Rajon Rondo 6'1 ft. is Really Missed, Rebounds Help Us A Lot

[BballTim]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky

  ...completely different teams, because it was Rondo and 14 players who were no longer with the Celts before this year? Because last year's team, with the *same 5 starters*, didn't resemble this team more than his college teams? Give me a break.

[Rondo2287]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky

  ...completely different teams, because it was Rondo and 14 players who were no longer with the Celts before this year? Because last year's team, with the *same 5 starters*, didn't resemble this team more than his college teams? Give me a break.

If you can't see it I don't know what else to tell you.  Those games you are referencing before involved rondo's teamates playing at much higher levels around him. 

[BballTim]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky

  ...completely different teams, because it was Rondo and 14 players who were no longer with the Celts before this year? Because last year's team, with the *same 5 starters*, didn't resemble this team more than his college teams? Give me a break.

If you can't see it I don't know what else to tell you.  Those games you are referencing before involved rondo's teamates playing at much higher levels around him.

  The 2010 team finished 27-27 in their last 54 games. The 2011 team went 10-11 down the stretch. The 2012 team started out 15-17. We've gone through inconsistent patches in recent years, people act like it's something new. Rondo's teammates aren't playing that much worse overall than last year if they're playing worse at all.

[Rondo2287]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky

  ...completely different teams, because it was Rondo and 14 players who were no longer with the Celts before this year? Because last year's team, with the *same 5 starters*, didn't resemble this team more than his college teams? Give me a break.

If you can't see it I don't know what else to tell you.  Those games you are referencing before involved rondo's teamates playing at much higher levels around him.

  The 2010 team finished 27-27 in their last 54 games. The 2011 team went 10-11 down the stretch. The 2012 team started out 15-17. We've gone through inconsistent patches in recent years, people act like it's something new. Rondo's teammates aren't playing that much worse overall than last year if they're playing worse at all.

From that statement it just backs up that this years performance is a valid sample, as you said they have been a 500 team for long stretches of the past 3 seasons.

[Celtics18]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky

  ...completely different teams, because it was Rondo and 14 players who were no longer with the Celts before this year? Because last year's team, with the *same 5 starters*, didn't resemble this team more than his college teams? Give me a break.

If you can't see it I don't know what else to tell you.  Those games you are referencing before involved rondo's teamates playing at much higher levels around him.

  The 2010 team finished 27-27 in their last 54 games. The 2011 team went 10-11 down the stretch. The 2012 team started out 15-17. We've gone through inconsistent patches in recent years, people act like it's something new. Rondo's teammates aren't playing that much worse overall than last year if they're playing worse at all.

From that statement it just backs up that this years performance is a valid sample, as you said they have been a 500 team for long stretches of the past 3 seasons.

I agree with you.  The sensible thing to do when evaluating a player's impact on team success is to look at the samples of when that team was playing at its worst and basing your opinions of that player purely on those stretches while completely ignoring the larger samples of when the team was playing well with him.

That makes a ton of sense. 

[Rondo2287]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky

  ...completely different teams, because it was Rondo and 14 players who were no longer with the Celts before this year? Because last year's team, with the *same 5 starters*, didn't resemble this team more than his college teams? Give me a break.

If you can't see it I don't know what else to tell you.  Those games you are referencing before involved rondo's teamates playing at much higher levels around him.

  The 2010 team finished 27-27 in their last 54 games. The 2011 team went 10-11 down the stretch. The 2012 team started out 15-17. We've gone through inconsistent patches in recent years, people act like it's something new. Rondo's teammates aren't playing that much worse overall than last year if they're playing worse at all.

From that statement it just backs up that this years performance is a valid sample, as you said they have been a 500 team for long stretches of the past 3 seasons.

I agree with you.  The sensible thing to do when evaluating a player's impact on team success is to look at the samples of when that team was playing at its worst and basing your opinions of that player purely on those stretches while completely ignoring the larger samples of when the team was playing well with him.

That makes a ton of sense.

I based it on this entire year when rondo was playing?  My fault that when he was playing the team was playing its worst?  I find it more relevent than comparing it to performances with scal playing rather than announcing

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Last I checked the Cs team rebounding really hadn't changed since Rondo went out. If the guys on the floor produce the same over all results as when he's in there, does the team miss his rebounding?

[Celtics18]

Last I checked the Cs team rebounding really hadn't changed since Rondo went out. If the guys on the floor produce the same over all results as when he's in there, does the team miss his rebounding?

Actually, our defensive rebounding rate has been worse since Rondo got injured. 

[BballTim]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky

  ...completely different teams, because it was Rondo and 14 players who were no longer with the Celts before this year? Because last year's team, with the *same 5 starters*, didn't resemble this team more than his college teams? Give me a break.

If you can't see it I don't know what else to tell you.  Those games you are referencing before involved rondo's teamates playing at much higher levels around him.

  The 2010 team finished 27-27 in their last 54 games. The 2011 team went 10-11 down the stretch. The 2012 team started out 15-17. We've gone through inconsistent patches in recent years, people act like it's something new. Rondo's teammates aren't playing that much worse overall than last year if they're playing worse at all.

From that statement it just backs up that this years performance is a valid sample, as you said they have been a 500 team for long stretches of the past 3 seasons.

I agree with you.  The sensible thing to do when evaluating a player's impact on team success is to look at the samples of when that team was playing at its worst and basing your opinions of that player purely on those stretches while completely ignoring the larger samples of when the team was playing well with him.

That makes a ton of sense.

I based it on this entire year when rondo was playing?  My fault that when he was playing the team was playing its worst?  I find it more relevent than comparing it to performances with scal playing rather than announcing

  I don't think anybody said that it's your fault the team wasn't performing well when Rondo was playing. I also don't think that the team playing poorly for a stretch implies that his rebounding doesn't help the team at all.

[kozlodoev]

Last I checked the Cs team rebounding really hadn't changed since Rondo went out. If the guys on the floor produce the same over all results as when he's in there, does the team miss his rebounding?

Actually, our defensive rebounding rate has been worse since Rondo got injured.

How much worse? And are you sure it's not because our best rebounder went down and left us with 3 healthy rotation bigs?

[Lucky17]

Last I checked the Cs team rebounding really hadn't changed since Rondo went out. If the guys on the floor produce the same over all results as when he's in there, does the team miss his rebounding?

Actually, our defensive rebounding rate has been worse since Rondo got injured.

Can you provide a link, or some stats for this? Not trying to be snide, I'm genuinely curious.

Split stats for the months of February and March show a slight uptick in the raw totals for team defensive rebounds compared to earlier months (except for October).

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/bos/split/43/boston-celtics

[timobusa]

I knew this was a Krook thread just from the title.

[kozlodoev]

I knew this was a Krook thread just from the title.

You also missed the period when "Rajon" was misspelled in the title 

[CelticConcourse]

Rajon Rondo's rebounds has very little correlation to how well we're playing, to be honest. But yes, we miss his rebounding a lot. He was one of the best in the league, from his position and size.

[GreenFaith1819]

The last few games, Bass has put together some decent numbers...right around 10 pts and roughly 6-7 rebs....this, I can live with.

I can stomach the last few games a LOT better than say - 2-4 pts and 4 rebs.

He's had a subpar season, but Doc is sticking with him...perhaps he's had nagging injuries? He hasn't missed ANY games, has he? This alone makes him a VERY durable Celtic.

I believe he'll up his game in the post-season. After all, he won some games for us just last yr:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA5OKsi5krg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdLP_1mibTE

He's GOT to be dealing with a nagging injury...I haven't seen much of that same explosiveness.