is Brandon Bass Worth 20 Million 3 Years?

[Celtics4ever]

He is an average starter PF but a darn fine off the bench big.   We have to use him as a starter sadly.

[PhoSita]

Bass is worth 6 million a year . . . if he's on a contender and he's a nice backup PF or in a starting lineup surrounded by talented players who can create their own shot as well as easy looks for him.

On a rebuilding team like the Celtics?  He's worth 4 million or less, but the truth is he really doesn't have a place, except perhaps as a veteran leader on the floor and in the locker room (he seems to have good work ethic and a nice attitude).

The Celtics are not a rebuilding team. They could be at some point in the near future, but they're not there yet.

I look at the roster and I see the vast majority of players under 28.  Only a handful of players currently in the rotation were in the rotation this time last year.  A good number of them weren't on the team to start the season.  Three of them couldn't get a job on an NBA team before the season started.

The team will be lucky to finish the season over .500.  They are pretty much a lock to lose in the first round.  The best players on the team are 35 and 36 years old respectively, at the tail end of their careers.

If this team isn't rebuilding, then what are they? They certainly don't have a long term competitive core in place.  And they're certainly not a contender right now.

[BballTim]

Bass is worth 6 million a year . . . if he's on a contender and he's a nice backup PF or in a starting lineup surrounded by talented players who can create their own shot as well as easy looks for him.

On a rebuilding team like the Celtics?  He's worth 4 million or less, but the truth is he really doesn't have a place, except perhaps as a veteran leader on the floor and in the locker room (he seems to have good work ethic and a nice attitude).

The Celtics are not a rebuilding team. They could be at some point in the near future, but they're not there yet.

I look at the roster and I see the vast majority of players under 28.  Only a handful of players currently in the rotation were in the rotation this time last year.  A good number of them weren't on the team to start the season.  Three of them couldn't get a job on an NBA team before the season started.

The team will be lucky to finish the season over .500.  They are pretty much a lock to lose in the first round.  The best players on the team are 35 and 36 years old respectively, at the tail end of their careers.

If this team isn't rebuilding, then what are they? They certainly don't have a long term competitive core in place.  And they're certainly not a contender right now.

  What you're describing is a mess, but it's fairly silly to label them a rebuilding team when they're clearly weren't rebuilding this season. And their best player is recovering from knee surgery and another of their top 5 (unless he regresses) is also out for the year. You'd be hard pressed to name a team that would be contenders in that situation.

[connor]

Bass is worth 6 million a year . . . if he's on a contender and he's a nice backup PF or in a starting lineup surrounded by talented players who can create their own shot as well as easy looks for him.

On a rebuilding team like the Celtics?  He's worth 4 million or less, but the truth is he really doesn't have a place, except perhaps as a veteran leader on the floor and in the locker room (he seems to have good work ethic and a nice attitude).

The Celtics are not a rebuilding team. They could be at some point in the near future, but they're not there yet.

I look at the roster and I see the vast majority of players under 28.  Only a handful of players currently in the rotation were in the rotation this time last year.  A good number of them weren't on the team to start the season.  Three of them couldn't get a job on an NBA team before the season started.

The team will be lucky to finish the season over .500.  They are pretty much a lock to lose in the first round.  The best players on the team are 35 and 36 years old respectively, at the tail end of their careers.

If this team isn't rebuilding, then what are they? They certainly don't have a long term competitive core in place.  And they're certainly not a contender right now.

  What you're describing is a mess, but it's fairly silly to label them a rebuilding team when they're clearly weren't rebuilding this season. And their best player is recovering from knee surgery and another of their top 5 (unless he regresses) is also out for the year. You'd be hard pressed to name a team that would be contenders in that situation.

This team isn't rebuilding. The only reason we are where we are in the standings and not a scary playoff team is because of injuries. 

I think its hard to identify them as a rebuilding team when they are carrying 27 million in two really good vets and when they have their full complement of players are a team that no one wants to face in the playoffs, meaning they have the potential to surprise people. I think if Rondo was here and Sully still playing strong we would be a nightmare for any team (including the Heat) in the playoffs.

We are probably not in that top level of contenders, but we certainly could pull off some big upsets and not have it considered a miracle.

Yes we have a a young team, but we clearly tried to reload around our big 3 to make a run this season, thats not rebuilding. Once one of Pierce or KG leave, thats when the real rebuild starts.

[Clench123]

No

[The Rondo Show]

I like Bass, but it makes me sick he's getting that much when we could have gotten really efficient minutes from Birdman for way way lesss

[CelticConcourse]

He's a solid bench big man that can stretch the floor and guard centers and power forwards.
He's pretty reliable and there are plenty of teams that will pay 5-7 million for him.
He works hard and is effective in the playoffs. I think he actually gets more motivated for the playoffs because the veterans on the team like him get motivated. He's the kind of guy that likes to be led and guided by guys like Pierce and KG.
Watch his defense and rebounding step up come playoff time.

For a guy that is:
*relatively injury free
*can hit that stretch jump shot and his free throws
*give you a guaranteed 10 points and 5 rebounds minimum a game
*play playoff starter caliber 1v1 and help defense

6-7 million is about market value- particularly after his season last year. Wouldn't surprise me if he was offered a few million more than that for some lower tier teams.
I think it's a good salary for trade value as well.

Also think about what other players getting his salary do.

Like this post a lot. TP

[Finkelskyhook]

In this NBA he absolutely is.

[Chief]

Is he worth the $? Probably. Should he be an NBA starter? On most nights, no.

[action781]

A lot of people here voicing their wish that he's not a starting PF.  If he's a top 30 PF, then he's a starting PF.  A lower quality one, yes, but still a starting PF.  He's like an Andre Miller.  One of the worst at his position for a starter, but still good enough to produce and not be a liability at the position.  People just appreciate Miller more as a player because he has a player on his team who is better than him at his position.

I think people's valuation of "worth" is misguided.  The market determines worth.  And if you look at the rest of the players who get paid his salary range (5 - 8million):  Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Zaza Pachulia, Kyle Korver, Lou Williams, Desagana Diop, Ramon Sessions, Rip Hamilton, Luke Walton, Kyrie Irving*, Brendan Haywood, Wilson Chandler, Andre Miller, Jason Maxiell, Jarrett Jack...

Those were just the first 10 teams alphabetically.  Kyrie shouldn't count because he's on a rookie deal which is not determined by the market.  If you're saying Bass isn't worth that, then you're saying he isn't of the caliber of the rest of those players.  If you want to say that none of those players are worth that price (which I suspect), then you don't understand "worth".

[Who]

Bass is not a starter. He is too limited a defender + rebounder.

Bass is a well above average backup PF as an offensively orientated undersized four.

[CelticConcourse]

Bass is not a starter. He is too limited a defender + rebounder.

Bass is a well above average offensively orientated undersized backup PF.

Who just said Bass is a limited defender.

[action781]

Bass is not a starter. He is too limited a defender + rebounder.

Bass is a well above average backup PF as an offensively orientated undersized four.

I have to disagree.  He is just fine defensively for a PF, Doc even praised him last night for his recent defense.  Never have I been watching a game and said to myself, "Doc has to take Bass out here, Bass just can't guard that guy."  Bass is also maybe the only PF in the entire NBA not afraid to defend Lebron 1-1 on a switch and actually has defended him extremely effectively in those situations.

(By not afraid, I mean most PFs will either back off and give him the jumper or play up and give him the drive.  Even KG does this sometimes.  Bass doesn't give him the drive and plays close enough to contest a jumper - just like a good SF would play him.  And does it well too.)

[Galeto]

Bass is not competent defensively, not at all.  Such a notion is ridiculous. It starts with his complete inability to protect the basket.  Bigs have to be the back line of a defense whether by blocking and/or altering shots and by putting their bodies on the line by taking charges.  He doesn't do either.  At his size, I don't expect him to be a shotblocker but his unwillingness to step in and take a charge even when he's in poison is so frustrating. The guy is the most chiseled player on the Celtics but he may be the softest too.   Then there is the matter of his rebounding which is a big part of defense. He isn't just a bad rebounder, he is one of the absolute worst. 

Compare him Udonis Haslem for instance. His offense is mostly mid-range jumpers like Bass but his rebounding percentage of 17 percent is well above average compared to Bass' paltry 11 percent and he is one of the best in the league at taking charges.

[CelticConcourse]

Bass is not competent defensively, not at all.

From March 20-April 3 (9 games), Bass allowed a mere 0.684 points per play. Bass is eighth in the league on the NBA's opponent's points-per-play list at 0.761 points per play (very superb) and even kept the defense up when KG was out.

He isn't just a bad rebounder, he is one of the absolute worst.

His rebounding numbers were fantastic during that stretch too, and he can definitely keep it up. In the past 19 games, he's actually averging 6.4 rebounds per game (decent).

Galeto, you are simply underrating Brandon Bass's importance to the team. He does his role and he does it well. He's a consistent starter and badmouthing him doesn't take away from that. He's been one of our best players over the past 20 games and rounding into form for the playoffs. Even yesterday, he was a nice 6/7 and hit his jump shots.

I trust Bass and he's becoming the Bass of last year. He'll be one of the most important players on our team, if we get anywhere. We need his consistency, and he'll help exploit NY's lack-of-Amar'e.