Doc vs Jeff Green moment?

[kgainez]

I missed much of the third so I'm just asking what happened?

I heard on the CB post that Doc and JG seemed to be in a heated discussion on the bench and he was sat from there on out? Is that the truth?

AND
if that is the truth...why doesn't he do it with other players?

[Bahku]

I missed much of the third so I'm just asking what happened?

I heard on the CB post that Doc and JG seemed to be in a heated discussion on the bench and he was sat from there on out? Is that the truth?

AND
if that is the truth...why doesn't he do it with other players?

Green came out with about 7:48 left in the 4th, came back in with around :38 seconds left, (and he played a majority of the third, including the end of the quarter) ... didn't see any argument between him and Doc.

[CelticConcourse]

I missed much of the third so I'm just asking what happened?

I heard on the CB post that Doc and JG seemed to be in a heated discussion on the bench and he was sat from there on out? Is that the truth?

AND
if that is the truth...why doesn't he do it with other players?

Green came out with about 7:48 left in the 4th, came back in with around :38 seconds left, (and he played a majority of the third, including the end of the quarter) ... didn't see any argument between him and Doc.

Don't believe there was one. I think Jeff is just gassed.

[Clench123]

Yes there was and I believe Doc was just disgusted with guys' attitude...

“It doesn’t matter at the point in the season. It really doesn’t,” Rivers said. “But it does get old and you can just see it. And once you do it, you can’t turn it back on. But I thought once we activated them, you could see the difference in the speed, the way they were playing and the way we were playing in the fourth quarter. We were trying to, ‘Come on … ’ no, you can’t do it now, you turned it off. And you turned them on. So I thought they ran a great play at the end, but we were asleep and we deserved it. I thought we absolutely deserved to lose the game. Whether we won it or not, we deserved to lose the game.”
We don’t learn, because we’ve done this three or four times this year and we just don’t learn. It’s disappointing."

We stopped making passes, we started dancing around, stopped defending, laughing. You could see our guys laughing and joking

Guess that is the reason he was benched

To the people that can't resist blaming Doc every chance they get, there's more than meets the eye.  It's easy to just seat behind your computer and blame a coach that is closer to the action than you'll ever be

[Clench123]

Gree deserve to be chewed out

[celticsleyte]

Yes there was and I believe Doc was just disgusted with guys' attitude...

“It doesn’t matter at the point in the season. It really doesn’t,” Rivers said. “But it does get old and you can just see it. And once you do it, you can’t turn it back on. But I thought once we activated them, you could see the difference in the speed, the way they were playing and the way we were playing in the fourth quarter. We were trying to, ‘Come on … ’ no, you can’t do it now, you turned it off. And you turned them on. So I thought they ran a great play at the end, but we were asleep and we deserved it. I thought we absolutely deserved to lose the game. Whether we won it or not, we deserved to lose the game.”
We don’t learn, because we’ve done this three or four times this year and we just don’t learn. It’s disappointing."

We stopped making passes, we started dancing around, stopped defending, laughing. You could see our guys laughing and joking

Guess that is the reason he was benched

To the people that can't resist blaming Doc every chance they get, there's more than meets the eye.  It's easy to just seat behind your computer and blame a coach that is closer to the action than you'll ever be

Maybe they were laughing at Doc's dreadfull lineups he was putting out there.  We do not need three of these guards playing at the same time the way they are playing.

[moiso]

Gree deserve to be chewed out

For being outrebounded by Crawford and Jason Terry?

[moiso]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

[Clench123]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

To be honest, I really don't see this inconsistency with Jeff going away.  I think it's what it is.  Every now and then we'll see a flash of is talent and potential like he showed in with the Heat few games before that.  WHat makes it worse is his attitude towards the game.  I believe he was part of the guys on the sideline laughing and making jokes.  This is not the first time...

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

I watched the replay, and it looked to me like Green was working to keep Ryan Anderson from being in position to get a rebound. I think that play was on KG—yes, he came over to help on Gordon, but he was still in good rebounding position, and all he had to do was put a body on Davis, or go up and grab the ball himself, and he didn't do either.

[celts10]

To be honest, I really don't see this inconsistency with Jeff going away.  I think it's what it is.  Every now and then we'll see a flash of is talent and potential like he showed in with the Heat few games before that.

The inconsistency is what bothers me the most, but I think he'll continue to have more good games than bad ones. I don't know how you feel, but I'd involve Jeff in a small trade package during the offseason for a real good big like Millsap, Cousins, even Gortat. We'll need to find another starting forward but we'll keep Rondo...and then we'll await the decisions regarding Garnett and Pierce. Maybe we won't have to include Jeff, seeing that Danny has a lot of trade chips to work with now.

[LB3533]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

[mmmmm]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

I watched the replay, and it looked to me like Green was working to keep Ryan Anderson from being in position to get a rebound. I think that play was on KG—yes, he came over to help on Gordon, but he was still in good rebounding position, and all he had to do was put a body on Davis, or go up and grab the ball himself, and he didn't do either.

I've watched the replay several times now:

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/2013/03/20/0021201013-bos-noh-play3.nba

and yes, Green is properly (and basically successfully) boxing out Anderson from coming from underneath.   Remember, the goal in that situation isn't necessarily to 'grab the rebound' - they only needed to prevent a put back.

KG actually did the right moves in the sequence - because Gordon beat Bradley to the right side and drove the paint, KG had to release from Davis (who he'd had blocked at the left elbow) to help contest the shot.

What was supposed to happen when KG released is that Lee, who was standing just outside the paint on the left, should have rotated in to block Davis from crashing.

Three things made this play work:

1)  Roberts swung out the the right corner forcing Pierce to setup a full step out from the paint, vacating the right side of the paint.   Nothing done wrong by Paul there, it is what it is.

2) Given that, Bradley needed to force Gordon to go to his left, to the overloaded side.  You HAVE to show him the left side and overplay the right in that situation.  Instead, he tried to square him up and Gordon beat him to his favorite side with the spin move.  Once Gordon penetrated, KG had to collapse.

3) Lee forgot to rotate.  Davis was able to crash and tip it.

A lot of folks are screaming at KG as if this play was his fault.   But the two basic mistakes in the team defense were by Bradley and Lee.

[jojowhite10]

This thread and all the we are better than Rondo threads make me laugh.

Do you all not realize how devoid of talent the Celtics team really is once KG and PP are gone?

You all honestly think it's OK to trash on Rondo and Green when what your team is left with is Avery Bradley, Jet, Lee and Sullinger?

Slowly, Bradley's defense is being overrated. And his offensive game is miles behind light years behind....

Jet is playing mediocre and his age and Doc's usage of him doesn't garner much improvement.

Lee is a serviceable wing, off guard, he's very solid on D, but he is not a center piece to any championship team.

I really would refrain from taking your most talented, younger type players for granted.

I think what people are saying, is that despite the talent he doesn't have the mindset to go out there and battle every night. You mention that our goal is to win a championship, and with Jeff Green going out there and throwing up horrible performances once every 3 or 4 games, we won't win a championship.

He has many excuses, he took a year off from playing basketball. He is still recovering from open heart surgery. But we have seen he still has athletic ability. He needs to rebound, he is 6' 9''. He is soft in too many facets of the game.

[guava_wrench]

There should have been a Doc vs Green moment after the last play.  I just watched the clip several times and Green was in perfect position for that rebound and he never even came out of his crouch position or raised his arms up.  I have no clue what he could have been thinking.  If you are under the rim and the ball is coming down, you try to get the ball.  Little kids understand that but Jeff Green does not.

I watched the replay, and it looked to me like Green was working to keep Ryan Anderson from being in position to get a rebound. I think that play was on KG—yes, he came over to help on Gordon, but he was still in good rebounding position, and all he had to do was put a body on Davis, or go up and grab the ball himself, and he didn't do either.

I've watched the replay several times now:

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/2013/03/20/0021201013-bos-noh-play3.nba

and yes, Green is properly (and basically successfully) boxing out Anderson from coming from underneath.   Remember, the goal in that situation isn't necessarily to 'grab the rebound' - they only needed to prevent a put back.

KG actually did the right moves in the sequence - because Gordon beat Bradley to the right side and drove the paint, KG had to release from Davis (who he'd had blocked at the left elbow) to help contest the shot.

What was supposed to happen when KG released is that Lee, who was standing just outside the paint on the left, should have rotated in to block Davis from crashing.

Three things made this play work:

1)  Roberts swung out the the right corner forcing Pierce to setup a full step out from the paint, vacating the right side of the paint.   Nothing done wrong by Paul there, it is what it is.

2) Given that, Bradley needed to force Gordon to go to his left, to the overloaded side.  You HAVE to show him the left side and overplay the right in that situation.  Instead, he tried to square him up and Gordon beat him to his favorite side with the spin move.  Once Gordon penetrated, KG had to collapse.

3) Lee forgot to rotate.  Davis was able to crash and tip it.

A lot of folks are screaming at KG as if this play was his fault.   But the two basic mistakes in the team defense were by Bradley and Lee.

I feel the KG box out comments some are making are nonsense. He was not in position to seek out Davis. Is KG supposed to stop looking at the ball when it is about to come off the rim to search around for a guy after helping on defense and ending up under the rim?

On the other hand, KG's age was a major factor. In 2008, KG jumps and Davis does get to reach over him. KG jumps and takes the board right as it comes off the rim. That used to be KG's game. He doesn't have the legs for it now, so we instead have to perfectly defend plays like that.