Chad Ford says we will pick Kelly Olynyk

[Snakehead]

I don't think he looks like a good fit along-side Sullinger, though.

Why?

I mean having a defensive minded, long big would make a more rounded duo, but a quality passer, guy who can run the floor, put it on the floor, hit an open jumper would make for a great offensive combo.

And we already have Melo in line to fit the defensive minded big prospect slot.

But what about our defense?? What about pick and rolls or weakside help?? Yeah we would be hurting bad

If we go against two very mobile pf/c, might as well throw in the towel

Sullinger has already proven to be a pretty good defender.  And since Olynyk can move, he could develop as well.

We already have a purely defensive minded big prospect in Melo in the system... we need another?

It's always a trade off.  We play someone like Melo, we can't score in the post, with a jumper, or on the break.  Having bigs that can score isn't a bad thing.  This is especially true if, grain of salt, KG plays another 2 years.

Trust me, I'm a defensive guy, but if Olynyk has enough potential that I don't think he should be passed on.  If we are moving forward around Rondo, he would be a great pick  to thrive in a fast break system.

[Kevin OConnor]

I hate this pick. Olynyk is absolutely terrible on defense. He's definitely got the body for the NBA but if we're going to draft a stretch big man, I'd rather a guy like Isaiah Austin. But even more so than that, if we go big, a defensive-minded guy would be nice.

I feel like Ford was probably just lazy with his first mock, paying most attention to the lottery teams, because I don't think this pick makes a whole lot of sense for the Celtics.

[KGs Knee]

Yuck...Adam Morrison 2.0

No thanks

Oh man.

Yeah they are both are white and have long hair and played for Gonzaga.  Same player.  Nailed it.

Obviously they're not the same player.  They don't play the same position, nor are their games similar.

My point is simply, what have any of the previous 'highly touted' Gonzaga players ever accomplished in the NBA?  Nothing, that is what.  I make the comparison based on that.  The type of players they recruit just don't translate well to the NBA.

NBA teams would be wise to stay away from any Gonzaga player in the 1st round.

[Snakehead]

Yuck...Adam Morrison 2.0

No thanks

Oh man.

Yeah they are both are white and have long hair and played for Gonzaga.  Same player.  Nailed it.

Obviously they're not the same player.  They don't play the same position, nor are their games similar.

My point is simply, what have any of the previous 'highly touted' Gonzaga players ever accomplished in the NBA?  Nothing, that is what.  I make the comparison based on that.  The type of players they recruit just don't translate well to the NBA.

NBA teams would be wise to stay away from any Gonzaga player in the 1st round.

John Stockton?

They have hardly had any other prospects.  To say "Adam Morrison sucked, lets not take any Gonzaga player" is very foolish.

To me, Olynyk's game, projecting improvement, is more fitting to the pros than college.

[birdwatcher]

I want a true seven footer as well, but I would rather roll the dice on another brazilian project as seen here: http://nbadraft.net/players/lucas-nogueira
I figure we will be around the low 20's for a draft pick, so I feel okay gambling a bit on someone who may not be ready for another year or two, like Perk was.

[Q_FBE]

No thanks to the second coming of Robert Swift or Eric Chenowith.

[ssspence]

He's ready to contribute right now. I'd rather get Olynyk than a project who won't play for a year or two.

Heck yeah. We need help maintaining the mediocrity we've become right away.

It's my opinion, but I think when KG and Pierce leave we lose our best chance of winning a championship for the next 10+ years.


We really don't need to be stacking up each potentially decent center in hopes that he'll pan out. We already have one in Melo. I'd like someone who'd be able to actually be a part of the roster next season, not someone who we will stash in the D-League.

Window is closed.

Cs will evaluate the character of each option, then take the best overall talent available, whether that's a ready guy (Sullinger) or a future guy (Melo).

If 2014 championship hopes are a serious factor in the pick I'd be stunned.

[mmmmm]

I don't think he looks like a good fit along-side Sullinger, though.

Why?

I mean having a defensive minded, long big would make a more rounded duo, but a quality passer, guy who can run the floor, put it on the floor, hit an open jumper would make for a great offensive combo.

And we already have Melo in line to fit the defensive minded big prospect slot.

Olnyk doesn't play great horizontal, high-paint defense and (granted, this is just mho) I don't think you could coach him to become that guy.   I think he has good enough feet and definitely the size to become an adequate low-post defender with coaching.   But Sully already is an extremely good low-post, baseline defender.   What you need next to him is for another big with complementary skills.

That's why Sully fits so well with Garnett.   Garnett is one of the greatest horizontal, high-paint defenders ever.   So he and Sully complement each other on defense very well.   They also complement each other on offense, too.

I do agree that Olnyk, as a stretch big who can run would be a good complement to Sully on offense.   But not on defense.

I'll offer the caveat that players don't always get the best coaching and development through college to really bring out their skills.  Just because they haven't exhibited much ability at something in college doesn't mean it's not there.   It is not beyond the possibility that Olnyk has the core skills that, given proper development, couldn't turn him into a better defender of passing and driving lanes.    That's the kind of thing that Danny and his staff are paid to figure out.

But from the little I've seen, I'm not expecting him to become an all-world defender.

[connor]

He's ready to contribute right now. I'd rather get Olynyk than a project who won't play for a year or two.

Heck yeah. We need help maintaining the mediocrity we've become right away.

It's my opinion, but I think when KG and Pierce leave we lose our best chance of winning a championship for the next 10+ years.


We really don't need to be stacking up each potentially decent center in hopes that he'll pan out. We already have one in Melo. I'd like someone who'd be able to actually be a part of the roster next season, not someone who we will stash in the D-League.

Window is closed.

Cs will evaluate the character of each option, then take the best overall talent available, whether that's a ready guy (Sullinger) or a future guy (Melo).

If 2014 championship hopes are a serious factor in the pick I'd be stunned.

I agree that their contribution to the 2014 roster is probably pretty low down on Danny's checklist. I don't think he is under the delusion that whoever we pick up in this draft is going to be the difference for us next year (health and luck are). But if its a situation where he is choosing between guys who have relatively similar talent levels and ceilings he is going to go with the guy who better fits our current roster (at that point its really a crapshoot anyway).

We are going to need so many thing to fall into place for us to have any chance of being a contender next year that picking based on who will contribute the soonest is seriously shortsighted.

BPA available is the best approach for where our organization is at.

[Snakehead]

I don't think he looks like a good fit along-side Sullinger, though.

Why?

I mean having a defensive minded, long big would make a more rounded duo, but a quality passer, guy who can run the floor, put it on the floor, hit an open jumper would make for a great offensive combo.

And we already have Melo in line to fit the defensive minded big prospect slot.

Olnyk doesn't play great horizontal, high-paint defense and (granted, this is just mho) I don't think you could coach him to become that guy.   I think he has good enough feet and definitely the size to become an adequate low-post defender with coaching.   But Sully already is an extremely good low-post, baseline defender.   What you need next to him is for another big with complementary skills.

That's why Sully fits so well with Garnett.   Garnett is one of the greatest horizontal, high-paint defenders ever.   So he and Sully complement each other on defense very well.   They also complement each other on offense, too.

I do agree that Olnyk, as a stretch big who can run would be a good complement to Sully on offense.   But not on defense.

I'll offer the caveat that players don't always get the best coaching and development through college to really bring out their skills.  Just because they haven't exhibited much ability at something in college doesn't mean it's not there.   It is not beyond the possibility that Olnyk has the core skills that, given proper development, couldn't turn him into a better defender of passing and driving lanes.    That's the kind of thing that Danny and his staff are paid to figure out.

But from the little I've seen, I'm not expecting him to become an all-world defender.

I'm not expecting him to become all world either, but he can move his feet so that's better than most bigs out there.

And as far as Sully goes, lets just remember that everyone would have told you he would have been a bad defender going into the season.

There is defensive potential and there are strengths he has on the offensive side of the ball that would make him valuable, and if we are building around Rondo, a mobile big who can run the floor would be a good fit.  And we already have Melo for a defensive big prospect.  So that's my thinking on the pick.

[sofutomygaha]

Yuck...Adam Morrison 2.0

No thanks

Oh man.

Yeah they are both are white and have long hair and played for Gonzaga.  Same player.  Nailed it.

Obviously they're not the same player.  They don't play the same position, nor are their games similar.

My point is simply, what have any of the previous 'highly touted' Gonzaga players ever accomplished in the NBA?  Nothing, that is what.  I make the comparison based on that.  The type of players they recruit just don't translate well to the NBA.

NBA teams would be wise to stay away from any Gonzaga player in the 1st round.

John Stockton?

They have hardly had any other prospects.  To say "Adam Morrison sucked, lets not take any Gonzaga player" is very foolish.

To me, Olynyk's game, projecting improvement, is more fitting to the pros than college.

Bad form for race-baiting. The similarities don't end at skin color. It is a valid point that they are both Gonzaga prospects. Also, both come into the draft as super-efficient pure-scorer types with big questions about their athleticism and ability to play defense. Also both are 21 years old at the time of being drafted. AND they're both Canadian. Well, Morrison is from Montana, but that's practically Canada.

[Chris]

I don't think its fair to compare Olynyk and Morrison for one reason.  Morrison was 6'8" soaking wet.  Olynyk is pretty close to 7'. 

If Morrison was close to 7', he would have been a very good NBA player.  Something like Bargnani.  But at 6'8", he didn't have the size to be a PF, or to shoot over anyone, and he was too slow to get separation as a SF. 

I haven't seen much of Olynyk, but if he is anywhere near the skilled player Morrison was, then he is a very good prospect.  I doubt he is though.  From the little I have seen, he looks closer to a poor man's Ryan Anderson.

[CelticConcourse]

he would have been a very good NBA player.  Something like Bargnani.

But... Bargnani isn't a very good NBA player 

[Chris]

he would have been a very good NBA player.  Something like Bargnani.

But... Bargnani isn't a very good NBA player 

Sure he is.  He isn't a star, but he is a very good player.  Most teams in the league would gladly have him in their rotation.  They just might not jump at paying him $10 million per year.

[CelticConcourse]

he would have been a very good NBA player.  Something like Bargnani.

But... Bargnani isn't a very good NBA player 

Sure he is.  He isn't a star, but he is a very good player.  Most teams in the league would gladly have him in their rotation.  They just might not jump at paying him $10 million per year.

You're right. I don't know much about "Bargs" But I have seen him make countless boneheaded plays (Plus, Raps went on a win-streak every time Bargs left the lineup, lol) I'm sure he'll find another team that'd want him soon