Monta Ellis

[CelticsFan9]

Fourth in the league in steals. Clutch.

I don't really care about his steals.  He's still a bad defender.  That shouldn't be the case with his quickness and athleticism, but it is. 

He's not clutch, either.  In fact, he shoots almost the same percentage in clutch situations as he does overall.  He's a better three-point shooter and turns the ball over less in crunch time, but he counters that by becoming a black hole who never passes (13 assists in 164 minutes).  Certainly undeserving of the clutch label. 

He is an inefficient combo guard who dominates the ball and doesn't play defense.  It's hard to fit that kind of player into a winning basketball team.  If he could be coerced into guarding somebody then I think he could really help a team (Orlando comes immediately to mind as a team that could benefit from a scoring PG).  But as it is, he's too limited and too undisciplined.

Yeah Jordan Crawford type that got the minutes to put up the raw stats.

Is this an insult to Jordan "God"ford? 

If Crawford played as many minutes as Ellis, he'd be pretty much the same player.

That's an insult to Monta, imo. Monta can (and should) be an All-Star, Crawford is nowhere near that.

Just because Ellis puts up nice numbers doesn't mean he's an All Star.  Plus, his teams usually don't accomplish much.  The only reason his team is in the playoffs is because Wall was injured/Bynum is injured.

Look at GS, too.  When he left they improved.  Curry was finally free.

He's a volume shooter that plays one end.  He's a ball stopper that kills teams.

He's the guard version of Carmelo Anthony from two years ago.

[Atzar]

If Crawford played as many minutes as Ellis, he'd be pretty much the same player.

That's an insult to Monta, imo. Monta can (and should) be an All-Star, Crawford is nowhere near that.

Why should Monta be an All-Star?  All-Stars should actually help their team win. 

[CelticConcourse]

If Crawford played as many minutes as Ellis, he'd be pretty much the same player.

That's an insult to Monta, imo. Monta can (and should) be an All-Star, Crawford is nowhere near that.

Why should Monta be an All-Star?  All-Stars should actually help their team win.

Well, the Bucks already jumped at least 6 wins from last season (6 wins is quite a bit)

Didn't he also lead the Warriors in points during the We Believe run? And he has alawys been surrounded by junk...

[CelticsFan9]

If Crawford played as many minutes as Ellis, he'd be pretty much the same player.

That's an insult to Monta, imo. Monta can (and should) be an All-Star, Crawford is nowhere near that.

Why should Monta be an All-Star?  All-Stars should actually help their team win.

Well, the Bucks already jumped at least 6 wins from last season (6 wins is quite a bit)

Didn't he also lead the Warriors in points during the We Believe run?

Sanders' development has been the bigger reason for their success, plus the injuries I mentioned are the only reason they're in the playoffs.

And no, he didn't lead that team in points.

[CelticConcourse]

Could y'all give me an example of when Monta Ellis "killed" his contending team from winning it all? He needs to get on a good team fast... time's running out for him! Deserves at least one All-Star game though.

[CelticsFan9]

Could y'all give me an example of when Monta Ellis "killed" his contending team from winning it all? He needs to get on a good team fast... time's running out for him! Deserves at least one All-Star game though.

GS.  When he left, Thompson broke out, and Curry became the guy.  Look at them this year; they're pretty [dang] good.

Good players (All Stars) make their trashy teams better.  Ellis hasn't done that.

[CelticConcourse]

Then why did Jrue get put in over Monta?

[CelticConcourse]

Then why did Jrue get put in over Monta?

Kyrie too, I suppose.

John Wall should get in

[CelticsFan9]

Then why did Jrue get put in over Monta?

A) he's better

B) take Jrue off Philly and they win 10 games all year; take Ellis off Milwaukee and they lose maybe 5 wins at most.

[CelticConcourse]

Then why did Jrue get put in over Monta?

A) he's better

B) take Jrue off Philly and they win 10 games all year; take Ellis off Milwaukee and they lose maybe 5 wins at most.

This is leaving off a guy who's averaged 20.8 points per game for the past seven seasons... something doesn't seem right here 

[Atzar]

Then why did Jrue get put in over Monta?

Kyrie too, I suppose.

John Wall should get in

Wall has played well for one month. 

Irving scores 23 points per game, and his percentages are much better than Monta's all the way across the board.  He deserved to be an All-Star.

Holiday is more efficient both from three and overall, and is also a better passer.  For the record, I don't even think Holiday should have been an All-Star, but Deron Williams hadn't returned to form yet so he kind of got in by default.  I'd still take Jrue over Monta, though. 

[CelticsFan9]

Then why did Jrue get put in over Monta?

A) he's better

B) take Jrue off Philly and they win 10 games all year; take Ellis off Milwaukee and they lose maybe 5 wins at most.

This is leaving off a guy who's averaged 20.8 points per game for the past seven seasons... something doesn't seem right here 

Just because you score 20 a game doesn't mean you're an All Star.

[Atzar]

Then why did Jrue get put in over Monta?

A) he's better

B) take Jrue off Philly and they win 10 games all year; take Ellis off Milwaukee and they lose maybe 5 wins at most.

This is leaving off a guy who's averaged 20.8 points per game for the past seven seasons... something doesn't seem right here 

Starting to think you aren't even listening.

PPG doesn't mean much when it's just a result of taking a crapload of shots; it just means you shoot a lot.  Couple that with his horrid defense (never had a defensive rating under 105 in his career) and he's undeserving of the label 'All-Star'.   

[CelticConcourse]

Wall has played well for one month.   

Man, the Wizards are a playoff team with John Wall in the lineup for the whole year! Have you seen their record with Wall? They've been wooping teams all around. They probably could've got the fourth seed tbh.

I bet if Monta was paired with a real team, not junky Milwaukee, he would be leading his team to and through the playoffs too...

[Atzar]

Wall has played well for one month.   

Man, the Wizards are a playoff team with John Wall in the lineup for the whole year! Have you seen their record with Wall? They've been wooping teams all around. They probably could've got the fourth seed tbh.

But they aren't, because he's only played well for a month.  I'm actually a fan of John Wall.  I believe he'll continue to develop, I believe Washington has turned the page as a franchise and they'll start to make playoff appearances soon.  But repeat:  he's played well for a month, so he's not an All-Star.

I bet if Monta was paired with a real team, not junky Milwaukee, he would be leading his team to and through the playoffs too...

You've apparently ignored everything I've said, so I'm just going to agree to disagree at this point.