Jeff Green: Nice Numbers on a Bad Team Guy?

[indeedproceed]

I don't think he has the personality to be a #1 option on a team but I do think as he matures he can be a consistant 18 and 8 type of guy on a very good team.

I don't think we'll ever see Green average 8 rebounds per game.  I'm happy with his current level of play, though.  As I've said previously, if Green can keep up this level of defense and keep hitting from outside, he's a very useful player.

Green's aversion to rebounds will always annoy the crap out of me, but this aside, I'm right in line with what Roy's saying. I'm happy with his current numbers, I don't think that he's a 'nice numbers on a bad team' guy, and I like his enthusiasm.

[PhoSita]

he's good enough to score 20 points a game as the #1 or #2 option, but I don't see him in that STAR category that wins championships

the problem is, can he produce as the 3rd or 4th option on a really good team?  that would be his ideal role but we haven't seen that from him consistently yet - maybe it will happen in the playoffs when we have KG and Pierce full speed

I think this is pretty much where I'm coming from on this.

Yes, Jeff has been playing well.  But he's doing so as our number 1 or 2 offensive option out there, and though he's been fairly efficient, I think it's safe to say that having Jeff Green as a top offensive option is not ideal. 

We still don't know if he can really produce like this when he's not a focal point of the offense pretty much by default.

[CelticConcourse]

He could be a top-5 scorer in the league, while leading his team to a 30-win season. I don't see him being the first option on a good team, but I can see him dominating opposing teams, night-in night-out, on a bad team, despite game-planning. I just don't see him scoring 25 points or even 23 points on a championship contender. Oh well.

On the other hand, he could be a very good second/third option who scores 20 points on a contender, like Roy said except for the 8 rebounds. Maybe something along the lines of 20/6/2/1.

[PhoSita]

He could be a top-5 scorer in the league, while leading his team to a 30-win season. I don't see him being the first option on a good team, but I can see him dominating opposing teams, night-in night-out, on a bad team, despite game-planning. I just don't see him scoring 25 points or even 23 points on a championship contender. Oh well.

On the other hand, he could be a very good second/third option who scores 20 points on a contender, like Roy said except for the 8 rebounds. Maybe something along the lines of 20/6/2/1.

I think Jeff Green is in the Rudy Gay category in terms of being a number one scorer.

I think his skill-set makes him a potentially really nice 3rd or 4th option, but the only time he's ever really produced in that role was on OKC, and they were worse with him on the floor than off. 

The trouble is Jeff might be a top two offensive option just by default once Pierce and KG are gone.  Jeff is not a great scorer like Pierce, but he's a much more natural, willing, and talented scorer than Rondo will ever be.

[mmmmm]

I really do think so.  For that opinion to change, I'll have to see what he can do on a healthy good team or how he play comes the playoffs.  With Sully, Rondo, and KG on the floor he's seems so timid on the court and doesn't seem to give a lot of effort.  He hasn't shown that he can play efficiently with stars or star studded teams

I just don't get this kind of comment.  It is a 'present tense' assertion about something isn't happening in the present.   It makes no sense.

The Jeff Green that played with Rondo and Sullinger was in the _past_.

Jeff Green's game (efficiency, durability and production) has very clearly and obviously been changing over time and for obvious reasons - his continued comeback from open-heart surgery and missing an entire season.

Totally independent of Rondo & Sully, Green is pretty clearly playing differently _now_ than he was just months ago.   And for all we know, he may be playing differently next Fall than he is right now.

So you can't make any statement whatsoever about how "he seems so timid" when on the court with Rondo & Sully.

You CAN make statements about how Green has performed with KG more recently since we have data that covers that.  And the fact is that Green and KG have played extremely well together, both on offense and on defense.

Since the start of the new year, when KG & Green have been on the floor together, the team is a net +6.5 per 100 possessions.   That's our 2nd most efficient two-some of the players left on the team in that span.

Interestingly, our most efficient two-some of the current roster since Jan 1, is Pierce & Green:  +9.7 points per 100 possessions!

I think he's pointing to the lackluster performance from Green when the team was healthy as a foundation for worry that his recent production for one reason or another is fools gold.

Which is perfectly valid. Small sample sizes are always suspect.

With all due respect, what you just said there is indeed perfectly valid.  But that's not what he said.

[CelticConcourse]

It's just that he's a passive guy, like me. When the team needs him though, he can come up BIG.

[mmmmm]

i kind of can't believe this is even a topic.
i mean, Jeff just cannot win with some of you.

i guess it's cuz Kendrick Perkins is doing such a bangup job in OKC, scoring 18.5 starting and stuff.

smh.

This is just a guess, but perhaps its backlash its because it feels like some posters are carpet bombing the website with pro-green posts and threads, to the point where a middle-of-the-road opinion of Green is labeled as 'hating' or having unrealistic expectations.

That's just my personal guess though.

You are probably right.  Of course, others will  point to the carpet-bombing of the website last Fall by all the people asserting Green a colossal waste of money and too soft and so on and so on and labeling those cautioning about his need to come back from rehab as excuse-making and even the remote positive-viewpoint on Green as koolaid-drinking.

LOL.  In the end, this is a sports blog.   Rationalism is not the norm and should simply be savored when it surfaces on occasion.

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We'll find out next year if we can put our best lineup out there:

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Bass
KG

I think this tells us where Green fits in. 

Does he join Paul, KG, Bass, and Rondo in averaging 15/5?

What would that make him?

[BballTim]

We'll find out next year if we can put our best lineup out there:

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Bass
KG

I think this tells us where Green fits in. 

Does he join Paul, KG, Bass, and Rondo in averaging 15/5?

What would that make him?

  Hopefully we'll be starting Sully and not Bass.

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We'll find out next year if we can put our best lineup out there:

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Bass
KG

I think this tells us where Green fits in. 

Does he join Paul, KG, Bass, and Rondo in averaging 15/5?

What would that make him?

  Hopefully we'll be starting Sully and not Bass.

Holy Crap!  Sorry...been a rough spell at work...

I'll take that group after a season's seasoning against any team in 7:

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Sully
KG

Bench:

Terry
Bradley
Lee
Bass
Wilcox

If any small + big + 8th man combo of bench players turn out to be title-level rotation level next year, I sure do like those starters in any series. 

Say we just "hope for the best" from the forever inconsistent JET and Wilcox.

Is a bench of Bradley, Lee, and Bass enough?

Is that enough in the starting unit?

Is Danny setting up Doc for a title run next year, with a fairly tight 8+2 rotation already set, plus 11-15 before us in Williams, Crawford, DJ White, the 2013 1st pick, and the other big guy?

I've gotta say, that Danny is pretty awesome at what he does.  Anything this year is gravy, folks.