Why didn't Randolph play?

[Chief]

Doc has been playing Randolph for 12-15 mins per game for the last 10 or so games.

Shav has clearly made it into Doc's rotation at this point and now he is trying to get Shav to learn how to stay on the floor so he isn't a liability and both knocking himself out of games and also putting the C's in the penalty sending a team like the Heat to the foul line far too quickly.

Doc's used this approach before, telling guys if they don't do a certain thing he is going to bench them. He is trying to get through to Shav somehow before the playoffs start so he can actually be serviceable. I don't know if its going to work, but something needs to change for Shav. Yes he is getting "rookie fouls", but that isn't going to change so Shav needs to learn how to work around it.

He made a point to Shav, that if he doesn't manage to get himself under control in terms of fouling he is going to find himself on the bench permanently and also gave Wilcox an extended run.

I have no problem with it. Randolph needs to adjust his game if he wants to stay on the court. Maybe this gets through to him.

I hope that is Doc's strategy. But I've seen stranger things from Doc. He prefers playing small. Bass at center does not bother him. I think Randoph's great play was something he did not expect. Almost did not know what to do with his rotations because of it.

Doc is too loyal sometimes. He might have been just looking for an excuse. Maybe always intended Wilcox to be the guy.

I see this being the playoff rotations:

Bradley
Pierce
Green
Bass
Kg

Terry
Crawford
Lee
Wilcox

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Doc has been playing Randolph for 12-15 mins per game for the last 10 or so games.

Shav has clearly made it into Doc's rotation at this point and now he is trying to get Shav to learn how to stay on the floor so he isn't a liability and both knocking himself out of games and also putting the C's in the penalty sending a team like the Heat to the foul line far too quickly.

Doc's used this approach before, telling guys if they don't do a certain thing he is going to bench them. He is trying to get through to Shav somehow before the playoffs start so he can actually be serviceable. I don't know if its going to work, but something needs to change for Shav. Yes he is getting "rookie fouls", but that isn't going to change so Shav needs to learn how to work around it.

He made a point to Shav, that if he doesn't manage to get himself under control in terms of fouling he is going to find himself on the bench permanently and also gave Wilcox an extended run.

I have no problem with it. Randolph needs to adjust his game if he wants to stay on the court. Maybe this gets through to him.

I hope that is Doc's strategy. But I've seen stranger things from Doc. He prefers playing small. Bass at center does not bother him. I think Randoph's great play was something he did not expect. Almost did not know what to do with his rotations because of it.

Doc is too loyal sometimes. He might have been just looking for an excuse. Maybe always intended Wilcox to be the guy.

I see this being the playoff rotations:

Bradley
Pierce
Green
Bass
Kg

Terry
Crawford
Lee
Wilcox

yep the hell with shav even though he can score down low some an rebound. we definitely do not need anything like that. we only want jumpshooters.

[feckless]

I think it is match-ups...Wilcox is too small to guard big centers and Shav has trouble with combo centers.  Shav is the better rebounder, Wilcox is quicker up and down the floor and on rotations...both need to be ready depending on the opponent.

[saltlover]

Because we don't need him 

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight     

32 point win. That's all there is to say.

For real.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Because we don't need him 

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight     

32 point win. That's all there is to say.

ahh yes another results example instead of a PROCESS example. so he did not need any time? yet we needed KG in this win? we will not need him in the playoffs? drink up shriners!!!!!!!!!

[connor]

Doc has been playing Randolph for 12-15 mins per game for the last 10 or so games.

Shav has clearly made it into Doc's rotation at this point and now he is trying to get Shav to learn how to stay on the floor so he isn't a liability and both knocking himself out of games and also putting the C's in the penalty sending a team like the Heat to the foul line far too quickly.

Doc's used this approach before, telling guys if they don't do a certain thing he is going to bench them. He is trying to get through to Shav somehow before the playoffs start so he can actually be serviceable. I don't know if its going to work, but something needs to change for Shav. Yes he is getting "rookie fouls", but that isn't going to change so Shav needs to learn how to work around it.

He made a point to Shav, that if he doesn't manage to get himself under control in terms of fouling he is going to find himself on the bench permanently and also gave Wilcox an extended run.

I have no problem with it. Randolph needs to adjust his game if he wants to stay on the court. Maybe this gets through to him.

I hope that is Doc's strategy. But I've seen stranger things from Doc. He prefers playing small. Bass at center does not bother him. I think Randoph's great play was something he did not expect. Almost did not know what to do with his rotations because of it.

Doc is too loyal sometimes. He might have been just looking for an excuse. Maybe always intended Wilcox to be the guy.

I see this being the playoff rotations:

Bradley
Pierce
Green
Bass
Kg

Terry
Crawford
Lee
Wilcox

yep the hell with shav even though he can score down low some an rebound. we definitely do not need anything like that. we only want jumpshooters.

I don't think Doc prefers playing small or is biased towards playing small, but thats just what our roster allows him to do. Shav has been a very pleasant surprise, but he has some serious limitations especially on the defensive end, which I think reduces the contributions he makes on the glass and the offensive end.

I'm not trying to defend Bass playing center, it doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see a guy like Shav or Wilcox get a chance to see some of those minutes and potentially figure things out so that they are more productive.

But I will say that I don't think Doc was looking for an excuse to go to Wilcox. I think Wilcox and Bass have both stepped up their game (which may be due in part to Shav showing he can eat into their minutes) and both guys played outstanding out there last night.

Shav has been getting his minutes, 12-15 per game, which I think is actually a really great for a scrap heap China pick up, especially given Doc's tight rotations. Shav obviously did something to earn Doc's ire (or was struggling with some ailment) considering he was geting some really solid minutes.

Its crazy to get so upset about Shav not ending up on the court when he has been getting plenty of time recently, we won by a huge margin and the guys who were in there instead had great outings.

[saltlover]

Because we don't need him 

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight     

32 point win. That's all there is to say.

ahh yes another results example instead of a PROCESS example. so he did not need any time? yet we needed KG in this win? we will not need him in the playoffs? drink up shriners!!!!!!!!!

Or we could enjoy a nice win, instead of complaining that some guy who few of us remembered existed prior to February couldn't find the floor because Doc's "process" had him sitting for some infraction, which is not going to be well-publicized because that's also part of the process (you don't get to play, but he doesn't do much public humiliation like some coaches.)

[Chief]

Doc has been playing Randolph for 12-15 mins per game for the last 10 or so games.

Shav has clearly made it into Doc's rotation at this point and now he is trying to get Shav to learn how to stay on the floor so he isn't a liability and both knocking himself out of games and also putting the C's in the penalty sending a team like the Heat to the foul line far too quickly.

Doc's used this approach before, telling guys if they don't do a certain thing he is going to bench them. He is trying to get through to Shav somehow before the playoffs start so he can actually be serviceable. I don't know if its going to work, but something needs to change for Shav. Yes he is getting "rookie fouls", but that isn't going to change so Shav needs to learn how to work around it.

He made a point to Shav, that if he doesn't manage to get himself under control in terms of fouling he is going to find himself on the bench permanently and also gave Wilcox an extended run.

I have no problem with it. Randolph needs to adjust his game if he wants to stay on the court. Maybe this gets through to him.

I hope that is Doc's strategy. But I've seen stranger things from Doc. He prefers playing small. Bass at center does not bother him. I think Randoph's great play was something he did not expect. Almost did not know what to do with his rotations because of it.

Doc is too loyal sometimes. He might have been just looking for an excuse. Maybe always intended Wilcox to be the guy.

I see this being the playoff rotations:

Bradley
Pierce
Green
Bass
Kg

Terry
Crawford
Lee
Wilcox

yep the hell with shav even though he can score down low some an rebound. we definitely do not need anything like that. we only want jumpshooters.

I don't think Doc prefers playing small or is biased towards playing small, but thats just what our roster allows him to do. Shav has been a very pleasant surprise, but he has some serious limitations especially on the defensive end, which I think reduces the contributions he makes on the glass and the offensive end.

I'm not trying to defend Bass playing center, it doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see a guy like Shav or Wilcox get a chance to see some of those minutes and potentially figure things out so that they are more productive.

But I will say that I don't think Doc was looking for an excuse to go to Wilcox. I think Wilcox and Bass have both stepped up their game (which may be due in part to Shav showing he can eat into their minutes) and both guys played outstanding out there last night.

Shav has been getting his minutes, 12-15 per game, which I think is actually a really great for a scrap heap China pick up, especially given Doc's tight rotations. Shav obviously did something to earn Doc's ire (or was struggling with some ailment) considering he was geting some really solid minutes.

Its crazy to get so upset about Shav not ending up on the court when he has been getting plenty of time recently, we won by a huge margin and the guys who were in there instead had great outings.

If the same thing didn't happen to Steamer, I wouldn't worry.

Honestly, as long as the Celtics win, I could care less who plays. But when the team plays .500 at best, when they go small, I think staying big is worth a shot.

[LarBrd33]

never heard of em

[connor]

Doc has been playing Randolph for 12-15 mins per game for the last 10 or so games.

Shav has clearly made it into Doc's rotation at this point and now he is trying to get Shav to learn how to stay on the floor so he isn't a liability and both knocking himself out of games and also putting the C's in the penalty sending a team like the Heat to the foul line far too quickly.

Doc's used this approach before, telling guys if they don't do a certain thing he is going to bench them. He is trying to get through to Shav somehow before the playoffs start so he can actually be serviceable. I don't know if its going to work, but something needs to change for Shav. Yes he is getting "rookie fouls", but that isn't going to change so Shav needs to learn how to work around it.

He made a point to Shav, that if he doesn't manage to get himself under control in terms of fouling he is going to find himself on the bench permanently and also gave Wilcox an extended run.

I have no problem with it. Randolph needs to adjust his game if he wants to stay on the court. Maybe this gets through to him.

I hope that is Doc's strategy. But I've seen stranger things from Doc. He prefers playing small. Bass at center does not bother him. I think Randoph's great play was something he did not expect. Almost did not know what to do with his rotations because of it.

Doc is too loyal sometimes. He might have been just looking for an excuse. Maybe always intended Wilcox to be the guy.

I see this being the playoff rotations:

Bradley
Pierce
Green
Bass
Kg

Terry
Crawford
Lee
Wilcox

yep the hell with shav even though he can score down low some an rebound. we definitely do not need anything like that. we only want jumpshooters.

I don't think Doc prefers playing small or is biased towards playing small, but thats just what our roster allows him to do. Shav has been a very pleasant surprise, but he has some serious limitations especially on the defensive end, which I think reduces the contributions he makes on the glass and the offensive end.

I'm not trying to defend Bass playing center, it doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see a guy like Shav or Wilcox get a chance to see some of those minutes and potentially figure things out so that they are more productive.

But I will say that I don't think Doc was looking for an excuse to go to Wilcox. I think Wilcox and Bass have both stepped up their game (which may be due in part to Shav showing he can eat into their minutes) and both guys played outstanding out there last night.

Shav has been getting his minutes, 12-15 per game, which I think is actually a really great for a scrap heap China pick up, especially given Doc's tight rotations. Shav obviously did something to earn Doc's ire (or was struggling with some ailment) considering he was geting some really solid minutes.

Its crazy to get so upset about Shav not ending up on the court when he has been getting plenty of time recently, we won by a huge margin and the guys who were in there instead had great outings.

If the same thing didn't happen to Steamer, I wouldn't worry.

Honestly, as long as the Celtics win, I could care less who plays. But when the team plays .500 at best, when they go small, I think staying big is worth a shot.

Steamer was similarly affected by his inability to keep his fouls down as well as Doc's tightened rotations in the playoffs. If Randolph can find a way to play better defense without getting called for a foul every trip down (and avoid some of those rookie calls) then he will be able to stay in the rotation. Otherwise he has to sit. This team needs its defense to be outstanding to be able to win and sending the other team to the line because we can't stay under the limit bails them out and negates all the hard work the rest of the team puts in.

I think Randolph can really help in 10-15 mins a game (what he has been getting more recently), but against better teams that attack the hoop like the Knicks and Heat he becomes a liability due to the fouls. Wilcox has a similar problem, but gets less rookie calls so its really a catch 22 for our back up bigs.

At the end of the day this Celtics team is basically a .500 team anyway. We have the ability to go on some runs, but in general we are a .500 team. This team IS SMALL. We can't go big. We can't run Randolph out there for starter minutes, not in the playoffs. He can add value with the time he has been allotted, but he needs to get his play under control. Thats the point Doc is trying to get across to him.

[saltlover]

Doc has been playing Randolph for 12-15 mins per game for the last 10 or so games.

Shav has clearly made it into Doc's rotation at this point and now he is trying to get Shav to learn how to stay on the floor so he isn't a liability and both knocking himself out of games and also putting the C's in the penalty sending a team like the Heat to the foul line far too quickly.

Doc's used this approach before, telling guys if they don't do a certain thing he is going to bench them. He is trying to get through to Shav somehow before the playoffs start so he can actually be serviceable. I don't know if its going to work, but something needs to change for Shav. Yes he is getting "rookie fouls", but that isn't going to change so Shav needs to learn how to work around it.

He made a point to Shav, that if he doesn't manage to get himself under control in terms of fouling he is going to find himself on the bench permanently and also gave Wilcox an extended run.

I have no problem with it. Randolph needs to adjust his game if he wants to stay on the court. Maybe this gets through to him.

I hope that is Doc's strategy. But I've seen stranger things from Doc. He prefers playing small. Bass at center does not bother him. I think Randoph's great play was something he did not expect. Almost did not know what to do with his rotations because of it.

Doc is too loyal sometimes. He might have been just looking for an excuse. Maybe always intended Wilcox to be the guy.

I see this being the playoff rotations:

Bradley
Pierce
Green
Bass
Kg

Terry
Crawford
Lee
Wilcox

yep the hell with shav even though he can score down low some an rebound. we definitely do not need anything like that. we only want jumpshooters.

I don't think Doc prefers playing small or is biased towards playing small, but thats just what our roster allows him to do. Shav has been a very pleasant surprise, but he has some serious limitations especially on the defensive end, which I think reduces the contributions he makes on the glass and the offensive end.

I'm not trying to defend Bass playing center, it doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see a guy like Shav or Wilcox get a chance to see some of those minutes and potentially figure things out so that they are more productive.

But I will say that I don't think Doc was looking for an excuse to go to Wilcox. I think Wilcox and Bass have both stepped up their game (which may be due in part to Shav showing he can eat into their minutes) and both guys played outstanding out there last night.

Shav has been getting his minutes, 12-15 per game, which I think is actually a really great for a scrap heap China pick up, especially given Doc's tight rotations. Shav obviously did something to earn Doc's ire (or was struggling with some ailment) considering he was geting some really solid minutes.

Its crazy to get so upset about Shav not ending up on the court when he has been getting plenty of time recently, we won by a huge margin and the guys who were in there instead had great outings.

If the same thing didn't happen to Steamer, I wouldn't worry.

Honestly, as long as the Celtics win, I could care less who plays. But when the team plays .500 at best, when they go small, I think staying big is worth a shot.

The fact that he was injured had no impact on his playing time at all, I'm sure.