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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 04:34:26 PM »

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Certainly an interesting target, but the Kyrie Irving fan in me hopes that the Cavs don't bite.

To me, the biggest problem with Green is that he's a Carmelo Anthony type scorer in that he needs the ball in order to score, but he's, ya know, not Carmelo Anthony. And it just doesn't work for a team that has high expectations. 

I don't think he works well with a ball dominant guard like Kyrie Irving (or Rondo for that matter)

  I don't think Green needs the ball in his hands any more than Pierce does, and Pierce has had plenty of success with Rondo. Right now Green's playing without (more or less) a point guard and he doesn't hold the ball close to as much as Melo.

But Pierce CAN score like Carmelo Anthony.

  I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.
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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2013, 04:38:15 PM »

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honestly business wise it makes more sense to trade next years a step slower paul pierce than jeff green

i'd personally look more towards, bass, terry and filler for a player upgrade

Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2013, 04:38:58 PM »

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Not trying to throw the topic off but I've never viewed Green as being ball dominant period.

Even during his scoring barrages he doesn't dominate the ball like others imo

I think the issue with Green is that he isn't a spot up shooter. He needs to be more involved in the play, in the build up. More movement. More cutting. More touches. Not standing around the perimeter while a ball-dominant star does his thing. I think that is the issue. Keeping him engaged offensively.

Personally, I would love to see Jeff Green in the Triangle offense. I think that would be perfect for him.

Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 07:06:38 PM »

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If the best we can do is Gortat or Haywood [as discussed in this thread], I think I am perfectly happy holding on to him. I could see something involving LA where we get back Gasol, but otherwise I am in no rush to get rid of Green. He is young, finally showing 'glimpses', and on a somewhat team-friendly contract.

Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2013, 07:25:10 PM »

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I'd do that Gortat + Dudley pick for Green + a filler right away.

I love Jeff and how he's playing the past week (outside of the last 2), but a proven Center and a SF for him is a fair enough trade for me.
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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2013, 07:29:33 PM »

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Not trying to throw the topic off but I've never viewed Green as being ball dominant period.

Even during his scoring barrages he doesn't dominate the ball like others imo

I agree with this.  I don't see him as a ball dominant scorer either.  That's why I think he'll fit very well with Rondo going forward. 

It goes without saying that to score the ball, you have to have it in your hands at some point, but I definitely see Jeff as more of a finisher than a creator.  I'd like to see him improve off the ball, and I think he will. 
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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2013, 07:59:02 PM »

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I'd recommend keeping him.

He's in the top-5 for NBA players with massive potentials. We won't see anyone like him, for a long long time if we trade him.

A long, long, long time.
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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2013, 08:31:02 PM »

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You dont trade a guy who dropped 43 against Miami, basically in 3 quarters too, especially not when he is just hitting his stride. This guy has real potential and can also play D on some of the best scorers in the game as well.

Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2013, 09:01:46 PM »

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I think it might be best for the team as a whole if Jeff Green has a very good end of year and playoffs and then the Celtics use Green's increased value(and maybe another player if necessary) to get a sign and traded player like Tiago Splitter or Paul Misap or Josh Smith or Nikola Pekovic or maybe a traded player like Pau Gasol or Emeka Okafor, you know, a big that can give you close to a double double, play good defense, and possibly be, if Gasol or Okafor, on a short contract.

I would gladly give up Green's possible future for a big that can be thrown into a frontcourt rotation and give the team the 10/10/1 they desperately need from the front in a one last ditch shot at a title before KG and Pierce retire. And, if you get a player like Okafor, then his salary comes off the books the same time as Pierce's and KG's and make it possible for a 2014 max free agent to be signed like Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Greg Monroe, Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins(though every player on this list would be ETO's or RFA's).
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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2013, 09:18:22 PM »

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Green is only 26 and can average 20 ppg when given starters minutes. Not to mention that next year, hopefully, will be his first full season in the NBA as a starting small forward (his natural position). Plus, he's signed to 8-9m per season for the next 4 seasons, which will be the prime of his career. I think that's great value and if we do trade him now it'll be selling low.

Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2013, 09:25:51 PM »

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I think it might be best for the team as a whole if Jeff Green has a very good end of year and playoffs and then the Celtics use Green's increased value(and maybe another player if necessary) to get a sign and traded player like Tiago Splitter or Paul Misap or Josh Smith or Nikola Pekovic or maybe a traded player like Pau Gasol or Emeka Okafor, you know, a big that can give you close to a double double, play good defense, and be on a short contract.

I would gladly give up Green's possible future for a big that can be thrown into a frontcourt rotation and give the team the 10/10/1 they desperately need from the front in a one last ditch at a title before KG and Pierce retire. And, if you get a player like Okafor, then his salary comes off the books the same time as Pierce's and KG's and make it possible for a 2014 max free agent to be signed like Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Greg Monroe, Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins(though every player on this list would be ETO's or RFA's).

I would gladly sacrifice heavy-money guys like Tiago Splitter, Paul Millsap, Josh "max" Smith and Nikola Pekovic. Each and every one of these guys will get $9mil/yr or more.

I also don't prefer the huge contracts of Emeka Okafor and Pau Gasol (what's next, Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson?).

Looking at those names, $9mil/yr looks totally fine by me and if KG/Pierce leave, I wouldn't mind a three-man core of Rondo/Jeff/MaxFA.

How could you want Jeff to leave? For potentially even-more-overpaid players? KEEP JEFF.
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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2013, 09:26:47 PM »

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I would gladly give up Green's possible future for a big that can be thrown into a frontcourt rotation and give the team the 10/10/1 they desperately need from the front in a one last ditch at a title before KG and Pierce retire.

The Houston Rockets have reportedly shopped Omer Asik (and Jeremy Lin) around to see what they can get, but they may be looking to traded one of those guys as part of a package for a max-level star-caliber player to go with Harden.
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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2013, 09:29:43 PM »

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I think it might be best for the team as a whole if Jeff Green has a very good end of year and playoffs and then the Celtics use Green's increased value(and maybe another player if necessary) to get a sign and traded player like Tiago Splitter or Paul Misap or Josh Smith or Nikola Pekovic or maybe a traded player like Pau Gasol or Emeka Okafor, you know, a big that can give you close to a double double, play good defense, and be on a short contract.

I would gladly give up Green's possible future for a big that can be thrown into a frontcourt rotation and give the team the 10/10/1 they desperately need from the front in a one last ditch at a title before KG and Pierce retire. And, if you get a player like Okafor, then his salary comes off the books the same time as Pierce's and KG's and make it possible for a 2014 max free agent to be signed like Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Greg Monroe, Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins(though every player on this list would be ETO's or RFA's).

Would rather give up AB. Never thought I'd say this. Green can defend LeB**** and is more of a sure thing offensively. As far as trying for title hopes in the near future, AB seems the most expendable. The Jet and Bass might as well be shed too.

Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2013, 09:50:11 PM »

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unless it is fofr a premier 7 foot center,  I can't really see giving up Green,  there is nobody that is obtainable that is any better.   Plus he is athletic enough to worry James.


Don't recommend trading him.   He and Sully compliment each others game.

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Re: Likely Offseason Targets for Jeff Green Trade
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2013, 09:55:53 PM »

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I think it might be best for the team as a whole if Jeff Green has a very good end of year and playoffs and then the Celtics use Green's increased value(and maybe another player if necessary) to get a sign and traded player like Tiago Splitter or Paul Misap or Josh Smith or Nikola Pekovic or maybe a traded player like Pau Gasol or Emeka Okafor, you know, a big that can give you close to a double double, play good defense, and be on a short contract.

I would gladly give up Green's possible future for a big that can be thrown into a frontcourt rotation and give the team the 10/10/1 they desperately need from the front in a one last ditch at a title before KG and Pierce retire. And, if you get a player like Okafor, then his salary comes off the books the same time as Pierce's and KG's and make it possible for a 2014 max free agent to be signed like Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Greg Monroe, Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins(though every player on this list would be ETO's or RFA's).

I would gladly sacrifice heavy-money guys like Tiago Splitter, Paul Millsap, Josh "max" Smith and Nikola Pekovic. Each and every one of these guys will get $9mil/yr or more.

I also don't prefer the huge contracts of Emeka Okafor and Pau Gasol (what's next, Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson?).

Looking at those names, $9mil/yr looks totally fine by me and if KG/Pierce leave, I wouldn't mind a three-man core of Rondo/Jeff/MaxFA.

How could you want Jeff to leave? For potentially even-more-overpaid players? KEEP JEFF.
Its not how much the $9 million is or Jeff's value for that $9 million or how good he might get. Its about fit and what this team has and can sacrifice to get what it needs to win next year.

Jeff Green, IMO, isn't a good fit and duplicates too much of what the Celtics already have elsewhere. He is a valuable asset in that respect because he could be enough to land what this team truly needs, size, rebounds, and defense up front. I really believe that players like the ones I listed would be a better fit and make the team much better next year to win a title in Pierce's and KG's last year. Those type players are also going to be able to keep the production and quality of the big man play high while KG plays less minutes.

Regarding Gasol and Okafor, they are expiring contracts and would come off the books at the same time as retiring KG and Pierce do at the end of next season giving the Celtics loads of cap room for the 2014 free agent season while still having Rondo, Bradley, Terry or Bass, Lee,  Melo, Sullinger, Crawford and this year's first round draft pick under contract.
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