I miss Rondo

[sed522002]

The teams offense is still below average with Rondo running the point. The offense has been bad for like the past 4 years. Rondo gets a lot of assists, but the offense still consistently stinks.

Yep, but in the Playoffs when you have those offensive lulls you need a person that's going to step up and be that player. We know PP and KG can, but who else? That's going to be the question for this series.

[sed522002]

People don't get this.

Had Rondo played today... the game would have been different, but not necessarily better. 

Our lineup and our playing style would have to be completely adjusted to tailor Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses.

Sure maybe Rondo gets you 11 assists and less turnovers... but would Jeff Green drop an efficient 26 points, 7 boards and 3 blocks?... probably not, since Green needs the ball to be effective and Rondo requires the ball 24/7. 

Would we have limited JR Smith as well as we did... would we continue to start Bradley?... would the Knicks take advantage of a size mismatch if Bradley was playing SG?   Would we have shot a perfect 19/19 from the line?.. 

We don't know...  We know that we were in the middle of a 6 game losing streak when Rondo went out and played brilliantly once he was gone, we know that we have zero evidence that Green and Rondo can be effective at the same time, we don't know yet if Rondo can be effective in a free-flowing ball-sharing offense or if his lack of shooting ability would be a liability.

The game would have been different.  The score would have been different.  We don't know if we would have won, though. 


Anyways... we'll probably sweep the next 4 so I wouldn't stress it.

Well they went on a little losing streak last month so..the playoffs is different and if you can't execute in the half-court you're sorely SCREWED.

Anyways... we'll probably sweep the next 4 so I wouldn't stress it.

I can't even take that serious..lol

[bobbyv]

People don't get this.

Had Rondo played today... the game would have been different, but not necessarily better. 

Our lineup and our playing style would have to be completely adjusted to tailor Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses.

Sure maybe Rondo gets you 11 assists and less turnovers... but would Jeff Green drop an efficient 26 points, 7 boards and 3 blocks?... probably not, since Green needs the ball to be effective and Rondo requires the ball 24/7. 

Would we have limited JR Smith as well as we did... would we continue to start Bradley?... would the Knicks take advantage of a size mismatch if Bradley was playing SG?   Would we have shot a perfect 19/19 from the line?.. 

We don't know...  We know that we were in the middle of a 6 game losing streak when Rondo went out and played brilliantly once he was gone, we know that we have zero evidence that Green and Rondo can be effective at the same time, we don't know yet if Rondo can be effective in a free-flowing ball-sharing offense or if his lack of shooting ability would be a liability.

The game would have been different.  The score would have been different.  We don't know if we would have won, though. 


Anyways... we'll probably sweep the next 4 so I wouldn't stress it.

Has Rondo played with a healthy Green this season? I think not. Do we only score 8 points in the fourth quarter today with Rondo playing? I think not. Does Rondo at least make some plays in the 4th quarter like he did in last years playoffs? I think so. Do we have as many stupid turnovers with Rondo running the show? I seriously doubt it. Would we continue to start Bradley? Absolutely. Did Rondo's "lack of shooting" stop him from putting 44 on the Miami Heat last year, or breaking down defenses to average 17 points in the playoffs last year? No.

And a sweep? Please. We'll be lucky to steal the next game.

[kgainez]

this is so hilarious
one post-season game

but after winning 7 straight and going 16-7, we couldn't say we were better without him.

I'd like to see what this thread looks like if we win the next game, let alone the series.

I just think these type of assertions are premature.

[kgainez]

People don't get this.

Had Rondo played today... the game would have been different, but not necessarily better. 

Our lineup and our playing style would have to be completely adjusted to tailor Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses.

Sure maybe Rondo gets you 11 assists and less turnovers... but would Jeff Green drop an efficient 26 points, 7 boards and 3 blocks?... probably not, since Green needs the ball to be effective and Rondo requires the ball 24/7. 

Would we have limited JR Smith as well as we did... would we continue to start Bradley?... would the Knicks take advantage of a size mismatch if Bradley was playing SG?   Would we have shot a perfect 19/19 from the line?.. 

We don't know...  We know that we were in the middle of a 6 game losing streak when Rondo went out and played brilliantly once he was gone, we know that we have zero evidence that Green and Rondo can be effective at the same time (Green needs space... and Rondo without the ball doesn't help spread the floor), we don't know yet if Rondo can be effective in a free-flowing ball-sharing offense or if his lack of shooting ability would be a liability.

The game would have been different.  The score would have been different.  We don't know if we would have won, though. 


Anyways... we'll probably sweep the next 4 so I wouldn't stress it.

God I wish people would read stuff like this. Smh.

[sed522002]

this is so hilarious
one post-season game

but after winning 7 straight and going 16-7, we couldn't say we were better without him.

I'd like to see what this thread looks like if we win the next game, let alone the series.


I just think these type of assertions are premature.

I would LOVE for them to win the series (can't stomach NY winning) and they really could have won today,but that doesn't escape the fact that they miss Rondo and have for awhile now. The C's have been outright sloppy and inconsistent for awhile. The playoffs expose weaknesses and expect a lot more full court pressure because they know we have weaker ball handling.

[syfy9]

If Rondo is the best player on the C's, that means the C's lack talent and are in pretty bad shape. Rondo cannot/should not be the best player on any team that has title aspirations.

Well in the Miami series last yr if your name wasn't Lebron, he was the best in the ENTIRE series. Him and KG kept the team going.

Rondo had a great series against Miami. But if you notice in that series he was hitting his jumper at an insane clip. He was even draining multiple 3 point shots. If he played like that all the time he would be Chris Paul. But we all know Rondo cannot play like that all the time. Rondo is a limited player whose skill set is unique. In my opinion he does not have the offensive tools to be the best player on a title team. Rondo is best as a complimentary player.

With the way Rondo plays I don't think he wants to be "The Guy"..he can score off the dribble at will, but he's more content with making plays, IF he has to be a scorer he can be,I just think it's not in his mindset..sorta like Kg (who doesn't focus on scoring).

You don't have to be a score-first player to be "The Guy".

Yes you have to, and you know it

I don't, and Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, Isiah Thomas, and Walt Frazier have all been "The Guy" without a score first mentality. If we are talking "The Guy"s in general, then Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, John Stockton, KG, Mutombo, Gary Payton, and sooooo many others have been "The Guy" without their best trait being scoring. Their influence on passing/defense/other aspects of the game had just as much an impact as a more orthodox "The Guy".

[sed522002]

People don't get this.

Had Rondo played today... the game would have been different, but not necessarily better. 

Our lineup and our playing style would have to be completely adjusted to tailor Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses.

Sure maybe Rondo gets you 11 assists and less turnovers... but would Jeff Green drop an efficient 26 points, 7 boards and 3 blocks?... probably not, since Green needs the ball to be effective and Rondo requires the ball 24/7. 

Would we have limited JR Smith as well as we did... would we continue to start Bradley?... would the Knicks take advantage of a size mismatch if Bradley was playing SG?   Would we have shot a perfect 19/19 from the line?.. 

We don't know...  We know that we were in the middle of a 6 game losing streak when Rondo went out and played brilliantly once he was gone, we know that we have zero evidence that Green and Rondo can be effective at the same time (Green needs space... and Rondo without the ball doesn't help spread the floor), we don't know yet if Rondo can be effective in a free-flowing ball-sharing offense or if his lack of shooting ability would be a liability.

The game would have been different.  The score would have been different.  We don't know if we would have won, though. 


Anyways... we'll probably sweep the next 4 so I wouldn't stress it.

God I wish people would read stuff like this. Smh.

We read it, but no one can take away the fact that Rondo is one of,if not our best PLAYOFF player and we are in the playoffs...Plus I think a healthy Jeff Green and Rondo would be a very good combo.

[bobbyv]

People don't get this.

Had Rondo played today... the game would have been different, but not necessarily better. 

Our lineup and our playing style would have to be completely adjusted to tailor Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses.

Sure maybe Rondo gets you 11 assists and less turnovers... but would Jeff Green drop an efficient 26 points, 7 boards and 3 blocks?... probably not, since Green needs the ball to be effective and Rondo requires the ball 24/7. 

Would we have limited JR Smith as well as we did... would we continue to start Bradley?... would the Knicks take advantage of a size mismatch if Bradley was playing SG?   Would we have shot a perfect 19/19 from the line?.. 

We don't know...  We know that we were in the middle of a 6 game losing streak when Rondo went out and played brilliantly once he was gone, we know that we have zero evidence that Green and Rondo can be effective at the same time (Green needs space... and Rondo without the ball doesn't help spread the floor), we don't know yet if Rondo can be effective in a free-flowing ball-sharing offense or if his lack of shooting ability would be a liability.

The game would have been different.  The score would have been different.  We don't know if we would have won, though. 


Anyways... we'll probably sweep the next 4 so I wouldn't stress it.

God I wish people would read stuff like this. Smh.

I did read it. And I still think he's wrong. Well, maybe he got one thing right. We don't know for sure if we would have won. But I'd definitely like my chances better with Rondo.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

It is and has always been apparent. When they hire FIVE guys to replace you.....you were somebody...! Rondo can handle the pressure of the playoffs, no one EVER stole the ball from him..passes, usually guys dropped his pass, and blame him for the turnover......they cannot cover him, and his shot was always improving...so YES, we miss him.

[sed522002]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OjlCnDE58

Summary:
(Rondo talk around 5:05 mark)
-Rondo knew all the Knicks sets before they happened during walk through
-He studied the playoff book and he's not even playing..that tells you enough right there the type of player he is.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Beides, with rondo, Bradley would be totally free to only worry about defense and making layups....bringing the ball up and around is not as easy as Rondo makes it look.

[sed522002]

Beides, with rondo, Bradley would be totally free to only worry about defense and making layups....bringing the ball up and around is not as easy as Rondo makes it look.

Doc said in the video that he know they'll get pressured and they should. He also said that no one pressured Rondo and if they did, he was smart enough to get out of it and run their stuff.

[kgainez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OjlCnDE58

Summary:
(Rondo talk around 5:05 mark)
-Rondo knew all the Knicks sets before they happened during walk through
-He studied the playoff book and he's not even playing..that tells you enough right there the type of player he is.

I appreciate this, but what's to say no other player on the team has the same knowledge? and at the very least shouldn't the coach know? I'm just wondering...seems like regular stuff to kinda know. I wouldn't assume a pro goes into a game unknowingly.

[Celtics18]

I still think we can beat the Knicks without him, but, of course, the team misses the guy who has been one of the top ten playoff performers in the league over the course of the past four seasons.

That should go without saying.