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Ryan Kelly
« on: March 02, 2013, 10:56:29 PM »

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I would trade down in the first round if possible and take this kid.  He was the #3 rated defender in the nation prior to his injury!!  He is a heady player that rarely makes mistakes on offense or defense.  He does NOT need shots!!  He is a nice shot blocker. He has a fantastic 3-point shot!! He is a great FT shooter.

I don't care if he is NOT projected in the first round.  Get him Danny.

6'11" with range.

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Re: Ryan Kelly
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2013, 12:22:01 AM »

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I think I said this already but I like his game.

He's one of those Dukies who wont start but would do everything he's asked at a high effort level. He'll set hard picks, hustle on defense, boxes oyt and rebound and does not need to take a ton of shots, but wont hesitatet when open. He doesnt have NBA athleticism and im not sure how his strength would hold up, but know the kid doesnt mind being physical.

Add his range and you have a very solid bsck up PF for cheap. I think he can be hadnin the 2nd.
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Re: Ryan Kelly
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2013, 12:43:58 AM »

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I watched the Duke v Hurricanes game, Miami played well but Shane Larkin was unlucky missing both 3s at the end.

Call me skeptical but Ryan Kelly reminds me too much of Danny Ferry and Chris Laettner, 2nd rounder sounds about right.

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These guys are already under contract for next season.  In addition we probably have some interest in bringing back Barbosa, Wilcox and Collins.  We would most certainly not trade down to get multiple draft picks with roster spots at such a premium. 

Danny is more likely to move the pick as part of a package to get another piece or if nothing good is available simply keep the first round pick and draft the best available talent to develop in the d league. 

Ryan Kelly is probably not NBA talent.  If he's lucky he can carve out a niche like Steve Novak.  But I doubt anyone would trade a first rounder even for Steve Novak. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 02:30:30 AM »

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1. He plays for Duke. Overachieving, unathletic individuals that fail in the pros. Coaching will not follow them. Their crappy genes will.
2. He literally looks like the monster from the Goonies.
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Re: Ryan Kelly
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2013, 06:22:30 AM »

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I think I said this already but I like his game.

He's one of those Dukies who wont start but would do everything he's asked at a high effort level. He'll set hard picks, hustle on defense, boxes oyt and rebound and does not need to take a ton of shots, but wont hesitatet when open. He doesnt have NBA athleticism and im not sure how his strength would hold up, but know the kid doesnt mind being physical.

Add his range and you have a very solid bsck up PF for cheap. I think he can be hadnin the 2nd.

Im retracting this statement. I think he's worth a mid to late round first after what I saw from him in the Miami game.

I think he's a Bargnani type player that plays better defense. I get that Duke's big men are normally nonathletic and therefore could not play in the NBA, but he has a unique skill set for a big man that could be very useful even if it's coming off the bench. He can stretch the floor and hit 2-3 threes on maybe 5-6 shots. I think he's long enough to do some damage in the paint as well.

And, as much as Duke's big men are slow and nonathletic, they never lack effort. Guys like McRoberts, Zoubek and Miles PLumlee may not be top tier or mid tier big men, but never did they lack in effort, and I see the same in Ryan Kelly. He may not be that strong or that quick, but he certainly would not give up on plays. Add his shooting, range and scoring ability, yeah I will take him in the first round at around 20-ish.
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Re: Ryan Kelly
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 07:17:00 AM »

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I can't image Kelly not making it in the nba

He has a solid bball iq
Great pf size 6'11 with matching wingspan at 232lbs
Gives great defensive effort
Has one elite nba offensive skill (3pt shooting)

I can easy see Kelly having a Matt bonner like career. I also see him at a simulate level to bass as a pro.  Both bass and Kelly have one major offensive skill ( jump shot/3 pt), neither good rebounders, solid defenders ( bass with quickness Kelly with size and iq).

I wouldn't hesitate if I where Danny to trade down for Kelly and would take him anywhere outside the top15 without hesitation.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 09:11:04 AM »

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Rondo - Lee - Williams
Bradley - Terry - Crawford
Pierce - Green
Sullinger - Bass
KG - Melo

These guys are already under contract for next season.  In addition we probably have some interest in bringing back Barbosa, Wilcox and Collins.  We would most certainly not trade down to get multiple draft picks with roster spots at such a premium. 

Danny is more likely to move the pick as part of a package to get another piece or if nothing good is available simply keep the first round pick and draft the best available talent to develop in the d league. 

Ryan Kelly is probably not NBA talent.  If he's lucky he can carve out a niche like Steve Novak.  But I doubt anyone would trade a first rounder even for Steve Novak.
I think you have a good point about the roster being pretty full with who we already have under contract and who Danny would like to bring back.  However, I think 6 guards, 7 with Barbosa, is overkill.  I can see Danny moving JET and possibly Lee (or Crawford) with Bass to get a good big man and only bringing Wilcox back-- not both Wilcox and Collins.

Those move would open the door for a pick.  I'm not saying Kelly is that pick but if Danny brings him in for a workout and he looks good, I could see Danny possibly working a deal to drop back to pick him while grabbing another asset like a future pick as well (possibly a second rounder a few years out). 

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 09:24:35 AM »

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A first rounder on Ryan Kelly?  Yikes.

He's a classic college player.  But when someone is 6'11", plays good defense, can make the outside shot, and plays for one of the top teams in the country, and yet no one has mentioned him as a first round talent in a pretty weak draft class, don't you think you might be overlooking something if you want him in the first round?  The wisdom of crowds is often wise.

I'm sure Ainge is aware of the existence of Ryan Kelly, and I wouldn't mind him grabbing a late second-rounder to pick him up, except for the fact that there will be Free Ryan Kelly posts on this message board when Doc doesn't play him.  Which he won't, not because Doc hates rookies (I would hope Sullinger has broken that myth), but because Ryan Kelly does not have the ability to crack an NBA rotation. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 10:09:22 AM »

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I can't see Kelly going in the first round even in a weak draft.  It's nice that he can shoot but bigs also have to be able to rebound and despite being a good defender in college, it's hard to see him being a good defender at the next level.  He's just too limited to be a first rounder. I can't see Ainge selected him in the mid to late first round because he has a type in the first round--lengthy athletes and/or draft day sliders like Gerald Green and Sullinger--but I'd be p---ed if he takes Kelly in that range.   

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I can't see Kelly going in the first round even in a weak draft.  It's nice that he can shoot but bigs also have to be able to rebound and despite being a good defender in college, it's hard to see him being a good defender at the next level.  He's just too limited to be a first rounder. I can't see Ainge selected him in the mid to late first round because he has a type in the first round--lengthy athletes and/or draft day sliders like Gerald Green and Sullinger--but I'd be p---ed if he takes Kelly in that range.   

I disagree in a way.

He doesnt have the tools to be a dominant defender athleticism wise, but he has been showing effort in doing so. He's rotations on Duke is spot on, meaning he can pick up schemes on defense no problem. He hustles, challenges shots. Sure he can be out muscled but he aint giving up on plays.

He has the length to be bothersome on defense as well. Add his shooting, range and scoring ability in the pain (he has a very good touch underneath).

Of course we will not question his high character and high BBIQ. He knows when and where to pick spots. Doesn't play lazy.



He's really Bargnani with better defense. He's only real knack is his limited athleticism, in which if he had, he's surely top 5. And as an 8th man, a backup 4 who will play 15-20 minutes, he's a great pickup at the 15-30 range.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 10:30:54 AM »

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I can't see Kelly going in the first round even in a weak draft.  It's nice that he can shoot but bigs also have to be able to rebound and despite being a good defender in college, it's hard to see him being a good defender at the next level.  He's just too limited to be a first rounder. I can't see Ainge selected him in the mid to late first round because he has a type in the first round--lengthy athletes and/or draft day sliders like Gerald Green and Sullinger--but I'd be p---ed if he takes Kelly in that range.   

I disagree in a way.

He doesnt have the tools to be a dominant defender athleticism wise, but he has been showing effort in doing so. He's rotations on Duke is spot on, meaning he can pick up schemes on defense no problem. He hustles, challenges shots. Sure he can be out muscled but he aint giving up on plays.

He has the length to be bothersome on defense as well. Add his shooting, range and scoring ability in the pain (he has a very good touch underneath).

Of course we will not question his high character and high BBIQ. He knows when and where to pick spots. Doesn't play lazy.



He's really Bargnani with better defense. He's only real knack is his limited athleticism, in which if he had, he's surely top 5. And as an 8th man, a backup 4 who will play 15-20 minutes, he's a great pickup at the 15-30 range.

Kelly does not have great length or even good length for his position.  His wingspan is about his height, 6'11-ish.  NBA players go up against big men with 7'3 or longer wingspans all the time and most of those guys jumper higher and quicker than Kelly too.  Kelly's physical tools don't project him to be a good defender at all.  It's nice that he can possibly anticipate what goes on but he has to have the quickness to actually get there and then have the physical ability to get a stop once he's there.  No big man with the type of physical tools Kelly has is a good defender. 


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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 10:57:54 AM »

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I can't see Kelly going in the first round even in a weak draft.  It's nice that he can shoot but bigs also have to be able to rebound and despite being a good defender in college, it's hard to see him being a good defender at the next level.  He's just too limited to be a first rounder. I can't see Ainge selected him in the mid to late first round because he has a type in the first round--lengthy athletes and/or draft day sliders like Gerald Green and Sullinger--but I'd be p---ed if he takes Kelly in that range.   

I disagree in a way.

He doesnt have the tools to be a dominant defender athleticism wise, but he has been showing effort in doing so. He's rotations on Duke is spot on, meaning he can pick up schemes on defense no problem. He hustles, challenges shots. Sure he can be out muscled but he aint giving up on plays.

He has the length to be bothersome on defense as well. Add his shooting, range and scoring ability in the pain (he has a very good touch underneath).

Of course we will not question his high character and high BBIQ. He knows when and where to pick spots. Doesn't play lazy.



He's really Bargnani with better defense. He's only real knack is his limited athleticism, in which if he had, he's surely top 5. And as an 8th man, a backup 4 who will play 15-20 minutes, he's a great pickup at the 15-30 range.

I don't watch the Raptors enough, but if it is true that Ryan Kelly is bargnani with better defense, this would go a long way in explaining why the Raptors are not a good team.  And that is not meant s a compliment to Ryan Kelly.

Playing defense in the NBA is more than making good rotations.  It's more than just being athletic.  It's both.  The players are incredibly strong and quick.  They cover 10 feet in two steps, jump high, and are very physical.  You have to be in the right place at the right time, but that requires a lot of quickness.  Knowing where to be and getting there in time are two different things.  Once you're in place, you have to be strong enough up hold your position against big men down low, or agile enough to affect a smaller player's shot without fouling.  After your man shoots the ball, you then need to be quick enough and strong enough to fight for the rebound.  If NBA scouts believed Kelly could do this, he would be talked about as maybe having end-of-the-lottery projection, especially in this draft.  But he's not even in discussion for the first round, except on this message board.

Another concern is that he's only shooting 45% from inside the arc.  As he's shooting 56% from three, that's quite troubling, as it means he's lacking the strength to finish inside at the college level, which is a major indicator that he doesn't have NBA strength. 

Also, I feel that Kelly's 3-point numbers are a bit of a mirage this year.  Firstly, he's had a 16-point jump from last year to this year.  Secondly, compared to someone like Steve Novak, he doesn't shoot that many 3's, which probably means the offense he plays in helps him get better shots than similar players at other schools.  For instance, Steve Novak took more 3's in his senior year than Ryan Kelly has in his entire collegiate career.  Coach K is a great coach.  If Ryan Kelly could shoot like Steve Novak, don't you think he'd try to get Kelly more shots?

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Kelly will be one of those classic stretch 4's that gets drafted so teams can go small with four three point shooters.  A lot like Bonner and Ryan Anderson.  He's a second-rounder.

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1. He plays for Duke. Overachieving, unathletic individuals that fail in the pros. Coaching will not follow them. Their crappy genes will.
2. He literally looks like the monster from the Goonies.
3. He plays for Duke - the most annoying basketball team on the planet, year in and year out.
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I see a few on that list of current DUKE players in the NBA that poo poo your idea that Duke players can't make it in the NBA. And that's not even listing all the former NBA Duke players. Duke is one of the greatest College Basketball programs ever. They have one of the greatest Basketball coaches of all time. And they have more players in the NBA now then the Tarholes. They also have more starters in the NBA now then the NIT Tarholes.
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