Rajon Rondo 6'1 ft. is Really Missed, Rebounds Help Us A Lot

[Rondo2287]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

That is not saying anything.  The guy was on the court with 4 other starters, of which 3 were playing some of the worst basketball we've ever seen.  And don't even start me on the bench. 

Last time I checked, basketball is still a team game and the team certainly wasn't doing jack in the begining of the season.  Rondo was the most consistent out of all of them

I don't disagree with any of that.  But that doesnt address the point that we probably don't miss rondo for his rebounding.  From a rebounding persepective Sullinger is missed more than rondo.

[BballTim]

Also, im not convinced having a PG that brings down 6 rpg is a key to victory in the NBA

  Outscoring your opponent is the key to victory in the nba. Anything that gets you possession of the ball quicker, increases your scoring efficiency or decreases your opponent's scoring efficiency will help you win.

No doubt, but im not sure Rondo getting 6 rebounds per game instead of or pf/C getting those rebounds and then immediately passing it to rondo has helped us win. 

  Were that only true. Rondo getting 6 rebounds instead of the other team getting those rebounds helps our cause quite a bit.

Sure but that assumes all of rondo's potential rebounds would have been recoverd by the opposition.

  That's a better assumption than yours, that we'd get all those rebounds.

[Fafnir]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

That is not saying anything.  The guy was on the court with 4 other starters, of which 3 were playing some of the worst basketball we've ever seen.  And don't even start me on the bench. 

Last time I checked, basketball is still a team game and the team certainly wasn't doing jack in the begining of the season.  Rondo was the most consistent out of all of them

I don't disagree with any of that.  But that doesnt address the point that we probably don't miss rondo for his rebounding.  From a rebounding persepective Sullinger is missed more than rondo.

I think we miss them both. Pierce and KG have so much pressure to rebound for the team with the lineups we currently play.

Hard to count on those two to be difference makers on the glass when the rest of the team is a liability or average at best across the board.

[Rondo2287]

Also, im not convinced having a PG that brings down 6 rpg is a key to victory in the NBA

  Outscoring your opponent is the key to victory in the nba. Anything that gets you possession of the ball quicker, increases your scoring efficiency or decreases your opponent's scoring efficiency will help you win.

No doubt, but im not sure Rondo getting 6 rebounds per game instead of or pf/C getting those rebounds and then immediately passing it to rondo has helped us win. 

  Were that only true. Rondo getting 6 rebounds instead of the other team getting those rebounds helps our cause quite a bit.

Sure but that assumes all of rondo's potential rebounds would have been recoverd by the opposition.

  That's a better assumption than yours, that we'd get all those rebounds.

False.  Pierce's rebounds per game has gone up by 2 per game, Garnetts has also gone up by 2 per game.  Hence slack has been picked up by other players so my assumption is more based in fact and therefor better.

[Fafnir]

False.  Pierce's rebounds per game has gone up by 2 per game, Garnetts has also gone up by 2 per game.  Hence slack has been picked up by other players so my assumption is more based in fact and therefor better.

Our rebounding percentage has gone down overall. Pierce and KG have been great at trying to make up for it in that area, but they're not miracle workers.

[BballTim]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

[Rondo2287]

False.  Pierce's rebounds per game has gone up by 2 per game, Garnetts has also gone up by 2 per game.  Hence slack has been picked up by other players so my assumption is more based in fact and therefor better.

Our rebounding percentage has gone down overall. Pierce and KG have been great at trying to make up for it in that area, but they're not miracle workers.

Agreed, but I think thats more based on replacing Sully with Green and Bass, both subpar rebounders than replacing losing Rondo

[BballTim]

Also, im not convinced having a PG that brings down 6 rpg is a key to victory in the NBA

  Outscoring your opponent is the key to victory in the nba. Anything that gets you possession of the ball quicker, increases your scoring efficiency or decreases your opponent's scoring efficiency will help you win.

No doubt, but im not sure Rondo getting 6 rebounds per game instead of or pf/C getting those rebounds and then immediately passing it to rondo has helped us win. 

  Were that only true. Rondo getting 6 rebounds instead of the other team getting those rebounds helps our cause quite a bit.

Sure but that assumes all of rondo's potential rebounds would have been recoverd by the opposition.

  That's a better assumption than yours, that we'd get all those rebounds.

False.  Pierce's rebounds per game has gone up by 2 per game, Garnetts has also gone up by 2 per game.  Hence slack has been picked up by other players so my assumption is more based in fact and therefor better.

  It is if you can show that they couldn't have gotten those rebounds with Rondo still playing. How do you know they aren't picking up the slack from Sully being out and not Rondo?

[Rondo2287]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding. 

[Snakehead]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

That is not saying anything.  The guy was on the court with 4 other starters, of which 3 were playing some of the worst basketball we've ever seen.  And don't even start me on the bench. 

Last time I checked, basketball is still a team game and the team certainly wasn't doing jack in the begining of the season.  Rondo was the most consistent out of all of them

I don't disagree with any of that.  But that doesnt address the point that we probably don't miss rondo for his rebounding.  From a rebounding persepective Sullinger is missed more than rondo.

I think we miss them both. Pierce and KG have so much pressure to rebound for the team with the lineups we currently play.

Hard to count on those two to be difference makers on the glass when the rest of the team is a liability or average at best across the board.

This is right.  Both can be missed, and as good as KG and Pierce can play they don't have it every night.  They need help and Rondo is the best rebounding guard on the team for sure.

[Rondo2287]

Also, im not convinced having a PG that brings down 6 rpg is a key to victory in the NBA

  Outscoring your opponent is the key to victory in the nba. Anything that gets you possession of the ball quicker, increases your scoring efficiency or decreases your opponent's scoring efficiency will help you win.

No doubt, but im not sure Rondo getting 6 rebounds per game instead of or pf/C getting those rebounds and then immediately passing it to rondo has helped us win. 

  Were that only true. Rondo getting 6 rebounds instead of the other team getting those rebounds helps our cause quite a bit.

Sure but that assumes all of rondo's potential rebounds would have been recoverd by the opposition.

  That's a better assumption than yours, that we'd get all those rebounds.

False.  Pierce's rebounds per game has gone up by 2 per game, Garnetts has also gone up by 2 per game.  Hence slack has been picked up by other players so my assumption is more based in fact and therefor better.

  It is if you can show that they couldn't have gotten those rebounds with Rondo still playing. How do you know they aren't picking up the slack from Sully being out and not Rondo?

that has nothing to do with the previous premise of the argument.  The idea that the celtics get zero of the rebounds that rondo would have gotten is far less plausible than they get all of them. 

[Fafnir]

False.  Pierce's rebounds per game has gone up by 2 per game, Garnetts has also gone up by 2 per game.  Hence slack has been picked up by other players so my assumption is more based in fact and therefor better.

Our rebounding percentage has gone down overall. Pierce and KG have been great at trying to make up for it in that area, but they're not miracle workers.

Agreed, but I think thats more based on replacing Sully with Green and Bass, both subpar rebounders than replacing losing Rondo

Well yeah a forward is a more important rebounder than a guard. But don't forget almost all of Rondo's minutes are going to Lee/Bradley/Terry. They're all sub-par on the glass too.

Rondo was our one guard who'd go get rebounds out of his zone. KG is a position rebounder at this point and Pierce is doing a great job crashing but he's not really an out of zone guy either.

Hard to get consistent performance on the glass when your lineup lacks balance in where it gets its rebounding night in and out, both positionally and in type of rebounders.

[BballTim]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

[BballTim]

Also, im not convinced having a PG that brings down 6 rpg is a key to victory in the NBA

  Outscoring your opponent is the key to victory in the nba. Anything that gets you possession of the ball quicker, increases your scoring efficiency or decreases your opponent's scoring efficiency will help you win.

No doubt, but im not sure Rondo getting 6 rebounds per game instead of or pf/C getting those rebounds and then immediately passing it to rondo has helped us win. 

  Were that only true. Rondo getting 6 rebounds instead of the other team getting those rebounds helps our cause quite a bit.

Sure but that assumes all of rondo's potential rebounds would have been recoverd by the opposition.

  That's a better assumption than yours, that we'd get all those rebounds.

False.  Pierce's rebounds per game has gone up by 2 per game, Garnetts has also gone up by 2 per game.  Hence slack has been picked up by other players so my assumption is more based in fact and therefor better.

  It is if you can show that they couldn't have gotten those rebounds with Rondo still playing. How do you know they aren't picking up the slack from Sully being out and not Rondo?

that has nothing to do with the previous premise of the argument.  The idea that the celtics get zero of the rebounds that rondo would have gotten is far less plausible than they get all of them.

  Of course it isn't. We get 47.6% of all available rebounds, it's ridiculous to claim we're more likely than not to get those rebounds.

[Rondo2287]

Take note... The Celtics were 2-4 when rondo had more than 10 rebounds this year.

  And we're 10-4 in the playoffs when he does over the last 4 years, 28-25 when he doesn't. I don't think a short(ish) stretch of games when the team's playing poorly for various reasons is the best way to judge the value of someone's contributions.

Its better than using win loss records from previous seasons to determine how much this celtics team misses rondo's rebounding.

  Frankly it's not. The team was playing way too inconsistently earlier this year to draw any meaningful conclusions. Would we have lost those games earlier this year if the new guys were playing defense as well as they are now? Would we have won some of our recent losses if Rondo was playing and getting 10+ rebounds? There's no way to say.

Thats just nonsensical, yes this team has played inconsistent but drawing conclusions based on the performance of an incosistent team is more sound than drawing conclusions on an inconsistent team basedon the performance of a compilation of completely different teams.  You might as well throw in rondo's rebounding at kentucky