Bench Terry

[Fafnir]

The entire season Terry has played much better at home than on the road, I don't expect him to have game where he makes a difference on the road.

He's had so few impact games in general I don't have any faith in him.

[crimson_stallion]

It's an utter disgrace that all of these people would bag out a guy who has been our 4th best player all season long, and has beem a winner his entire career.  Terry has earned a championship ring and he's hit enough big shots in his career to earn some respect.  To add to that he's been the only guy after PP, KG and JG to give us anything even resembling consistent offensive prodcution (he's the only other guy scoring in double figures over the season).   

Guys like Bass and Lee have been horrendous through the entire season bar maybe 10 games, yet still people give the respect and defend them.  Hell even Crawford (despite his histroy and ability to scare me every time he touches the ball) doesn't get the degree of disrespect on here that Terry gets.

Terry has always been a guy who performs in the clutch.  Like the regular season, he has been the only player outside of Green/Pierce/KG to give us any kind of solid production in these playoffs (ouside of game 1, where he struggled).  It would have broken my heart to see this team get swept in what may well be Pierce and KG's last seasons as Celtics, and it's largely thanks to Terry that they still have a chance to put up a fight and eiher come back and win, or at the very least keep their dignity and go down fighting.

To all of the people who have undeservedly hated on Terry all season, shame on you.

[Mr Green]

It's an utter disgrace that all of these people would bag out a guy who has been our 4th best player all season long, and has beem a winner his entire career.  Terry has earned a championship ring and he's hit enough big shots in his career to earn some respect.  To add to that he's been the only guy after PP, KG and JG to give us anything even resembling consistent offensive prodcution (he's the only other guy scoring in double figures over the season).   

Guys like Bass and Lee have been horrendous through the entire season bar maybe 10 games, yet still people give the respect and defend them.  Hell even Crawford (despite his histroy and ability to scare me every time he touches the ball) doesn't get the degree of disrespect on here that Terry gets.

Terry has always been a guy who performs in the clutch.  Like the regular season, he has been the only player outside of Green/Pierce/KG to give us any kind of solid production in these playoffs (ouside of game 1, where he struggled).  It would have broken my heart to see this team get swept in what may well be Pierce and KG's last seasons as Celtics, and it's largely thanks to Terry that they still have a chance to put up a fight and eiher come back and win, or at the very least keep their dignity and go down fighting.

To all of the people who have undeservedly hated on Terry all season, shame on you.

Word.

[The Rondo Show]

It's an utter disgrace that all of these people would bag out a guy who has been our 4th best player all season long, and has beem a winner his entire career.  Terry has earned a championship ring and he's hit enough big shots in his career to earn some respect.  To add to that he's been the only guy after PP, KG and JG to give us anything even resembling consistent offensive prodcution (he's the only other guy scoring in double figures over the season).   

Guys like Bass and Lee have been horrendous through the entire season bar maybe 10 games, yet still people give the respect and defend them.  Hell even Crawford (despite his histroy and ability to scare me every time he touches the ball) doesn't get the degree of disrespect on here that Terry gets.

Terry has always been a guy who performs in the clutch.  Like the regular season, he has been the only player outside of Green/Pierce/KG to give us any kind of solid production in these playoffs (ouside of game 1, where he struggled).  It would have broken my heart to see this team get swept in what may well be Pierce and KG's last seasons as Celtics, and it's largely thanks to Terry that they still have a chance to put up a fight and eiher come back and win, or at the very least keep their dignity and go down fighting.

To all of the people who have undeservedly hated on Terry all season, shame on you.

I can understand supporting him but it's absurd to deny the fact that he's terribly underperformed all season (his clutch numbers that you brought up are WAY down) and has been terrible for 3/4 of this series.

I like Jet but I'm taking into account the whole of 85 games

[kozlodoev]

The entire season Terry has played much better at home than on the road, I don't expect him to have game where he makes a difference on the road.

He's had so few impact games in general I don't have any faith in him.

This. Unless he single-handedly wins us this series, his contribution is pretty much too little, too late.

[crimson_stallion]

It's an utter disgrace that all of these people would bag out a guy who has been our 4th best player all season long, and has beem a winner his entire career.  Terry has earned a championship ring and he's hit enough big shots in his career to earn some respect.  To add to that he's been the only guy after PP, KG and JG to give us anything even resembling consistent offensive prodcution (he's the only other guy scoring in double figures over the season).   

Guys like Bass and Lee have been horrendous through the entire season bar maybe 10 games, yet still people give the respect and defend them.  Hell even Crawford (despite his histroy and ability to scare me every time he touches the ball) doesn't get the degree of disrespect on here that Terry gets.

Terry has always been a guy who performs in the clutch.  Like the regular season, he has been the only player outside of Green/Pierce/KG to give us any kind of solid production in these playoffs (ouside of game 1, where he struggled).  It would have broken my heart to see this team get swept in what may well be Pierce and KG's last seasons as Celtics, and it's largely thanks to Terry that they still have a chance to put up a fight and eiher come back and win, or at the very least keep their dignity and go down fighting.

To all of the people who have undeservedly hated on Terry all season, shame on you.

I can understand supporting him but it's absurd to deny the fact that he's terribly underperformed all season (his clutch numbers that you brought up are WAY down) and has been terrible for 3/4 of this series.

I like Jet but I'm taking into account the whole of 85 games

Terribly underperformed?

In his championchip season in Dallas he averated 18 points per 36 minutes as the team's second scoring option after Dirk. 

This year he averaged 13.5 points per 36 minutes as Boston's 4th scoring option after Pierce, KG and Green.  When Rondo was there Terry was 5th on that list. It's blatantly obvious that giving sombody THAT much of a reduced role in the offense is going to see their numbers drop significantly no matter who it is.

To put things into perspective Terry's FG% in his last three seasons in Dallas was:

43.8%
45.1%
43.0%

This season for boston he shot 43.4% - dead on par with what he averaged for three of his past 4 seasons.

Terry's 3PT% in his last three seasons in Dallas was:

36.5%
36.2%
37.8%

His average this season?  37.2% - again dead on par with what he's averaged his past four seasons.

Free throw percentage the last three seasons?

86.6%
85.0%
88.3%

This season - 87.0%, which once again is right on the money.

In fact both his 3PT% and FT% were actually the second highest mark of his past 4 seasons.

Everyone is complaining that he hasn't done here what he did in Dallas...he's done EXACTLY what he did in Dallas.  You couldn't possibly ASK for more consistency from season to season.  Statistically this season has pretty much been a mirror image of his seasons in Dallas.

The only areas he has dropped off are his Per minute scoring and assist production, and that's only because of his DRAMATICALLY reduced role in the offense here compared to in Dallas where he was (again) the #2 scoring option after Dirk.

Terry averaged 13 FGA per game in his championship season in Dallas.  This year he has averaged 8 FGA per game.  How could Celtics fans even begin to expect him to put up the type of pure numbers he did in Dallas? It's rediculous.

Terry has been a solid and dependable player for us all season long - he's provided exactly what anyone shold have expected given his role on this team, and yet all people have done is complain. 

We were bottom 10 in the league offensively, and Terry was our 4th best scorer.  I urge the Terry haters to actually think about that statistic for a second, and then tell me where they think our season would have gone if we DIDN'T have Terry on the team.  Just try to take 10 PPG off our already hideous scoring average and tell me we'd have even come close to making the playoffs.



 

[crimson_stallion]

and has been terrible for 3/4 of this series.

Umm...

In the last three games Terry has averaged:

* 14 points
* 3 assists
* 1 turnover
* 52% FG
* 44% 3PT
* 86% FT

Could you please:

1. Describe to me where in the world those numbers would be considered 'terrible'

2. Name me any player (aside from Melo, Felton, JR Smith, KG, Pierce, Green) who as put together better numbers than that in 3/4 games of this series.

Yes his first game was a stinker, but in the past three games he has been EASILLY our fourth best player - just like he has been throughout this entire season.

[Fafnir]

The problem with Terry is that we've tried giving him the ball to be more than a 4th/5th option and he hasn't been able to do it.

Hasn't been able to handle in the P&R, attack even weak defenders off the dribble, etc..

Mostly he's been a streaky catch and shoot guy with the occasionally really pretty transition pull up jumpshot.

Solid percentages but awful impact from Jet.

[kozlodoev]

The problem with Terry is that we've tried giving him the ball to be more than a 4th/5th option and he hasn't been able to do it.

Hasn't been able to handle in the P&R, attack even weak defenders off the dribble, etc..

Mostly he's been a streaky catch and shoot guy with the occasionally really pretty transition pull up jumpshot.

Solid percentages but awful impact from Jet.

For a player who was signed to hit the clutch shot, it has looked to me all season like he's missing the big ones more often than making them.

[The Rondo Show]

and has been terrible for 3/4 of this series.

Umm...

In the last three games Terry has averaged:

* 14 points
* 3 assists
* 1 turnover
* 52% FG
* 44% 3PT
* 86% FT

Could you please:

1. Describe to me where in the world those numbers would be considered 'terrible'

2. Name me any player (aside from Melo, Felton, JR Smith, KG, Pierce, Green) who as put together better numbers than that in 3/4 games of this series.

Yes his first game was a stinker, but in the past three games he has been EASILLY our fourth best player - just like he has been throughout this entire season.

Lol, stats do NOT tell the whole story. If you're honestly going to sit here and tell me that Terry has had an impact this series  other than yesterday you're absolutely kidding yourself.

[pearljammer10]

This is why we signed Terry, a game like this. He has been dissappointing to most all season, but, he just saved our season from ending.

[SHAQATTACK]

The entire season Terry has played much better at home than on the road, I don't expect him to have game where he makes a difference on the road.

He's had so few impact games in general I don't have any faith in him.

neither do I , but I still hold out hope

[crimson_stallion]

and has been terrible for 3/4 of this series.

Umm...

In the last three games Terry has averaged:

* 14 points
* 3 assists
* 1 turnover
* 52% FG
* 44% 3PT
* 86% FT

Could you please:

1. Describe to me where in the world those numbers would be considered 'terrible'

2. Name me any player (aside from Melo, Felton, JR Smith, KG, Pierce, Green) who as put together better numbers than that in 3/4 games of this series.

Yes his first game was a stinker, but in the past three games he has been EASILLY our fourth best player - just like he has been throughout this entire season.

Lol, stats do NOT tell the whole story. If you're honestly going to sit here and tell me that Terry has had an impact this series  other than yesterday you're absolutely kidding yourself.

Actually, they do.

You see, at the end of the game two things determine a win and a loss - the number of points scored and the number of points allowed. As fancy as all the stats get, at the end of the day the team that scores the most points wins.

Game 1 - Terry was scoreless. Offensively, he gave the team no boost. However, our he also handled the ball well and only had a single turnover the entire game, meaning the opposition only had the potential to score 2 points off Terry's turnovers.  This was in a game where our three primary playmakers (Pierce, AB, Green) had 16 turnovers between them - that's 32 potential opponent points from those turnovers, and those turnovers cost us the game. Terry only played 20 minutes in a game where we could have greatly benefitted from having a guy who could make sonud decisions with the ball and run the offense without turning it over.  This game came down to the wire and if we gave Terry some extra minutes at the Point (instead of forcing the matter with AB, Green and Pierce) the turnover count would have likely been half what it was, and we probably win the game.

Game 2 - The problem here was simple.  Another close game, we were leading for 3/4 of the game an then lost it in the final quarter.  Problem?  We just didn't score enough points.   We had a defiantely chance to win this game, but without the 9 points from Terry (given how low scoring the game was) we probably would have been blown out.

Game 3- Terry was again one of our biggest producers on offense.  We got blown out in this game...did Terry's 14 points made the the difference between a win and a loss?  No, but that's not because of his output being insufficient...it's because the rest of the team (outside of Pierce / KG / Green / Terry) did NOTHING on offense.  That blame is not on Jet, who scored more points (at a higher percentage) than Bradley, Bass, Lee, Crawford and Williams combined...while also not commiting a single turnover.

Game 4 - Don't even need to mention this one, because Terry clearly won this game for us.
 
Basically what you guys are trying argue is that Terry has been useless because he's only given us what he's supposed to give us.  Terry isn't Rondo - he's not going to give us a 30 point, 15 rebound, 15 assist game.  He's not Green either, he's not going to score 40.  He's not there to do that.  He's there to give us solid double figure production, make sound decisions with the ball, and hit the occasional big shot when needed...he's done just that.

[BballTim]

and has been terrible for 3/4 of this series.

Umm...

In the last three games Terry has averaged:

* 14 points
* 3 assists
* 1 turnover
* 52% FG
* 44% 3PT
* 86% FT

Could you please:

1. Describe to me where in the world those numbers would be considered 'terrible'

2. Name me any player (aside from Melo, Felton, JR Smith, KG, Pierce, Green) who as put together better numbers than that in 3/4 games of this series.

Yes his first game was a stinker, but in the past three games he has been EASILLY our fourth best player - just like he has been throughout this entire season.

Lol, stats do NOT tell the whole story. If you're honestly going to sit here and tell me that Terry has had an impact this series  other than yesterday you're absolutely kidding yourself.

Actually, they do.

You see, at the end of the game two things determine a win and a loss - the number of points scored and the number of points allowed. As fancy as all the stats get, at the end of the day the team that scores the most points wins.

Game 1 - Terry was scoreless. Offensively, he gave the team no boost. However, our he also handled the ball well and only had a single turnover the entire game, meaning the opposition only had the potential to score 2 points off Terry's turnovers.  This was in a game where our three primary playmakers (Pierce, AB, Green) had 16 turnovers between them - that's 32 potential opponent points from those turnovers, and those turnovers cost us the game. Terry only played 20 minutes in a game where we could have greatly benefitted from having a guy who could make sonud decisions with the ball and run the offense without turning it over.  This game came down to the wire and if we gave Terry some extra minutes at the Point (instead of forcing the matter with AB, Green and Pierce) the turnover count would have likely been half what it was, and we probably win the game.

  It seems like quite a jump to say that the fact that Terry didn't turn the ball over when he wasn't running the offense means that he wouldn't turn the ball over if he had been running the offense. Creating on offense hasn't really been his strong suit this year.

[krook]

and has been terrible for 3/4 of this series.

Umm...

In the last three games Terry has averaged:

* 14 points
* 3 assists
* 1 turnover
* 52% FG
* 44% 3PT
* 86% FT

Could you please:

1. Describe to me where in the world those numbers would be considered 'terrible'

2. Name me any player (aside from Melo, Felton, JR Smith, KG, Pierce, Green) who as put together better numbers than that in 3/4 games of this series.

Yes his first game was a stinker, but in the past three games he has been EASILLY our fourth best player - just like he has been throughout this entire season.

Lol, stats do NOT tell the whole story. If you're honestly going to sit here and tell me that Terry has had an impact this series  other than yesterday you're absolutely kidding yourself.

Actually, they do.

You see, at the end of the game two things determine a win and a loss - the number of points scored and the number of points allowed. As fancy as all the stats get, at the end of the day the team that scores the most points wins.

Game 1 - Terry was scoreless. Offensively, he gave the team no boost. However, our he also handled the ball well and only had a single turnover the entire game, meaning the opposition only had the potential to score 2 points off Terry's turnovers.  This was in a game where our three primary playmakers (Pierce, AB, Green) had 16 turnovers between them - that's 32 potential opponent points from those turnovers, and those turnovers cost us the game. Terry only played 20 minutes in a game where we could have greatly benefitted from having a guy who could make sonud decisions with the ball and run the offense without turning it over.  This game came down to the wire and if we gave Terry some extra minutes at the Point (instead of forcing the matter with AB, Green and Pierce) the turnover count would have likely been half what it was, and we probably win the game.

  It seems like quite a jump to say that the fact that Terry didn't turn the ball over when he wasn't running the offense means that he wouldn't turn the ball over if he had been running the offense. Creating on offense hasn't really been his strong suit this year.

terry and bradley made shots because t-will is a good ball handler