Doc vs Jeff Green moment?

[LB3533]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

I think what people are saying, is that despite the talent he doesn't have the mindset to go out there and battle every night. You mention that our goal is to win a championship, and with Jeff Green going out there and throwing up horrible performances once every 3 or 4 games, we won't win a championship.

He has many excuses, he took a year off from playing basketball. He is still recovering from open heart surgery. But we have seen he still has athletic ability. He needs to rebound, he is 6' 9''. He is soft in too many facets of the game.

Are you watching the same team as I am?

Or maybe your definition of "horrible performance" is different than any other person.

I can only think of one horrible performance Jeff has put up in his last 10 games where we lost...OKC.

It could be argued that Jeff Green has been the most consistent and efficient player currently on the Celtics' active roster.

In fact, Green's offensive efficiency is better than Pierce's.

Excluding FT's, Green has a higher Points per FGA than Pierce as well. (Not by much though).

[hpantazo]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

I think what people are saying, is that despite the talent he doesn't have the mindset to go out there and battle every night. You mention that our goal is to win a championship, and with Jeff Green going out there and throwing up horrible performances once every 3 or 4 games, we won't win a championship.

He has many excuses, he took a year off from playing basketball. He is still recovering from open heart surgery. But we have seen he still has athletic ability. He needs to rebound, he is 6' 9''. He is soft in too many facets of the game.

Are you watching the same team as I am?

Or maybe your definition of "horrible performance" is different than any other person.

I can only think of one horrible performance Jeff has put up in his last 10 games where we lost...OKC.

It could be argued that Jeff Green has been the most consistent and efficient player currently on the Celtics' active roster.

In fact, Green's offensive efficiency is better than Pierce's.

Excluding FT's, Green has a higher Points per FGA than Pierce as well. (Not by much though).

TP LB. It's amazing how much some people want to blame Green for every loss when he's been arguably the most consistent player and efficient player on the team since Rondo went down. I saw a lot of bad plays, lack of focus, and lack of effort from a number of players not named Green on the celtics last night. No one is talking about them though.

It's as if some people are intent on punishing Green and Ainge for the Perk trade no matter what happens. Meanwhile Perk is a mediocre, overpayed player and an amnesty candidate for OKC.

[Clench123]

To be honest, I really don't see this inconsistency with Jeff going away.  I think it's what it is.  Every now and then we'll see a flash of is talent and potential like he showed in with the Heat few games before that.

The inconsistency is what bothers me the most, but I think he'll continue to have more good games than bad ones. I don't know how you feel, but I'd involve Jeff in a small trade package during the offseason for a real good big like Millsap, Cousins, even Gortat. We'll need to find another starting forward but we'll keep Rondo...and then we'll await the decisions regarding Garnett and Pierce. Maybe we won't have to include Jeff, seeing that Danny has a lot of trade chips to work with now.

Oh, trust me, I'm all for trading Jeff Green if it's any of those names you mentioned. 

[Who]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

I watched the replay, and it looked to me like Green was working to keep Ryan Anderson from being in position to get a rebound. I think that play was on KG—yes, he came over to help on Gordon, but he was still in good rebounding position, and all he had to do was put a body on Davis, or go up and grab the ball himself, and he didn't do either.

I've watched the replay several times now:

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/2013/03/20/0021201013-bos-noh-play3.nba

and yes, Green is properly (and basically successfully) boxing out Anderson from coming from underneath.   Remember, the goal in that situation isn't necessarily to 'grab the rebound' - they only needed to prevent a put back.

KG actually did the right moves in the sequence - because Gordon beat Bradley to the right side and drove the paint, KG had to release from Davis (who he'd had blocked at the left elbow) to help contest the shot.

What was supposed to happen when KG released is that Lee, who was standing just outside the paint on the left, should have rotated in to block Davis from crashing.

Three things made this play work:

1)  Roberts swung out the the right corner forcing Pierce to setup a full step out from the paint, vacating the right side of the paint.   Nothing done wrong by Paul there, it is what it is.

2) Given that, Bradley needed to force Gordon to go to his left, to the overloaded side.  You HAVE to show him the left side and overplay the right in that situation.  Instead, he tried to square him up and Gordon beat him to his favorite side with the spin move.  Once Gordon penetrated, KG had to collapse.

3) Lee forgot to rotate.  Davis was able to crash and tip it.

A lot of folks are screaming at KG as if this play was his fault.   But the two basic mistakes in the team defense were by Bradley and Lee.

I disagree. I don't think boxing out Anthony Davis was Courtney Lee's assignment.

Garnett didn't move far enough across the paint for Lee to jump down and leave his man wide open spotting up behind the arc. Garnett was in good position to recover to Anthony Davis and box him out. He just didn't do it.

Now if KG moved all the way across to the other side of the paint or rim, then yes, I think it would be Courtney Lee's job to box out Anthony Davis. But Garnett was always in position to recover and box out Davis. He stayed on the same side of the basket + Garnett was in between Davis and the rim. He was only one step away from putting a body on Davis.

It is not like KG went up to challenge the shot and would have been unable to recover to Davis. In that case, again, it is Courtney Lee's assignment.

But the way KG did it, shadowing over to protect the front of the rim left him in good position to both take away that angle on E.Gordon's drive/shot + to recover to his own man once Gordon went down the right hand side of the lane.

I agree with others that it was KG's defensive rebounding error.

[angryguy77]

So PP can have 100 to's in a game, but it's the guys who are not being serious enough who get benched. Great logic doc.
If doc wants to send a message by benching a guy, then maybe he should start doing that to reduce TO's.

We've been way too careless with the ball for years now, Doc should be doing whatever is necessary to fix that. I'm curious to know how many close games have we lost that would have gone the other way if they took better care of the ball.

[jojowhite10]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

I think what people are saying, is that despite the talent he doesn't have the mindset to go out there and battle every night. You mention that our goal is to win a championship, and with Jeff Green going out there and throwing up horrible performances once every 3 or 4 games, we won't win a championship.

He has many excuses, he took a year off from playing basketball. He is still recovering from open heart surgery. But we have seen he still has athletic ability. He needs to rebound, he is 6' 9''. He is soft in too many facets of the game.

Are you watching the same team as I am?

Or maybe your definition of "horrible performance" is different than any other person.

I can only think of one horrible performance Jeff has put up in his last 10 games where we lost...OKC.

It could be argued that Jeff Green has been the most consistent and efficient player currently on the Celtics' active roster.

In fact, Green's offensive efficiency is better than Pierce's.

Excluding FT's, Green has a higher Points per FGA than Pierce as well. (Not by much though).

TP LB. It's amazing how much some people want to blame Green for every loss when he's been arguably the most consistent player and efficient player on the team since Rondo went down. I saw a lot of bad plays, lack of focus, and lack of effort from a number of players not named Green on the celtics last night. No one is talking about them though.

It's as if some people are intent on punishing Green and Ainge for the Perk trade no matter what happens. Meanwhile Perk is a mediocre, overpayed player and an amnesty candidate for OKC.

Unfortunately your attributions are not really at all what I said. Or at least intended to say. Never mentioned the Perk trade. Never said that last night's game was a direct reflection of Green's performance--you win as a team and lose as a team.

Merely that, as a 6'9'' forward in the NBA part of your job description is to bang around the boards and get rebounds. In fact, I even said a couple reasons why Green has legitimate excuses.

The discussion had shifted to whether we should "trash" Green when PP and KG inevitably retire. My response was that Green needs to perform consistently, and become a better rebounder (see: all-around player) if we can expect to compete for a championship in a few years.

But sure, talk about the Perk trade to prove a point!

[hpantazo]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

I think what people are saying, is that despite the talent he doesn't have the mindset to go out there and battle every night. You mention that our goal is to win a championship, and with Jeff Green going out there and throwing up horrible performances once every 3 or 4 games, we won't win a championship.

He has many excuses, he took a year off from playing basketball. He is still recovering from open heart surgery. But we have seen he still has athletic ability. He needs to rebound, he is 6' 9''. He is soft in too many facets of the game.

Are you watching the same team as I am?

Or maybe your definition of "horrible performance" is different than any other person.

I can only think of one horrible performance Jeff has put up in his last 10 games where we lost...OKC.

It could be argued that Jeff Green has been the most consistent and efficient player currently on the Celtics' active roster.

In fact, Green's offensive efficiency is better than Pierce's.

Excluding FT's, Green has a higher Points per FGA than Pierce as well. (Not by much though).

TP LB. It's amazing how much some people want to blame Green for every loss when he's been arguably the most consistent player and efficient player on the team since Rondo went down. I saw a lot of bad plays, lack of focus, and lack of effort from a number of players not named Green on the celtics last night. No one is talking about them though.

It's as if some people are intent on punishing Green and Ainge for the Perk trade no matter what happens. Meanwhile Perk is a mediocre, overpayed player and an amnesty candidate for OKC.

Unfortunately your attributions are not really at all what I said. Or at least intended to say. Never mentioned the Perk trade. Never said that last night's game was a direct reflection of Green's performance--you win as a team and lose as a team.

Merely that, as a 6'9'' forward in the NBA part of your job description is to bang around the boards and get rebounds. In fact, I even said a couple reasons why Green has legitimate excuses.

The discussion had shifted to whether we should "trash" Green when PP and KG inevitably retire. My response was that Green needs to perform consistently, and become a better rebounder (see: all-around player) if we can expect to compete for a championship in a few years.

But sure, talk about the Perk trade to prove a point!

Ok, so when our entire team consistently rebounds poorly, partially due to our offensive and defensive strategy, the large part of the blame falls on Green because he's 6'9? Green has never been a great rebounder, he never will be, especially not while Doc Rivers is coach. He's a small forward who scores well and plays solid defense. Expecting him to solve our rebounding issue is illogical.

[kgainez]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

i'm not sure what tangent you're going off on but I was asking a serious question about what happened with Doc and Jeff as I heard something happened.

[kgainez]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

I think what people are saying, is that despite the talent he doesn't have the mindset to go out there and battle every night. You mention that our goal is to win a championship, and with Jeff Green going out there and throwing up horrible performances once every 3 or 4 games, we won't win a championship.

He has many excuses, he took a year off from playing basketball. He is still recovering from open heart surgery. But we have seen he still has athletic ability. He needs to rebound, he is 6' 9''. He is soft in too many facets of the game.

and then there's this.
what are you guys talking about?

at the end of the day JG was 4 of 8 for 13 points.

you mean to tell me you sat him cuz he missed 4 shots when youre not calling plays for him? and you're mad because he missed a rotation???

why the 'tough love' on Green...a guy that JUST had his 43 point night...and you play him 26 minutes. this makes 0 sense to me. my issue is not with Green being inconsistent, it's as if Doc doesn't give the guy a chance to be consistent. He doesn't give him a chance to mess up and figure it out himself.

oh and 3 of those misses were from him trying to go left.

[kgainez]

So PP can have 100 to's in a game, but it's the guys who are not being serious enough who get benched. Great logic doc.
If doc wants to send a message by benching a guy, then maybe he should start doing that to reduce TO's.

We've been way too careless with the ball for years now, Doc should be doing whatever is necessary to fix that. I'm curious to know how many close games have we lost that would have gone the other way if they took better care of the ball.

TP for you
this is what I'm saying
Jeff misses 4 shots (still a shooting 50%) and I guess (people are saying) he missed a defensive assignment and he gets benched....what???
This guy? The guy who's obviously still hot from the Miami game...had 5 points in like 30 seconds. and you bench HIM?

and then when he has an awful game, hits nothing next game, everyone's going to wonder what happened. smh.

[moiso]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

I watched the replay, and it looked to me like Green was working to keep Ryan Anderson from being in position to get a rebound. I think that play was on KG—yes, he came over to help on Gordon, but he was still in good rebounding position, and all he had to do was put a body on Davis, or go up and grab the ball himself, and he didn't do eithe

The boxing out part was great but common sense says that before the ball lands on your head you put your hands up and grab it.  Green didn't so Davis did.

[mmmmm]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

I watched the replay, and it looked to me like Green was working to keep Ryan Anderson from being in position to get a rebound. I think that play was on KG—yes, he came over to help on Gordon, but he was still in good rebounding position, and all he had to do was put a body on Davis, or go up and grab the ball himself, and he didn't do either.

I've watched the replay several times now:

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/2013/03/20/0021201013-bos-noh-play3.nba

and yes, Green is properly (and basically successfully) boxing out Anderson from coming from underneath.   Remember, the goal in that situation isn't necessarily to 'grab the rebound' - they only needed to prevent a put back.

KG actually did the right moves in the sequence - because Gordon beat Bradley to the right side and drove the paint, KG had to release from Davis (who he'd had blocked at the left elbow) to help contest the shot.

What was supposed to happen when KG released is that Lee, who was standing just outside the paint on the left, should have rotated in to block Davis from crashing.

Three things made this play work:

1)  Roberts swung out the the right corner forcing Pierce to setup a full step out from the paint, vacating the right side of the paint.   Nothing done wrong by Paul there, it is what it is.

2) Given that, Bradley needed to force Gordon to go to his left, to the overloaded side.  You HAVE to show him the left side and overplay the right in that situation.  Instead, he tried to square him up and Gordon beat him to his favorite side with the spin move.  Once Gordon penetrated, KG had to collapse.

3) Lee forgot to rotate.  Davis was able to crash and tip it.

A lot of folks are screaming at KG as if this play was his fault.   But the two basic mistakes in the team defense were by Bradley and Lee.

I disagree. I don't think boxing out Anthony Davis was Courtney Lee's assignment.

Garnett didn't move far enough across the paint for Lee to jump down and leave his man wide open spotting up behind the arc. Garnett was in good position to recover to Anthony Davis and box him out. He just didn't do it.

Now if KG moved all the way across to the other side of the paint or rim, then yes, I think it would be Courtney Lee's job to box out Anthony Davis. But Garnett was always in position to recover and box out Davis. He stayed on the same side of the basket + Garnett was in between Davis and the rim. He was only one step away from putting a body on Davis.

It is not like KG went up to challenge the shot and would have been unable to recover to Davis. In that case, again, it is Courtney Lee's assignment.

But the way KG did it, shadowing over to protect the front of the rim left him in good position to both take away that angle on E.Gordon's drive/shot + to recover to his own man once Gordon went down the right hand side of the lane.

I agree with others that it was KG's defensive rebounding error.

On a play earlier in the clock, it is arguable that Lee should not too quickly abandon his man (Vasquez) - but even then, it is normal for the C's to show help & recover in exactly that scenario.   But on a last-second play, there is 100% no reason to worry about a carom that goes all the way to the 3PT line.   There is no reason at that point to worry about the 3PT shooters at all.

To this point - as Gordon drives, you can see Lee abandon his man anyway - he lets Vasquez move off to the top of the key and instead just stands and watches the play.

Both shooters on each side (Vasquez, Roberts) did the same move - towards mid-court.   Pierce actually starts to move  a couple of steps with his man, but stops as there is no point.  Lee, as mentioned, doesn't follow Vasquez at all.

He stood and watched. 

If instead he steps in, it wouldn't take much to have warded Davis off just enough that there would have been no way for him to tip it back in in time.

Rebounding is a crap shoot - you can have great position and great length and elevation and great hands, strength and skill (all of which KG has), but all that only increases your _probability_ of grabbing the rebound.   Other players also have those things.  And the ball bounces - sometimes in funny ways.

(Not to mention - the ball technically never finished bouncing out of the cylinder!).

But if you execute the _team_ defense in the correct fashion - either by Bradley at the point of attack by not letting Gordon go to his right, or after the shot by Lee rotating in to block Davis, then there is no need to hope for a friendly rebound bounce.   

You remove that variable through deterministic action.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

So PP can have 100 to's in a game, but it's the guys who are not being serious enough who get benched. Great logic doc.
If doc wants to send a message by benching a guy, then maybe he should start doing that to reduce TO's.

We've been way too careless with the ball for years now, Doc should be doing whatever is necessary to fix that. I'm curious to know how many close games have we lost that would have gone the other way if they took better care of the ball.

I agree with all your points. Cs have been sloppy a lot throughout the KG era, and it also seems to me that Doc would never bench Pierce no matter how awful he's playing—whereas one of his "non-pet players" (e.g. Green) is benched at the slightest mistake. Doc also seems to have a similar mindset when it comes to Bass vs. Wilcox, and he also seems inclined to play Crawford a lot, no matter how bad he's playing.

[Celtics18]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

I watched the replay, and it looked to me like Green was working to keep Ryan Anderson from being in position to get a rebound. I think that play was on KG—yes, he came over to help on Gordon, but he was still in good rebounding position, and all he had to do was put a body on Davis, or go up and grab the ball himself, and he didn't do either.

I've watched the replay several times now:

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/2013/03/20/0021201013-bos-noh-play3.nba

and yes, Green is properly (and basically successfully) boxing out Anderson from coming from underneath.   Remember, the goal in that situation isn't necessarily to 'grab the rebound' - they only needed to prevent a put back.

KG actually did the right moves in the sequence - because Gordon beat Bradley to the right side and drove the paint, KG had to release from Davis (who he'd had blocked at the left elbow) to help contest the shot.

What was supposed to happen when KG released is that Lee, who was standing just outside the paint on the left, should have rotated in to block Davis from crashing.

Three things made this play work:

1)  Roberts swung out the the right corner forcing Pierce to setup a full step out from the paint, vacating the right side of the paint.   Nothing done wrong by Paul there, it is what it is.

2) Given that, Bradley needed to force Gordon to go to his left, to the overloaded side.  You HAVE to show him the left side and overplay the right in that situation.  Instead, he tried to square him up and Gordon beat him to his favorite side with the spin move.  Once Gordon penetrated, KG had to collapse.

3) Lee forgot to rotate.  Davis was able to crash and tip it.

A lot of folks are screaming at KG as if this play was his fault.   But the two basic mistakes in the team defense were by Bradley and Lee.

I disagree. I don't think boxing out Anthony Davis was Courtney Lee's assignment.

Garnett didn't move far enough across the paint for Lee to jump down and leave his man wide open spotting up behind the arc. Garnett was in good position to recover to Anthony Davis and box him out. He just didn't do it.

Now if KG moved all the way across to the other side of the paint or rim, then yes, I think it would be Courtney Lee's job to box out Anthony Davis. But Garnett was always in position to recover and box out Davis. He stayed on the same side of the basket + Garnett was in between Davis and the rim. He was only one step away from putting a body on Davis.

It is not like KG went up to challenge the shot and would have been unable to recover to Davis. In that case, again, it is Courtney Lee's assignment.

But the way KG did it, shadowing over to protect the front of the rim left him in good position to both take away that angle on E.Gordon's drive/shot + to recover to his own man once Gordon went down the right hand side of the lane.

I agree with others that it was KG's defensive rebounding error.

On a play earlier in the clock, it is arguable that Lee should not too quickly abandon his man (Vasquez) - but even then, it is normal for the C's to show help & recover in exactly that scenario.   But on a last-second play, there is 100% no reason to worry about a carom that goes all the way to the 3PT line.   There is no reason at that point to worry about the 3PT shooters at all.

To this point - as Gordon drives, you can see Lee abandon his man anyway - he lets Vasquez move off to the top of the key and instead just stands and watches the play.

Both shooters on each side (Vasquez, Roberts) did the same move - towards mid-court.   Pierce actually starts to move  a couple of steps with his man, but stops as there is no point.  Lee, as mentioned, doesn't follow Vasquez at all.

He stood and watched. 

If instead he steps in, it wouldn't take much to have warded Davis off just enough that there would have been no way for him to tip it back in in time.

Rebounding is a crap shoot - you can have great position and great length and elevation and great hands, strength and skill (all of which KG has), but all that only increases your _probability_ of grabbing the rebound.   Other players also have those things.  And the ball bounces - sometimes in funny ways.

(Not to mention - the ball technically never finished bouncing out of the cylinder!).

But if you execute the _team_ defense in the correct fashion - either by Bradley at the point of attack by not letting Gordon go to his right, or after the shot by Lee rotating in to block Davis, then there is no need to hope for a friendly rebound bounce.   

You remove that variable through deterministic action.

After watching, and re-watching that play, I've got to agree with Who and rocknroll.  Yes, KG helped on Gordon, but he didn't extend himself to the point where he wasn't in a position to box Davis out.  He was in a much better position to do so than Lee who would have had to come in from outside the box and put his body on a man much bigger than him.  Garnett was there.  He was boxing out "space" instead of boxing out the man.  He could have easily found Davis with his body, but didn't. 

Oh well, and que sera.  It was a good hustle play by the unibrow and we lost.  There's plenty of blame to go around.  But, KG should have secured that rebound, or at least stopped Davis from getting to it uncontested. 

It's also interesting that OKC lost to Memphis last night on almost the exact same scenario.  I just watched that play on video, and the difference there was that Perk left Marc Gasol to contest the shot by Zach Randolph.  Unlike on the play in our game, though, Perk fully contested and was left in no position to box out Gasol.  Kevin Durant did the right thing and rotated into the paint and tried to put a body on Gasol, but he simply got outmuscled. 

[The Rondo Show]

Yes there was and I believe Doc was just disgusted with guys' attitude...

“It doesn’t matter at the point in the season. It really doesn’t,” Rivers said. “But it does get old and you can just see it. And once you do it, you can’t turn it back on. But I thought once we activated them, you could see the difference in the speed, the way they were playing and the way we were playing in the fourth quarter. We were trying to, ‘Come on … ’ no, you can’t do it now, you turned it off. And you turned them on. So I thought they ran a great play at the end, but we were asleep and we deserved it. I thought we absolutely deserved to lose the game. Whether we won it or not, we deserved to lose the game.”
We don’t learn, because we’ve done this three or four times this year and we just don’t learn. It’s disappointing."

We stopped making passes, we started dancing around, stopped defending, laughing. You could see our guys laughing and joking

Guess that is the reason he was benched

To the people that can't resist blaming Doc every chance they get, there's more than meets the eye.  It's easy to just seat behind your computer and blame a coach that is closer to the action than you'll ever be

Isn't it his job? I'm not a Doc hater, but when he says things like this it annoys me very much