Mitch McGary

[CelticsFan9]

The players from yesterday's games I would love to see the Celtics land even though yesterday may not have been their best games:

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Glenn Robinson III - star potential and one heck of a defender. Once he starts hitting his three more regularly, I think he will be blossom in the NBA game. Of course, this allows for Jeff Green to be traded while his stock is high and GR3 can learn under Pierce for a year or so.

Gorgui Dieng - big defensive, shot blocking, rebounding presence with what could be a developing inside offensive game, though right now he's pretty much just a garbage man offensively, I am not sure the Celtics need more than that for the future as I am expecting Sullinger to be the main offensive big in a couple years.

Absolutely agree.  Love GR3, and I think he's worth trading Green.  He'll be on a rookie deal, he's younger, and I like his potential.

[CelticConcourse]

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Well, those are high expectations...

[nickagneta]

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Well, those are high expectations...

They are but it also makes sense.

1. We don't have a back up PG. What we have is two SGs in PG bodies that try to play the point when Rondo is out.

2. Keeping Rondo for what I believe will be KG's and Pierce's final season allows the Celtics to keep this group together for one final run at a ring before life without KG and Pierce begin. Rondo would fetch a ton in talent and picks to rebuild with and a 6'6" Carter-Williams would step in and develop the year after.

3. I don't think Carter-Williams will ever be a superstar but he will be an extremely unique talent at the PG position that would be perfect next to an undersized SG like Bradley. He will be an elite defender of guards like Bradley and yet be able to post up smaller PGs at will without giving up the speed factor that most smaller PGs possess.

4. I don't think Rondo will ever develop his three pointer or be a decent FT shooter. I think Carter-Williams will develop those skills and for someone who will rely so much on playing over smaller players or utilizing his speed to get to the rim, those skills are going to be very necessary so they don't limit CW to basically Rondo's game, great passing, great defense(when he wants), great open court game, limited outside game, a growing reluctance to drive and score for fear of getting to the line.

[Tr1boy]

The players from yesterday's games I would love to see the Celtics land even though yesterday may not have been their best games:

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Glenn Robinson III - star potential and one heck of a defender. Once he starts hitting his three more regularly, I think he will be blossom in the NBA game. Of course, this allows for Jeff Green to be traded while his stock is high and GR3 can learn under Pierce for a year or so.

Gorgui Dieng - big defensive, shot blocking, rebounding presence with what could be a developing inside offensive game, though right now he's pretty much just a garbage man offensively, I am not sure the Celtics need more than that for the future as I am expecting Sullinger to be the main offensive big in a couple years.

Absolutely agree.  Love GR3, and I think he's worth trading Green.  He'll be on a rookie deal, he's younger, and I like his potential.

seriously?? GR3 has nothing on Jeff Green. GR3 is too passive and doesn't have even avg handles. Doesn't have great height to be a sf in the nba. 

no way i'm trading Green to grab him .Green is worth a top 5 pick in this years draft

[CelticsFan9]

The players from yesterday's games I would love to see the Celtics land even though yesterday may not have been their best games:

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Glenn Robinson III - star potential and one heck of a defender. Once he starts hitting his three more regularly, I think he will be blossom in the NBA game. Of course, this allows for Jeff Green to be traded while his stock is high and GR3 can learn under Pierce for a year or so.

Gorgui Dieng - big defensive, shot blocking, rebounding presence with what could be a developing inside offensive game, though right now he's pretty much just a garbage man offensively, I am not sure the Celtics need more than that for the future as I am expecting Sullinger to be the main offensive big in a couple years.

Absolutely agree.  Love GR3, and I think he's worth trading Green.  He'll be on a rookie deal, he's younger, and I like his potential.

seriously?? GR3 has nothing on Jeff Green. GR3 is too passive and doesn't have even avg handles. Doesn't have great height to be a sf in the nba. 

no thanks man

He's got the potential to be a very good "3 and D" guy in the league.  I'd love to get that in a draft this weak.  And yeah, he is 6'6", which is a little undersized, but he can also rebound the basketball.  Green?  Not so much.

And again, much better contract.

[nickagneta]

The players from yesterday's games I would love to see the Celtics land even though yesterday may not have been their best games:

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Glenn Robinson III - star potential and one heck of a defender. Once he starts hitting his three more regularly, I think he will be blossom in the NBA game. Of course, this allows for Jeff Green to be traded while his stock is high and GR3 can learn under Pierce for a year or so.

Gorgui Dieng - big defensive, shot blocking, rebounding presence with what could be a developing inside offensive game, though right now he's pretty much just a garbage man offensively, I am not sure the Celtics need more than that for the future as I am expecting Sullinger to be the main offensive big in a couple years.

Absolutely agree.  Love GR3, and I think he's worth trading Green.  He'll be on a rookie deal, he's younger, and I like his potential.

seriously?? GR3 has nothing on Jeff Green. GR3 is too passive and doesn't have even avg handles. Doesn't have great height to be a sf in the nba. 

no way i'm trading Green to grab him .Green is worth a top 5 pick in this years draft

Chance of landing a top 5 pick in this draft for Jeff Green....zero. I am not sure any GM would trade a top five pick for just about any player on this Celtic team right now. The Celtics just don't have that type of talent in their players.

[Tr1boy]

seeing the game again yesterday, Mcgary def had a good game. But it was against a team who plays small ball with no threatning inside presence.  Mcgary should of scored 30 points, but couldn't bc he has no post game.

All tourney Mcgary hasn't really faced a good pf/c. And i think if he did, especially ones that are more athletic,
quick, he would struggle. 

Again if we get him, and he is considered a future piece, how will Sully and Mcgary coexist on the court??   We will prob get beaten up pretty good against small ball

I know you don't draft based on needs vs bpa, but i'd rather draft a bpa non big vs mcgary.

[nickagneta]

seeing the game again yesterday, Mcgary def had a good game. But it was against a team who plays small ball with no threatning inside presence.  Mcgary should of scored 30 points, but couldn't bc he has no post game.

All tourney Mcgary hasn't really faced a good pf/c. And i think if he did, especially ones that are more athletic,
quick, he would struggle. 

Again if we get him, and he is considered a future piece, how will Sully and Mcgary coexist on the court??   We will prob get beaten up pretty good against small ball

I know you don't draft based on needs vs bpa, but i'd rather draft a bpa non big vs mcgary.

I'm not high on McCrary either. I see him as a 2nd rounder at best.

[ManUp]

The players from yesterday's games I would love to see the Celtics land even though yesterday may not have been their best games:

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Glenn Robinson III - star potential and one heck of a defender. Once he starts hitting his three more regularly, I think he will be blossom in the NBA game. Of course, this allows for Jeff Green to be traded while his stock is high and GR3 can learn under Pierce for a year or so.

Gorgui Dieng - big defensive, shot blocking, rebounding presence with what could be a developing inside offensive game, though right now he's pretty much just a garbage man offensively, I am not sure the Celtics need more than that for the future as I am expecting Sullinger to be the main offensive big in a couple years.

Trading established NBA players for young unproven guys with potential? Nickagneta is that really you?

[nickagneta]

The players from yesterday's games I would love to see the Celtics land even though yesterday may not have been their best games:

Michael Carter-Williams - let him play a year under Rondo and then trade Rondo later

Glenn Robinson III - star potential and one heck of a defender. Once he starts hitting his three more regularly, I think he will be blossom in the NBA game. Of course, this allows for Jeff Green to be traded while his stock is high and GR3 can learn under Pierce for a year or so.

Gorgui Dieng - big defensive, shot blocking, rebounding presence with what could be a developing inside offensive game, though right now he's pretty much just a garbage man offensively, I am not sure the Celtics need more than that for the future as I am expecting Sullinger to be the main offensive big in a couple years.

Trading established NBA players for young unproven guys with potential? Nickagneta is that really you?

Come after next year, yup. I think this contending for a title stuff ends next year and the C's will need to rebuild. Besides, Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo are the best assets we will have to trade(next year) and neither is a guy I want being my main star on a rebuild. I love Rondo, but he's not a #1 star type guy you build around. He's definitely a guy I want on a contending team with other stars but I do want him around a rebuild project.

Does that mean the guys we get this year would be the guys I want to rebuild around? Hell no. They might eventually be as good as Green or Rondo but neither is a star player you build around either. I would trade Green and Rondo looking for one of those or a pick that could turn into one of those.

[syfy9]

seeing the game again yesterday, Mcgary def had a good game. But it was against a team who plays small ball with no threatning inside presence.  Mcgary should of scored 30 points, but couldn't bc he has no post game.

All tourney Mcgary hasn't really faced a good pf/c. And i think if he did, especially ones that are more athletic,
quick, he would struggle. 

Again if we get him, and he is considered a future piece, how will Sully and Mcgary coexist on the court??   We will prob get beaten up pretty good against small ball

I know you don't draft based on needs vs bpa, but i'd rather draft a bpa non big vs mcgary.

What? What game did you watch exactly?

FYI, Syracuse plays a zone, and probably the best zone in the entire nation. You can't post up against even an average zone, much less the best zone in the NCAA. You can't dock McGary for not trying to post up against a zone.

Small ball also isn't that big of a negative factor when you are playing a zone because there are no match-ups that the other team can exploit.


Ask any knowledgeable basketball fan and they will tell you that the best way to beat a zone is to move the ball quickly and effectively. You can't force shots up against 3 other players; the best thing to do is to kick it out to your open teammate. McGary did that very very well (6 assists). He helped in the defeating of the zone by Michigan, something that Tyler Zeller and a lot of other notable big men were not able to do. 


Are you saying that small ball is effective? And that you'd rather play small ball than mean, rebounding-oriented scrapper ball?

Personally, I'd rather have the flexibility to do both and not be confined to one or the other. We don't really have another big that has the scrapper signature skill, so getting one in McGary would be ideal.

[Tr1boy]

seeing the game again yesterday, Mcgary def had a good game. But it was against a team who plays small ball with no threatning inside presence.  Mcgary should of scored 30 points, but couldn't bc he has no post game.

All tourney Mcgary hasn't really faced a good pf/c. And i think if he did, especially ones that are more athletic,
quick, he would struggle. 

Again if we get him, and he is considered a future piece, how will Sully and Mcgary coexist on the court??   We will prob get beaten up pretty good against small ball

I know you don't draft based on needs vs bpa, but i'd rather draft a bpa non big vs mcgary.

What? What game did you watch exactly?

FYI, Syracuse plays a zone, and probably the best zone in the entire nation. You can't post up against even an average zone, much less the best zone in the NCAA. You can't dock McGary for not trying to post up against a zone.

Small ball also isn't that big of a negative factor when you are playing a zone because there are no match-ups that the other team can exploit.


Ask any knowledgeable basketball fan and they will tell you that the best way to beat a zone is to move the ball quickly and effectively. You can't force shots up against 3 other players; the best thing to do is to kick it out to your open teammate. McGary did that very very well (6 assists). He helped in the defeating of the zone by Michigan, something that Tyler Zeller and a lot of other notable big men were not able to do. 


Are you saying that small ball is effective? And that you'd rather play small ball than mean, rebounding-oriented scrapper ball?

Personally, I'd rather have the flexibility to do both and not be confined to one or the other. We don't really have another big that has the scrapper signature skill, so getting one in McGary would be ideal.

Against zone defense you can very well play post up basketball. Thats how at times the celtics have been getting killed this year. You get it to the guy at the post, who is good at the post, then he will score on his own a few times or if he feels a double team will pass it out for a three or pass it to the cutter to the basket.

Mcgary was at times left standing alone under the basket, and wasn't covered very tightly. He did demand the ball down low at times but never got  a pass. It's because he doesn't have much post skills. Like many have said, he is a david lee without post skills and without as good as jump shot. 

I can't say small bball is more effective, but just know in the new nba, teams without a dominating center for the last few years have won the crown. Even OKC last year some argue were more effective witout Perk and having Ibaka as the sole interior presence. It's about speed, able to guard multiple positions, ability to make the jump shot. There are very few big guys who have the skills or fundementals to dominate down low like a Tim Duncan.

I won't be against grabbing Mcgary but having both him and sully up front, could be too much lack of speed on the court. I rather draft Roberson

[Celtics4ever]

I think the greatest strength of Louisville and Syracuse is their system, but it is also their biggest weakness.   The zone only works if you let it, likewise with the full court press of Louisville.  If you beat the initial trap then the D is vulnerable to attack.

[CFAN38]

I don't dislike Mcgary but he is a poor mans sully, I have doubts that they would be able to effectively defend as a pf center pairing.

[Tr1boy]

I don't dislike Mcgary but he is a poor mans sully, I have doubts that they would be able to effectively defend as a pf center pairing.

exactly. This is not the 70-80's where you can get away with having two slower but good interior basketball players.

If you were going to try, you need one guy that is truly skilled at the post who will demand double teams, leaving the guy pretty free to get in putbacks , easy passes etc.
Neither Sully (limitations) not Mcgary (little skill) have enough post capabilities to warrant any kind of double teams. The only team able to pull this of today is Memphis with Gasol and Zbo