Randolph, T Will, Crawford = fail pickups

[Tr1boy]

- And DJ White might be also but we haven't seen enough of him to judge. He has a nice looking jump shot and moves his feet pretty well. But he looks passive out there and the other game had to have Lee order him to the post so he can help out offensively

- Randolph had his best game last game if that says anything. He is alot more agressive in wanting the ball, but running into blocked shots or driving to the paint and getting stripped like its nothing is embarressing to see. He has as much athleticm as Scal. But at least Scal knew his limitations and can shoot

- T Wills issue before was that he can't create his own shot and is turnover prone. Things haven't changed. And the thing he is good at , which is highlight reel dunks, we have seen none of it

- Jordan Crawford gets you points every other game or so, but its uncomforting how wild he is on the court. He tries to challenge guys ready to block him but doesn't have the athleticm nor skill to finish. Sometimes he throws up a prayer and it goes in. He is nothing like Barbosa who can drive on anybody he wanted to and finish acrobatically pretty regularly

Danny did a poor job getting help for the team.  Johnny Flynn, Semih Erden, Hakim Warrick, Dwayne Jones and even Luke Harangody might be better choices right about now. Danny can't sign randolph for the rest of the year and i would waive T will right about now (its still a headscratcher why you sign an unproved guy for the rest of the year so quickly).

[Fafnir]

All end of bench guys available this late have major warts and issues. If they didn't some other team would have scooped them up at this point.

The names you throw out there don't strike me as better options. You'd have the same topic just about their shortcomings and pining for Randolph, White, Crawford, and Williams.

As for signing Williams for the rest of the year, I think its clear that Danny views him as a potential buy low NBA talent. Physically he's clearly an NBA level guard, so Danny is just seeing if he can get his head straight here.

[Atzar]

Disagree on Terrence Williams.  He's a passer, and it's hard to do well as a passer when you don't even know what offense you're running.  We'll learn more about him next year.

Jordan Crawford is exactly what he was supposed to be - a high-volume shooter.  He's not like Jamal Crawford, but come on - we scraped him off of the Wizards' trash heap.  Expecting him to come in and help a team that thinks of itself as a contender is just setting yourself up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations.

As for the rest, what did you expect?  There's a reason they weren't in the NBA.  It's because they aren't very good.  Once in a blue moon you get a serviceable player like Stiemsma in situations like this, but the majority of these guys don't belong in the NBA.  The rest of the names you listed don't belong up here either.  Randolph and White are practice bodies and roster filler.  Nothing more or less.

[Tr1boy]

Disagree on Terrence Williams.  He's a passer, and it's hard to do well as a passer when you don't even know what offense you're running.  We'll learn more about him next year.

Jordan Crawford is exactly what he was supposed to be - a high-volume shooter.  He's not like Jamal Crawford, but come on - we scraped him off of the Wizards' trash heap.  Expecting him to come in and help a team that thinks of itself as a contender is just setting yourself up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations.

As for the rest, what did you expect?  There's a reason they weren't in the NBA.  It's because they aren't very good.  Once in a blue moon you get a serviceable player like Stiemsma in situations like this, but the majority of these guys don't belong in the NBA.  The rest of the names you listed don't belong up here either.  Randolph and White are practice bodies and roster filler.  Nothing more or less.

But thats not what we need is practice bodies only. You lose one of the best rebounding big guys and you need to try to replace him somehow.

Also in the nba you can't just be a passer. People will not guard you very tight and help defend other players. 

And last thing we need is a chucker or high volume shooter. We need efficiency. Crawford is just ok and turnover prone. Just wild out there on the court and not controlled wild like barbosa

[Lucky17]

Statistically, Crawford's offensive numbers with the Celtics are actually very close to Barbosa's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/bos/cat/scoringEfficiency/boston-celtics

The only metric that Barbosa clearly has it over on Crawford is TOs.

Frankly, I'm still amazed that Ainge managed to turn the injured Barbosa and Jason Collins into a cheap scorer like Crawford. Terrific deal, both for this season, and next.

[kozlodoev]

i would waive T will right about now (its still a headscratcher why you sign an unproved guy for the rest of the year so quickly).

It's a head-scratcher how you didn't bother to check who Terrence Williams is (140 NBA games, an average of 20 mpg, 13.5 pts/7 reb/4.5 assists per 36 minutes).

[wdleehi]

Disagree on Terrence Williams.  He's a passer, and it's hard to do well as a passer when you don't even know what offense you're running.  We'll learn more about him next year.

Jordan Crawford is exactly what he was supposed to be - a high-volume shooter.  He's not like Jamal Crawford, but come on - we scraped him off of the Wizards' trash heap.  Expecting him to come in and help a team that thinks of itself as a contender is just setting yourself up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations.

As for the rest, what did you expect?  There's a reason they weren't in the NBA.  It's because they aren't very good.  Once in a blue moon you get a serviceable player like Stiemsma in situations like this, but the majority of these guys don't belong in the NBA.  The rest of the names you listed don't belong up here either.  Randolph and White are practice bodies and roster filler.  Nothing more or less.

But thats not what we need is practice bodies only. You lose one of the best rebounding big guys and you need to try to replace him somehow.

Also in the nba you can't just be a passer. People will not guard you very tight and help defend other players. 

And last thing we need is a chucker or high volume shooter. We need efficiency. Crawford is just ok and turnover prone. Just wild out there on the court and not controlled wild like barbosa

Of course we want the Celtics to replace these players, but the question is how could they have done better without overpaying in a bad trade?

[Yogi]

This post seems misguided on many levels. 
1.  These guys are all on 10 day contracts, vet min or other extremely cheap deals. 
2.  The truth is none of them have played enough minutes to pass any definitive judgement on except Crawford.
3.  Other than Crawford they are all bodies for insurance, fouls and practice. 
4.  Semih Erden, Luke Harongody and Flynn?  Hard to believe that Ainge passed on such juggernauts of basketball...
5.  These guys all have NBA skills, are relatively young and durable with experience playing in the NBA.  I can't think of a team with a better end of the bench than the Celtics. 
6.  Jordan Crawford is putting up fantastic numbers for the amount of money he is earning.  He's also playing pretty good defense and seems much better at rebounding than Barbosa.
7.  T Will is a project.  He has changed his position from a swingman to a point guard.  That is why we gave him a contract for next year as well.  You should withhold judgment until he gets comfortable with that role.
8.  These guys have come into a completely different situation playing in some horrible conditions and inferior talent level in third world conditions (and also we got some guys from china ) to playing for the Celtics.  They are also not getting regular time to build up a rhythm.  I thought they have done rather well under the circumstance.

I have trouble coming up with how these are "fail pickups."  You're not going to get all stars off the free agency on vet min contracts no matter how badly you want to...

[35Lewis]

I think someone would have preferred if Danny signed them a personal hugger that could comfort them every game.

Seriously, I believe some people create threads that are legit and nobody responds so when they want a lot of responses they create something ridiculous.  Cplaimong about end of bench guys is as bad as hyping up summer league guys.  I've had a few friends that were end of bench guys and I always thought I could take them but obviously they brought something to the table I didn't.

I'm also unsure how this assessment can be made from a living room when Danny and Doc see what these guys bring everyday?

I know I wouldn't like it if someone watched me do my job 8 out of the 45 hour work week and told me how to do it better.

[StartOrien]

Terrence Williams looks like he's got a case of the Marbury's right now.

I hate watching Crawford play, but I can't see how any of these guys are 'fails.' They're adequate end of the bench guys that we gave up almost literally nothing.

The only dissappointment to me this year is letting the Birdman go to Miami. After the Darko experiment failed I thought he was a clear pickup for us and we neglected to get it tdone.

[Lucky17]

The only dissappointment to me this year is letting the Birdman go to Miami. After the Darko experiment failed I thought he was a clear pickup for us and we neglected to get it tdone.

I can get onboard with that. Passing on Kenyon Martin, too. Although perhaps there were chemistry concerns.

[StartOrien]

The only dissappointment to me this year is letting the Birdman go to Miami. After the Darko experiment failed I thought he was a clear pickup for us and we neglected to get it tdone.

I can get onboard with that. Passing on Kenyon Martin, too. Although perhaps there were chemistry concerns.

I don't really have an issue with K-Mart because there seems to be a clear concern they have with him, and all he really provides his depth which I'm not really sure we need.

Birdman was a mistake because he represented something we desperately needed once we let go of Darko (and were actually starting Jason Collins). I'm not sure how we messed that one up.

[LooseCannon]

The only dissappointment to me this year is letting the Birdman go to Miami. After the Darko experiment failed I thought he was a clear pickup for us and we neglected to get it tdone.

I'm not convinced that Birdman ends up in Boston if Ainge really wanted it to happen.

[Tr1boy]

Again my point.

1. We lost Sully and Barbosa = pretty big impact for the team. One guy was starting and another great production off the bench

2. Yes we needed to fill out the roster. But our #1 needs were to somehow to replace all or some of the above guys productions.

3. T will is a passive , turnover prone player with an nba body. Crawford i agree to a point has done enough to prove he is not a total failure. But when i see some games, for example the last one vs the Bobcats and turnover after turnovers, wild play, it just makes me mad.

4. I think there is more talent out there such as a Dwyane Jones that is easily a better rebounder and defender than Randolph. Same for a guard, who can at least shoot or drive in and score once in a while than what T will can provide.

[ScottHow]

Your expectations are way too high for 10day contracts/end of bench guys