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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2013, 10:18:54 PM »

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seeing the game again yesterday, Mcgary def had a good game. But it was against a team who plays small ball with no threatning inside presence.  Mcgary should of scored 30 points, but couldn't bc he has no post game.

All tourney Mcgary hasn't really faced a good pf/c. And i think if he did, especially ones that are more athletic,
quick, he would struggle. 

Again if we get him, and he is considered a future piece, how will Sully and Mcgary coexist on the court??   We will prob get beaten up pretty good against small ball

I know you don't draft based on needs vs bpa, but i'd rather draft a bpa non big vs mcgary.

What? What game did you watch exactly?

FYI, Syracuse plays a zone, and probably the best zone in the entire nation. You can't post up against even an average zone, much less the best zone in the NCAA. You can't dock McGary for not trying to post up against a zone.

Small ball also isn't that big of a negative factor when you are playing a zone because there are no match-ups that the other team can exploit.


Ask any knowledgeable basketball fan and they will tell you that the best way to beat a zone is to move the ball quickly and effectively. You can't force shots up against 3 other players; the best thing to do is to kick it out to your open teammate. McGary did that very very well (6 assists). He helped in the defeating of the zone by Michigan, something that Tyler Zeller and a lot of other notable big men were not able to do. 


Are you saying that small ball is effective? And that you'd rather play small ball than mean, rebounding-oriented scrapper ball?

Personally, I'd rather have the flexibility to do both and not be confined to one or the other. We don't really have another big that has the scrapper signature skill, so getting one in McGary would be ideal.

Against zone defense you can very well play post up basketball. Thats how at times the celtics have been getting killed this year. You get it to the guy at the post, who is good at the post, then he will score on his own a few times or if he feels a double team will pass it out for a three or pass it to the cutter to the basket.

Mcgary was at times left standing alone under the basket, and wasn't covered very tightly. He did demand the ball down low at times but never got  a pass. It's because he doesn't have much post skills. Like many have said, he is a david lee without post skills and without as good as jump shot. 

I can't say small bball is more effective, but just know in the new nba, teams without a dominating center for the last few years have won the crown. Even OKC last year some argue were more effective witout Perk and having Ibaka as the sole interior presence. It's about speed, able to guard multiple positions, ability to make the jump shot. There are very few big guys who have the skills or fundementals to dominate down low like a Tim Duncan.

I won't be against grabbing Mcgary but having both him and sully up front, could be too much lack of speed on the court. I rather draft Roberson

No, you can't play post up basketball against a zone defense. It's like how you can't do an isolation against a zone defense - you can try, but you're playing 1 on 5 with at least 1 or 2 open teammates. Besides, you are going to have a man in front of you and a man behind you if you are trying to post up either down low or up top.

When I was watching the game I seldom saw a guy on Michigan with his back to the basket. It just wasn't McGary. Just because his teammates aren't complete idiots who'd feed a guy down low against a zone doesn't mean McGary doesn't have a post up game. If Hakeem and McHale were constantly getting denied all game and weren't able to post up at all, would you say their post game was bad because their teammates/coach didn't trust him to operate down low?


Everyone knows how to beat the zone - pass, pass, pass. Michigan passed it to McGary in the high post a lot, and the Syracuse defense then collapsed on him. He kicked it out to open 3 point shooters, and that was the key to them winning the game.


And "over the last few years"? Don't you mean just last year? Last year's Miami Heat were the only team I recall playing small ball basketball and winning the title. And they had the best player on the planet as their stretch 4, who, if he wanted, could average 10+ rpg easily.

Nope, the Mavericks with Chandler and Dirk, the Lakers with Pau and Bynum, the Celtics with KG and Perk, the Spurs with Duncan and Oberto/Horry/Elson, and basically almost every other team in NBA history that won the title did not play small ball. It was just the Heat, and you know, the top 3 best combination of players in the league with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh.
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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2013, 10:36:56 PM »

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He's a top 10 pick if he comes out.

I doubt we will be able to reach him. I love the kid's motor and natural strength. But he's too good (potentially) to pass in the top 10, so unless we make a trade we wont be able to get him.
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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2013, 11:05:30 PM »

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He's a top 10 pick if he comes out.

I doubt we will be able to reach him. I love the kid's motor and natural strength. But he's too good (potentially) to pass in the top 10, so unless we make a trade we wont be able to get him.

Top 10? nope. And tonight proves it. He has been doing damage against team with a lack of interior presence (minus kansas). Against Dieng he is neutralized. Dieng is having a better game but not by much.

Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2013, 11:06:08 PM »

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Just watched him for first time tonight, but can't get an impression since he's not getting many touches. Maybe next time..
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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2013, 11:15:50 PM »

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Just watched him for first time tonight, but can't get an impression since he's not getting many touches. Maybe next time..

because he has little offensive moves, except for putbacks and an inconsistent jump shot. Also can be foul prone.

Still i believe better for him to declare and sneak his way into the 1st round 

Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2013, 11:27:45 PM »

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He will be lucky to wear a nba uniform
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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2013, 12:05:42 AM »

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I thought Dieng outplayed the hell out of McGary tonight. Like I previewed in the article posted earlier today, Dieng vs. McGary would say a lot...and Dieng won the battle, IMO
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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2013, 12:54:26 AM »

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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2013, 01:25:03 AM »

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McGary - Lee is the best comparison. He won't come out this year. He shouldn't. He will be a good pro someday though.

I don't understand the hype about GR3. I haven't seen anything from him nor the physical talents to grow into a big-time player. He looks scared most of the time. Think Hardaway Jr is a far superior player. And with all this hype around GR3, underrated accordingly.
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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2013, 10:59:20 AM »

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GR3 is a less skilled and shorter Jeff Green, earlier this year. He looks like he is ok just by being on the court.

No urgency to take over a game, when he has all the tools.

At the top of the key, he was playing hot potato and just kept passing the ball back to burke. 




Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2013, 12:02:12 PM »

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I like McGary. Big, tough, good motor and apparently likes to mix it up. I'm not that concerned about how he did in the championship game - he got into foul trouble and isn't he a freshman?

I liked his ability, for his size, to hedge out on perimeter guys and still get back. He also runs the floor pretty well.

He strikes me as a Dave Cowens / Bill Laimbeer type - very physical, likes contact and also has some skill.

If our management thinks that Fab still has the ability to become a good, long defensive presence in another year or so, Mcgary would be a very good compliment to Fab

Also love the idea of McGary and Sullinger in the paint when necessary. That's just a lot of attitude under one rim.


Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2013, 12:04:06 PM »

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That being said, Dieng would be hard to pass on if he's available at 16 or wherever we pick. His length and athleticism would also compliment Sullinger very well.

Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2013, 12:04:33 PM »

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This guy is Spencer Hawes at the ceiling (CEILING).  Although he's not that level of shooter, can't recall if Hawes was in college.  Otherwise he reminds me of him.  Not sure why he is so overrated by some.  I suppose the draft is quite weak.

Also, if you shoot 40% from the FT line, you better be Dwight Howard on defense and the boards.  Not cutting it in the pros otherwise.
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Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2013, 10:33:57 PM »

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This guy is Spencer Hawes at the ceiling (CEILING).  Although he's not that level of shooter, can't recall if Hawes was in college.  Otherwise he reminds me of him.  Not sure why he is so overrated by some.  I suppose the draft is quite weak.

Also, if you shoot 40% from the FT line, you better be Dwight Howard on defense and the boards.  Not cutting it in the pros otherwise.

Mcgary is not as skilled as Hawes. More like a Collison. And Collison is no starter in the nba, though a very good off the bench guy

Re: Mitch McGary
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2013, 08:21:52 AM »

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This guy is Spencer Hawes at the ceiling (CEILING).  Although he's not that level of shooter, can't recall if Hawes was in college.  Otherwise he reminds me of him.  Not sure why he is so overrated by some.  I suppose the draft is quite weak.

Also, if you shoot 40% from the FT line, you better be Dwight Howard on defense and the boards.  Not cutting it in the pros otherwise.

Mcgary is not as skilled as Hawes. More like a Collison. And Collison is no starter in the nba, though a very good off the bench guy

Actually that's a better comparison, though still, Collison is actually a good shooter.  I know McGary has moments but 40 percent from the line is unacceptable.
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