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Giving credit
« on: March 09, 2013, 08:10:32 AM »

Offline dmopower

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Ok we have had a large enough sample, now it's time to give props to those with the eye Keen enough to see the Rondo Effect before it was provable.

 There were a few posters on this board that saw the Rondo Effect and called it before he even went down.

 I believe it is appropriate to Take our hats off to these guys and openly recognize their insight.

 I as all of you have watched a ball game with a friend or friends and were watching the same play but saw different things. It happens all of the time.

 Some people watch the ball as it moves while others are watching the weak side motion or lack there of.

 Still there are the fans that seem to see it all. It has been my experience that the ones that see it all, play the game that same way. They just seem to know where everyone is all the time.

 I'm not going to name any names but I would like to take a second to say......Good eye guys!!!

 
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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2013, 09:24:32 AM »

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If you truly believe it is Rondos "fault" then at least 50% of the blame goes to doc.

He was the one playing him 40 minutes, he was the one never taking him out of games, he was the one game planning, he was the one running practices.

Apparently Rondo was doing exactly what Doc wantsd him to do.

Re: Giving credit
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 09:40:35 AM »

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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2013, 09:44:00 AM »

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Yeah I wouldnt argue against any of that. As I said some people see the same thing differently. I like Doc the Man, Don't care for Doc the coach so much.

 But lets keep this thread on topic. 
 
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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2013, 09:46:41 AM »

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Yeah I wouldnt argue against any of that. As I said some people see the same thing differently. I like Doc the Man, Don't care for Doc the coach so much.

 But lets keep this thread on topic.

  What's the topic? That the "Rondo effect" is mainly Doc changing the system and people playing better because they were getting healthier/less rusty?

Re: Giving credit
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2013, 09:51:24 AM »

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I guess the Keep this thread on topic is a little to confusing for some. ;D 

 A classic example of people seeing the same thing and getting different impressions of what they saw.

 You can start another thread to discuss the different opinions. This one is for giving due LOVE!
 
 
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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 09:53:42 AM »

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I guess the Keep this thread on topic is a little to confusing for some. ;D 

 A classic example of people seeing the same thing and getting different impressions of what they saw.

 You can start another thread to discuss the different opinions. This one is for giving due LOVE!

  ...or explaining why LOVE isn't warranted.

Re: Giving credit
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 09:58:42 AM »

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Wow!!!  Its like watching Doc watch Rondo pound the ball for 40 min and never getting a clue ???  ;D

I guess if you don't believe Love isnt warrented, you might be in the wrong thread.
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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2013, 10:06:35 AM »

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Wow!!!  Its like watching Doc watch Rondo pound the ball for 40 min and never getting a clue ???  ;D

I guess if you don't believe Love isnt warrented, you might be in the wrong thread.

  It's probably more like watching Doc watch Rondo pound the ball for 3-4 minutes and convincing yourself it happened for 40 minutes after reading some nonsensical posts on celticsblog. You should see if the mods have a special section where you can start threads where nobody's allowed to disagree with you, maybe like the optimism/feel good thread.

Re: Giving credit
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2013, 10:17:15 AM »

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Dude I said we could start a differend thread for debating. I love debating but honestly I believe your being a little rude at this point.
 
 Can we keep this thread on topic. This cant be to confusing for you. ::)
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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2013, 10:43:10 AM »

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Dude I said we could start a differend thread for debating. I love debating but honestly I believe your being a little rude at this point.
 
 Can we keep this thread on topic. This cant be to confusing for you. ::)

  Sorry about that. If I started a thread on Chris Wilcox playing great basketball and someone disagreed with me they'd traditionally voice their comment in my thread, not start a second thread entitled "Chris Wilcox is playing like crap" that nobody that disagreed with that sentiment could post in. I wasn't trying to be rude.

Re: Giving credit
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2013, 10:49:39 AM »

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Ok we have had a large enough sample, now it's time to give props to those with the eye Keen enough to see the Rondo Effect before it was provable.

 There were a few posters on this board that saw the Rondo Effect and called it before he even went down.

 I believe it is appropriate to Take our hats off to these guys and openly recognize their insight.

 I as all of you have watched a ball game with a friend or friends and were watching the same play but saw different things. It happens all of the time.

 Some people watch the ball as it moves while others are watching the weak side motion or lack there of.

 Still there are the fans that seem to see it all. It has been my experience that the ones that see it all, play the game that same way. They just seem to know where everyone is all the time.

 I'm not going to name any names but I would like to take a second to say......Good eye guys!!!

Thank you.

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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2013, 11:15:23 AM »

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If you truly believe it is Rondos "fault" then at least 50% of the blame goes to doc.

He was the one playing him 40 minutes, he was the one never taking him out of games, he was the one game planning, he was the one running practices.

Apparently Rondo was doing exactly what Doc wantsd him to do.

I don't think it was Rondo's fault. The Coach should have full control over his players. That's why I think Doc sucks. He does Coach well when things are going well but Avery Bradley made that happen not Doc.

Re: Giving credit
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2013, 11:30:03 AM »

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I think it is tough to blame Doc.  He is doing what he can with the players he has.  Rondo can't play this style offense because simply put he has a bad outside shot and defenders cheat off of him.  It will be very difficult next year to reincorporate Rondo into this offense because it simply doesn't fit his skill set. 

Rondo's effectiveness in our offense came from a very calculated offense which depended on great court vision and incredible timing.  He is great at finding guys that can't necessarily create for themselves.  The two best examples of this are Ray Allen and Brandon Bass.  Another player I might include would be Wilcox.  It also didn't hurt to have PP and KG alongside him.  In my opinion, Green, Bradley, and Sullinger are the team's future and these players don't need a "true" point guard, they need a guard who can consistently hit 18 footers.

My whole thing with Rondo is that it is incredibly difficult to build around him.  I think if the Celtics were to trade him they should move Bass along with him since they compliment each other.  Call every GM and say the two are available as a package for the best guard (that can also hit an outside shot) or center.

In terms of what he will be asked to do when he comes back, we will asking Rondo not be be Rondo, and if he is not Rondo then who does he become?  He is not a good shooter so there is not really a point in moving without the ball or trying to get open outside.  He just adds one more pass needed to find a guy who can shoot.  Defenders can sag of him, the court shrinks again and there is one less player who can put the ball in from outside.


Re: Giving credit
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2013, 11:32:24 AM »

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If you truly believe it is Rondos "fault" then at least 50% of the blame goes to doc.

He was the one playing him 40 minutes, he was the one never taking him out of games, he was the one game planning, he was the one running practices.

Apparently Rondo was doing exactly what Doc wantsd him to do.

I don't think it was Rondo's fault. The Coach should have full control over his players. That's why I think Doc sucks. He does Coach well when things are going well but Avery Bradley made that happen not Doc.

  In the early season games our defense was pretty bad, in no small part because we had so many players trying to learn a new system and that led to a lot of breakdowns from missed rotations and the like. The fact that it took time for the defense to start playing better wasn't really Doc's fault and the fact that they missed all those rotations early in the year wasn't because of Bradley. His return obviously helped our defense but it was already starting to play better before he started playing.