Could We Trade Bass + Filler For A Big Man Next Year? Any Takers?

[CelticConcourse]

One idea that makes sense would be a trade where another team needs to create cap space to sign a free agent.

So, I could imagine Dallas trying to create additional cap space by trading Shawn Marion for Bass and unguaranteed contracts, giving the Celtics a good option for a smallball 4.

Shawn Marion says he's not leaving Dallas, and there's almost no way Dallas trades him at this point. I highly doubt Marion gets traded ever again in his career.

They have more than enough cap space, at this point.

[Neurotic Guy]

It's not Bass plus filler. Bass IS filler. He's $6M in filler.

[Lucky17]

If Ben Gordon opts into the final year of his contract (for $13 mil), then perhaps something involving both Gordon and Ty Thomas for Bass, Courtney Lee, Crawford, Melo, and filler* might be attractive to Charlotte.

* I think the non-guaranteed contracts of TWill, Shavlik, and DJ White might actually make the numbers work.

[connor]

Bass + Lee

for

Granger + Mahinmi

If they wanted Crawford instead of Lee, I'd of course do that, but I'm not sure why Indy would.  I'd give them Melo if they wanted him.

Indy saves a bunch of cash next year (so they can re-sign guys) and get a potential West replacement (in case he leaves) and a nice young potential starting SG to play with George and Hill.

I really like the Pierce/Green/Granger/Sullinger 3/4 rotation going forward and Mahinmi is a nice backup center providing some nice depth.  Granger also expires after next year so he isn't a long term commitment and opens up some potential cap space.

No way Indy does that! Admittedly Granger's value has taken a significant hit after he went down for the season after only playing a hand full of games in addition to his huge salary and the development of George, but he still led them in scoring for the last 5 years.

They aren't going to trade him and their solid back up 7 footer for Bass and Lee (who probably wouldn't even start over Stephenson). That is unless Granger's recovery is questionable and no one is willing to move any real assets for him and Indy is willing to take back significantly less than his worth just to get the salary savings to go after West etc. But even then we would have to give them our first and Melo or Bradley instead of Lee.

[Moranis]

Bass + Lee

for

Granger + Mahinmi

If they wanted Crawford instead of Lee, I'd of course do that, but I'm not sure why Indy would.  I'd give them Melo if they wanted him.

Indy saves a bunch of cash next year (so they can re-sign guys) and get a potential West replacement (in case he leaves) and a nice young potential starting SG to play with George and Hill.

I really like the Pierce/Green/Granger/Sullinger 3/4 rotation going forward and Mahinmi is a nice backup center providing some nice depth.  Granger also expires after next year so he isn't a long term commitment and opens up some potential cap space.

No way Indy does that! Admittedly Granger's value has taken a significant hit after he went down for the season after only playing a hand full of games in addition to his huge salary and the development of George, but he still led them in scoring for the last 5 years.

They aren't going to trade him and their solid back up 7 footer for Bass and Lee (who probably wouldn't even start over Stephenson). That is unless Granger's recovery is questionable and no one is willing to move any real assets for him and Indy is willing to take back significantly less than his worth just to get the salary savings to go after West etc. But even then we would have to give them our first and Melo or Bradley instead of Lee.

I figured we may have to include Bradley and probably Melo anyway, but I'm not sure Indy has a lot of better options out there for Granger.  I mean he has barely played this year and last year he had by far his least efficient season as a pro and his worst numbers overall since his second year.  He also wasn't a picture of health that year either.  I just don't think there are a lot of options if Indy wants to move Granger and save money, so getting 2 useful rotation pieces and saving a ton of money in the process probably isn't a bad deal for them.

[SHAQATTACK]

It's not Bass plus filler. Bass IS filler. He's $6M in filler.

LoL....funny  and sad too.


long as all bass had to do was knock down 6 or 8 jumpers a game and not turn the ball over I was happy . , than having Baby.

Now that Rondo can't set him up knock down his fav shots and he has to rebound cause KG is old and Sully is hurt .... he is just awful in his new role.



By hook or crook we need a 6 11 or taller guy that can play unlimited games and minutes and control the paint ...protect the lane and block shots

[slamtheking]

If Ben Gordon opts into the final year of his contract (for $13 mil), then perhaps something involving both Gordon and Ty Thomas for Bass, Courtney Lee, Crawford, Melo, and filler* might be attractive to Charlotte.

* I think the non-guaranteed contracts of TWill, Shavlik, and DJ White might actually make the numbers work.

yuck.  Gordon is a toreador on D and Ty hasn't progressed since his rookie season.  not seeing the upside for the C's on this.  sure Gordon can shoot lights out when he's on but he needs to be set up to shoot.  he'll end up giving up more on the defensive side.

[connor]

Bass + Lee

for

Granger + Mahinmi

If they wanted Crawford instead of Lee, I'd of course do that, but I'm not sure why Indy would.  I'd give them Melo if they wanted him.

Indy saves a bunch of cash next year (so they can re-sign guys) and get a potential West replacement (in case he leaves) and a nice young potential starting SG to play with George and Hill.

I really like the Pierce/Green/Granger/Sullinger 3/4 rotation going forward and Mahinmi is a nice backup center providing some nice depth.  Granger also expires after next year so he isn't a long term commitment and opens up some potential cap space.

No way Indy does that! Admittedly Granger's value has taken a significant hit after he went down for the season after only playing a hand full of games in addition to his huge salary and the development of George, but he still led them in scoring for the last 5 years.

They aren't going to trade him and their solid back up 7 footer for Bass and Lee (who probably wouldn't even start over Stephenson). That is unless Granger's recovery is questionable and no one is willing to move any real assets for him and Indy is willing to take back significantly less than his worth just to get the salary savings to go after West etc. But even then we would have to give them our first and Melo or Bradley instead of Lee.

I figured we may have to include Bradley and probably Melo anyway, but I'm not sure Indy has a lot of better options out there for Granger.  I mean he has barely played this year and last year he had by far his least efficient season as a pro and his worst numbers overall since his second year.  He also wasn't a picture of health that year either.  I just don't think there are a lot of options if Indy wants to move Granger and save money, so getting 2 useful rotation pieces and saving a ton of money in the process probably isn't a bad deal for them.

Including Bradley and Melo makes it a far more palatable trade for Indy and possibly a contender for the package they would choose but I'm still not sold. In that scenario the Pacers are really trading for Bradley and the rest is filler.

Mahinmi has to be dropped from the deal entirely, the Pacers just traded Collison and Dhantay Jones for him last summer and he has been a solid backup big for them. They're not ready to move him so soon unless Plumlee makes huge strides this offseason and even then he would be able to bring back a solid return on his own.

Indy would do:

Indy: Bradley, Bass, Melo

Boston: Granger

Crawford might be thrown in or maybe swapping firsts in the future or some second ronders as throw ins.

This would only be if the deal was done in the offseason before teams saw Granger back on the court and the Pacers didn't have much leverage because of injury concerns. Indy would be inclined to move him then so they can free up space for signings. The thing is if Granger comes back and shows he can produce anywhere near what he has in the past and has no injury set backs his value soars especially because his contract is expiring, which creates 2014 cap space for a loaded FA class.

[LooseCannon]

One idea that makes sense would be a trade where another team needs to create cap space to sign a free agent.

So, I could imagine Dallas trying to create additional cap space by trading Shawn Marion for Bass and unguaranteed contracts, giving the Celtics a good option for a smallball 4.

Shawn Marion says he's not leaving Dallas, and there's almost no way Dallas trades him at this point. I highly doubt Marion gets traded ever again in his career.

They have more than enough cap space, at this point.

Marion didn't say he's not leaving Dallas, just that he would refuse to report to a non-contender.  Dallas has been shopping around Marion and Carter to see what they can get back because those are their only avenues to decreasing payroll enough to create cap space to sign multiple big-contract free agents.

[2short]

Well if we have green, sully back at full strength, wilcox and really shav and/or white I can't see bass not being traded anywhere anyhow anyway
He's averaging (in 27 mpg) 8 points and 5 rebounds and being paid pretty well to do that.  His defense is ok, foul shooting very good, passing bad.  If shav and white could figure out defensive rotations they would give us (insert your thought, same production, close enough or they aren't nba players)
i think sully gets the starters minutes next year and bass is moved, i would think its more of a package like:
bass, melo, draft pick and a guard (terry or lee) for a 6'10" or bigger rotation center, obviously add more pieces i'd expect the guy to be better

[krook]

Bass + Lee

for

Granger + Mahinmi

If they wanted Crawford instead of Lee, I'd of course do that, but I'm not sure why Indy would.  I'd give them Melo if they wanted him.

Indy saves a bunch of cash next year (so they can re-sign guys) and get a potential West replacement (in case he leaves) and a nice young potential starting SG to play with George and Hill.

I really like the Pierce/Green/Granger/Sullinger 3/4 rotation going forward and Mahinmi is a nice backup center providing some nice depth.  Granger also expires after next year so he isn't a long term commitment and opens up some potential cap space.

No way Indy does that! Admittedly Granger's value has taken a significant hit after he went down for the season after only playing a hand full of games in addition to his huge salary and the development of George, but he still led them in scoring for the last 5 years.

They aren't going to trade him and their solid back up 7 footer for Bass and Lee (who probably wouldn't even start over Stephenson). That is unless Granger's recovery is questionable and no one is willing to move any real assets for him and Indy is willing to take back significantly less than his worth just to get the salary savings to go after West etc. But even then we would have to give them our first and Melo or Bradley instead of Lee.

I figured we may have to include Bradley and probably Melo anyway, but I'm not sure Indy has a lot of better options out there for Granger.  I mean he has barely played this year and last year he had by far his least efficient season as a pro and his worst numbers overall since his second year.  He also wasn't a picture of health that year either.  I just don't think there are a lot of options if Indy wants to move Granger and save money, so getting 2 useful rotation pieces and saving a ton of money in the process probably isn't a bad deal for them.

Including Bradley and Melo makes it a far more palatable trade for Indy and possibly a contender for the package they would choose but I'm still not sold. In that scenario the Pacers are really trading for Bradley and the rest is filler.

Mahinmi has to be dropped from the deal entirely, the Pacers just traded Collison and Dhantay Jones for him last summer and he has been a solid backup big for them. They're not ready to move him so soon unless Plumlee makes huge strides this offseason and even then he would be able to bring back a solid return on his own.

Indy would do:

Indy: Bradley, Bass, Melo

Boston: Granger

Crawford might be thrown in or maybe swapping firsts in the future or some second ronders as throw ins.

This would only be if the deal was done in the offseason before teams saw Granger back on the court and the Pacers didn't have much leverage because of injury concerns. Indy would be inclined to move him then so they can free up space for signings. The thing is if Granger comes back and shows he can produce anywhere near what he has in the past and has no injury set backs his value soars especially because his contract is expiring, which creates 2014 cap space for a loaded FA class.

indy won this trade

[Jb111]

The main problem with Anti-beast Bass is he doesn't give full effort esp on rebounds. He's not a blue collar type, lunch pail worker. He's a wannabe pretty boy rapper. Put his butt on the bench behind Randolph, White and Melo and make Bass earn every minute he plays. When DA gave him the staring job with a nice contract Bass was no longer a hungry player.

[connor]

Bass + Lee

for

Granger + Mahinmi

If they wanted Crawford instead of Lee, I'd of course do that, but I'm not sure why Indy would.  I'd give them Melo if they wanted him.

Indy saves a bunch of cash next year (so they can re-sign guys) and get a potential West replacement (in case he leaves) and a nice young potential starting SG to play with George and Hill.

I really like the Pierce/Green/Granger/Sullinger 3/4 rotation going forward and Mahinmi is a nice backup center providing some nice depth.  Granger also expires after next year so he isn't a long term commitment and opens up some potential cap space.

No way Indy does that! Admittedly Granger's value has taken a significant hit after he went down for the season after only playing a hand full of games in addition to his huge salary and the development of George, but he still led them in scoring for the last 5 years.

They aren't going to trade him and their solid back up 7 footer for Bass and Lee (who probably wouldn't even start over Stephenson). That is unless Granger's recovery is questionable and no one is willing to move any real assets for him and Indy is willing to take back significantly less than his worth just to get the salary savings to go after West etc. But even then we would have to give them our first and Melo or Bradley instead of Lee.

I figured we may have to include Bradley and probably Melo anyway, but I'm not sure Indy has a lot of better options out there for Granger.  I mean he has barely played this year and last year he had by far his least efficient season as a pro and his worst numbers overall since his second year.  He also wasn't a picture of health that year either.  I just don't think there are a lot of options if Indy wants to move Granger and save money, so getting 2 useful rotation pieces and saving a ton of money in the process probably isn't a bad deal for them.

Including Bradley and Melo makes it a far more palatable trade for Indy and possibly a contender for the package they would choose but I'm still not sold. In that scenario the Pacers are really trading for Bradley and the rest is filler.

Mahinmi has to be dropped from the deal entirely, the Pacers just traded Collison and Dhantay Jones for him last summer and he has been a solid backup big for them. They're not ready to move him so soon unless Plumlee makes huge strides this offseason and even then he would be able to bring back a solid return on his own.

Indy would do:

Indy: Bradley, Bass, Melo

Boston: Granger

Crawford might be thrown in or maybe swapping firsts in the future or some second ronders as throw ins.

This would only be if the deal was done in the offseason before teams saw Granger back on the court and the Pacers didn't have much leverage because of injury concerns. Indy would be inclined to move him then so they can free up space for signings. The thing is if Granger comes back and shows he can produce anywhere near what he has in the past and has no injury set backs his value soars especially because his contract is expiring, which creates 2014 cap space for a loaded FA class.

indy won this trade

Probably, but thats the kind of return Indy is going to want back in exchange for Granger. I didn't say I would want Danny to pull the trigger.

They turned down a mid-season offer from the Knicks that was centered around Iman Shumpert and others, so I don't see them jumping at anything less than Bradley unless their market dries up completely at which point maybe we could swing it for Crawford, Melo, Bass and a pick, but I have to think there would be better offers out there than that for Granger.

Granger is a 20/5 guy and they aren't just going to give him away because they have George now. Yes he has been injured and is overpaid, but he is an All-Star.

Too many people are coming up with trades that don't have the Celtics moving out any of our own talent and yet we are bringing in quality level NBA talent.

[jambr380]

Bass + Lee

for

Granger + Mahinmi

If they wanted Crawford instead of Lee, I'd of course do that, but I'm not sure why Indy would.  I'd give them Melo if they wanted him.

Indy saves a bunch of cash next year (so they can re-sign guys) and get a potential West replacement (in case he leaves) and a nice young potential starting SG to play with George and Hill.

I really like the Pierce/Green/Granger/Sullinger 3/4 rotation going forward and Mahinmi is a nice backup center providing some nice depth.  Granger also expires after next year so he isn't a long term commitment and opens up some potential cap space.

No way Indy does that! Admittedly Granger's value has taken a significant hit after he went down for the season after only playing a hand full of games in addition to his huge salary and the development of George, but he still led them in scoring for the last 5 years.

They aren't going to trade him and their solid back up 7 footer for Bass and Lee (who probably wouldn't even start over Stephenson). That is unless Granger's recovery is questionable and no one is willing to move any real assets for him and Indy is willing to take back significantly less than his worth just to get the salary savings to go after West etc. But even then we would have to give them our first and Melo or Bradley instead of Lee.

I figured we may have to include Bradley and probably Melo anyway, but I'm not sure Indy has a lot of better options out there for Granger.  I mean he has barely played this year and last year he had by far his least efficient season as a pro and his worst numbers overall since his second year.  He also wasn't a picture of health that year either.  I just don't think there are a lot of options if Indy wants to move Granger and save money, so getting 2 useful rotation pieces and saving a ton of money in the process probably isn't a bad deal for them.

Including Bradley and Melo makes it a far more palatable trade for Indy and possibly a contender for the package they would choose but I'm still not sold. In that scenario the Pacers are really trading for Bradley and the rest is filler.

Mahinmi has to be dropped from the deal entirely, the Pacers just traded Collison and Dhantay Jones for him last summer and he has been a solid backup big for them. They're not ready to move him so soon unless Plumlee makes huge strides this offseason and even then he would be able to bring back a solid return on his own.

Indy would do:

Indy: Bradley, Bass, Melo

Boston: Granger

Crawford might be thrown in or maybe swapping firsts in the future or some second ronders as throw ins.

This would only be if the deal was done in the offseason before teams saw Granger back on the court and the Pacers didn't have much leverage because of injury concerns. Indy would be inclined to move him then so they can free up space for signings. The thing is if Granger comes back and shows he can produce anywhere near what he has in the past and has no injury set backs his value soars especially because his contract is expiring, which creates 2014 cap space for a loaded FA class.

indy won this trade

Probably, but thats the kind of return Indy is going to want back in exchange for Granger. I didn't say I would want Danny to pull the trigger.

They turned down a mid-season offer from the Knicks that was centered around Iman Shumpert and others, so I don't see them jumping at anything less than Bradley unless their market dries up completely at which point maybe we could swing it for Crawford, Melo, Bass and a pick, but I have to think there would be better offers out there than that for Granger.

Granger is a 20/5 guy and they aren't just going to give him away because they have George now. Yes he has been injured and is overpaid, but he is an All-Star.

Too many people are coming up with trades that don't have the Celtics moving out any of our own talent and yet we are bringing in quality level NBA talent.

The thing with Granger is that I think it's pretty obvious that his best days are behind him. Even in his [uninjured]hayday, he was considered more of a fantasy star than a major value around the league [like a Marion]. At this point, I am pretty sure he has more value as an expiring than anything else. Yes, he is definitely worth more than Bass, but I would be pretty surprised if Avery, Fab, and picks all were involved.

[KGs Knee]

I'm still of the opinion moving Bass is going to be difficult, but also still believe the way to move him is in a three-team deal.

Here's an idea I had the other day.  It involves also moving Terry to Memphis for their trade exception from the Rudy Gay deal.  Coming back to Boston would be Emeka Okafor from Washington.  The math is close, so we might also have to throw in one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

Boston:
IN: Okafor
OUT: Bass, Terry, 1st round pick (2013)

Washington:
IN: Bass, 1st round pick
OUT: Okafor

Memphis:
IN: Terry
OUT: Trade Exception