Martin and Birdman

[quidinqui33]

Watching the Knicks heat game and I know hindsight is 20/20, but did we totally blow it by not giving Birdman and Martin 10 days when sully went down.

I wonder if Danny was so skittish of the chemistry issues when we had baby, Nate, delonte, and vafor that he did not even want to go there.

I'd like our team with Martin, Birdman, and delonte In lieu of the Chinese basketballall-star team danny went with.  Those are some scrappy veterans.

[The Rondo Show]

Watching the Knicks heat game and I know hindsight is 20/20, but did we totally blow it by not giving Birdman and Martin 10 days when sully went down.

I wonder if Danny was so skittish of the chemistry issues when we had baby, Nate, delonte, and vafor that he did not even want to go there.

I'd like our team with Martin, Birdman, and delonte though.  Those are some scrappy veterans.

Passing on both was a big mistake.

Delonte can stay in the D league for all I care though

[kgainez]

i think it's tough to say
it's a whole different system, one in which Doc doesn't value rebounds and doesn't play the talent he has...or however you want to word that.
I actually wanted Delonte and Martin, but also, DA is rebuilding on the fly, so it doesnt make sense to spend on old folks.

[Lightskinsmurf]

I try not to think about it. It really makes me dislike danny when I do.

[dinome18]

Watching the Knicks heat game and I know hindsight is 20/20, but did we totally blow it by not giving Birdman and Martin 10 days when sully went down.

I wonder if Danny was so skittish of the chemistry issues when we had baby, Nate, delonte, and vafor that he did not even want to go there.

I'd like our team with Martin, Birdman, and delonte In lieu of the Chinese basketballall-star team danny went with.  Those are some scrappy veterans.

TP. Was thinking exact same thing watching Kmart play. Too bad. Could use the energy and attitude as well.

[jambr380]

It must have been an attitude thing because everybody here and in the free world knew that these two could be valuable, gritty big men on any team lacking depth in that area. I choose to think that Danny made a conscious decision not to take them on, not that he wasn't aware of their potential impact.

[timobusa]

Danny really missed out on them.

Even if Doc's philosophy is not rebounding, these 2 players are pretty good at it. They won't need to be told what to do, and they will probably learn defensive schemes faster than the china guys.

But what's done is done, I'm just hoping for a miracle now.

hah.

On that note, give me more Shavlik

[lightspeed5]

I try not to think about it. It really makes me dislike danny when I do.

lol

[connor]

You gotta admit that its a really tough decision to make since the both come with baggage. I was all for Danny signing both of them (partially because I liked what they brought to the table and partially because of the boost they could bring to our competition).

But I can't blame Danny for not pulling the trigger really. Our team needed more than just what K-mart and the Birdman would have provided. Don't get me wrong, we would be considerably better if we had either, let alone both, on the roster right now. Much more tough up front, deeper and more competitive. But they really aren't the types of guys who are going to put you over the top to get you deep into the playoffs (especially when the Celtics have suffered some deep losses already).

Danny was hoping to get really lucky and be able to make a run at some considerably better talent that got bought out and in the process he missed out on these solid additions. Its a bit of a tough pill to swallow, but with the amount of help we need to actually contend for the championship I can't blame him for swinging for the fences.

[2short]

Neither guy was signed by ANY team for quite some time so it can't just be ainge. 

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Watching the Knicks heat game and I know hindsight is 20/20, but did we totally blow it by not giving Birdman and Martin 10 days when sully went down.

I wonder if Danny was so skittish of the chemistry issues when we had baby, Nate, delonte, and vafor that he did not even want to go there.

I'd like our team with Martin, Birdman, and delonte In lieu of the Chinese basketballall-star team danny went with.  Those are some scrappy veterans.

we definitely screwed the pooch not signing K mart. Maybe birdman also. 

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Danny really missed out on them.

Even if Doc's philosophy is not rebounding, these 2 players are pretty good at it. They won't need to be told what to do, and they will probably learn defensive schemes faster than the china guys.

But what's done is done, I'm just hoping for a miracle now.

hah.

On that note, give me more Shavlik

and that right there tells us all we need to know. top coach my behind. what top coach does not believe in rebounding???

[connor]

Danny really missed out on them.

Even if Doc's philosophy is not rebounding, these 2 players are pretty good at it. They won't need to be told what to do, and they will probably learn defensive schemes faster than the china guys.

But what's done is done, I'm just hoping for a miracle now.

hah.

On that note, give me more Shavlik

and that right there tells us all we need to know. top coach my behind. what top coach does not believe in rebounding???

Its not that he doesn't believe in rebounding, he just doesn't think he has the personnel to actually pull down enough offensive boards to make it worth while committing guys to the glass instead of getting back and avoiding easy transition buckets. On the defensive end rebounding is still emphasized immensely.

I don't always agree with it, but its hard to argue given our roster that we could realistically be pulling down many more second chance opportunities if we committed more people to the boards. I'd like to see him try it more with guys who have the size/ability to bang a bit down low like Wilcox and Randolph on the floor.

But I guess Doc believes so much in his half court defense (and who can blame him given its production over the last few years and guys like Garnett, Bradley, Lee and Green) that he would rather force teams to run a set against us than give them the opportunity to get easy buckets.

[Celtics4ever]

We are so old does anyone think it would have mattered.   The well only has so much water in it, folks.  Although , we have seen the magic a few times this year, it seems harder and harder to make it happen or close out games.

[pearljammer10]

Said it before and Ill say it again. Ive wanted Birdman since the season began. He is the perfect center for the system we run. Can run the floor on offense, doesnt need the ball in his hands to contribute on the offensive end, hustles for garbage buckets. On defense he is a great help defender and is the athletic above the rim middle clogging, stopper that this team lacks. Its really too bad for us, but great for him.