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Early Returns on Melo
« on: October 19, 2012, 11:53:52 AM »

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I'm hoping Melo can turn into something, maybe just a good defensive center who can rebound. But the early returns look rugged to me. He he just seems awkward and completely out of place at the moment.

The guy I wanted with 22 was Festus Ezeli - just thought he'd be a good pick. Tough, physical, pretty athletic and a good rim protector as well. Perry Jones was obviously on the radar, but with Jeff Green in the fold, I thought the combo of Sully and Ezeli would give us much needed toughness and rebounding.

I know Melo is young and is apparently a good learner and hard worker - and I remember it also took Perk 3-4 years before he coudl start, but do you guys think Melo can/will really "get there?".

What are your early returns on him?   
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Re: Early Returns on Melo
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 12:04:05 PM »

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I'm psyched about Melo.  Although he definitely looks clueless out there much of the time, particularly on offense, I like his agility and footwork on the defensive end for a guy his size.  I think he'll turn into a very good protector of the lane. 

That's all I ask of him.  I don't care if he never turns into an offensive force.  Look at Tyson Chandler.  That guy is a very valuable NBA center because of his defensive presence.  Nobody seems to care that he can only score on pick and roll lobs and put backs.  I'm not saying that I know that he'll ever be as good as Chandler, but that's the dream. 

If he's still 15th on the depth chart midway through next season, then my dreams may start to get extinguished.  But, I'm willing to give him some time. 
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Re: Early Returns on Melo
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 12:11:44 PM »

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Quote from: ScoobyDoo on October 19, 2012, 11:53:52 AM
I'm hoping Melo can turn into something, maybe just a good defensive center who can rebound. But the early returns look rugged to me. He he just seems awkward and completely out of place at the moment.

The guy I wanted with 22 was Festus Ezeli - just thought he'd be a good pick. Tough, physical, pretty athletic and a good rim protector as well. Perry Jones was obviously on the radar, but with Jeff Green in the fold, I thought the combo of Sully and Ezeli would give us much needed toughness and rebounding.

I know Melo is young and is apparently a good learner and hard worker - and I remember it also took Perk 3-4 years before he coudl start, but do you guys think Melo can/will really "get there?".

What are your early returns on him?
I also wanted Ezeli instead of Melo. I be surprise if Melo will still be in the league in 4 years.  He was one guy i was hoping the Celtics would pass on. But hope he proves me wrong
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 12:18:27 PM »

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I think a year or two playing in Maine will do Melo wonders. Whether that means he ever becomes an NBA player is beyond me, but he will need that time to develop. He is just nowhere near ready to be playing in NBA games.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 12:27:18 PM »

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Quote from: nickagneta on October 19, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
I think a year or two playing in Maine will do Melo wonders. Whether that means he ever becomes an NBA player is beyond me, but he will need that time to develop. He is just nowhere near ready to be playing in NBA games.
I'd rather see Fab Melo stick around here and work with a big man coach.

I think it's more about learning fundamentals than game experience for Fab Melo. I don't think the D-League will help him.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 12:28:32 PM »

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eh would of rathered PJ and darko
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 12:41:52 PM »

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any expectations for Melo for the next 2 years are not realistic.  the kid was a known project when he was drafted and has shown to be as raw as expected.  if in his 3rd year he doesn't at least look like a decent backup big man that we can use over the likes of Collins and Wilcox (I'd have said Darko too but he's looking pretty solid this preseason) then I'll consider him a good pick by Danny.  I didn't want him on draft night -- wanted Perry Jones since he was still on the board -- but if he fills the need for a big man on this team and does it well, then good for the C's.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 12:44:04 PM »

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Quote from: Who on October 19, 2012, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: nickagneta on October 19, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
I think a year or two playing in Maine will do Melo wonders. Whether that means he ever becomes an NBA player is beyond me, but he will need that time to develop. He is just nowhere near ready to be playing in NBA games.
I'd rather see Fab Melo stick around here and work with a big man coach.

I think it's more about learning fundamentals than game experience for Fab Melo. I don't think the D-League will help him.
I am sure the Celtics could afford to send a big man coach to Maine to work with Melo that allows him to be taught what the Celtics need him to be taught as well as get him the playing time to put into practice the coaching he would receive.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 12:51:49 PM »

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Regarding Ezeli: Ezeli reminds me of a larger version of Ben Wallace. Just tough and physical around the rim - KG and Ezeli would have been a great combo IMHO. In summer league he appeared more athletic than I thought. He's like a much more athletic version of Perkins to me.

Anyway, melo seems like a good kid by all accounts and as someone said which is true, he does have good lateral foot speed for a big man. Very good length.

I'm pulling for him to break out at some point in the next 1-3 years. Will be looking very much forward to the moment when he learns how to spin, seal and block out guys with that big body so that he can clear some real glass. If he can do that, be good with rotations and use his length to protect the rim, we will definitely have something.

It's dicey right now though for me...     
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 12:58:21 PM »

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Quote from: slamtheking on October 19, 2012, 12:41:52 PM
any expectations for Melo for the next 2 years are not realistic.  the kid was a known project when he was drafted and has shown to be as raw as expected.  if in his 3rd year he doesn't at least look like a decent backup big man that we can use over the likes of Collins and Wilcox (I'd have said Darko too but he's looking pretty solid this preseason) then I'll consider him a good pick by Danny.  I didn't want him on draft night -- wanted Perry Jones since he was still on the board -- but if he fills the need for a big man on this team and does it well, then good for the C's.
yep
no pressure for melo for 2-3 years, almost like bradley, work him slowly into it
if he can give us 10 minutes a night 2 years from now that will be good
kid has the raw physical skills to be a good shot blocking center, will the rest develop?
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 01:27:35 PM »

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I think that this is a question for next year. He'll only see the floor in garbage time this year, if that.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 01:37:28 PM »

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Quote from: nickagneta on October 19, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Quote from: Who on October 19, 2012, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: nickagneta on October 19, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
I think a year or two playing in Maine will do Melo wonders. Whether that means he ever becomes an NBA player is beyond me, but he will need that time to develop. He is just nowhere near ready to be playing in NBA games.
I'd rather see Fab Melo stick around here and work with a big man coach.

I think it's more about learning fundamentals than game experience for Fab Melo. I don't think the D-League will help him.
I am sure the Celtics could afford to send a big man coach to Maine to work with Melo that allows him to be taught what the Celtics need him to be taught as well as get him the playing time to put into practice the coaching he would receive.

I don't know.

I just think it's pretty rare to see a player improve while in the D-League. I see more young players coming back with bad habits that get exposed at the NBA level than I do players coming back with improved games.

The talent level is just so much lower both in terms of physical talent and skill-level. Especially, physical talent, for big men. So many guys who either do not have NBA level quickness or NBA level size/bulk/length. You learn how to defend and/or attack against the types of players you'll never face in the NBA.

The only players I have seen develop there are (1) tweeners (2) physically underdeveloped players who cannot compete at an NBA level yet, and, (3) players who need more game experience.

I'd rather keep Fab Melo here. I think staying here would be better for him.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2012, 01:54:34 PM »

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Question for general discussion:

Who in the NBA fits the profile of "Known Project upon entering draft" that showed nothing for 2 years or more that developed into a decent or better player?

Ben Wallace comes to mind, though in terms of showing "something" he had >10 boards, >2 blocks and > 1.5 steals per 36 minutes his first 2 seasons.

Jermaine Oneal was a 14.5/9.7/2 blocks per 36 as a rookie, so you could see that coming.


Basically I'm curious: I always hear about "projects," but it seems to me that "projects," if they are ever going to be "something," have pretty telling per minute averages early in their careers. It seems to very rarely work like baseball or something. Rather, it seems that "projects" if successful have excellent per minute averages right away that just improve and are maintained as minutes expand (like Big Al).



Thoughts?
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 02:12:50 PM »

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Quote from: Fan from VT on October 19, 2012, 01:54:34 PM
Question for general discussion:

Who in the NBA fits the profile of "Known Project upon entering draft" that showed nothing for 2 years or more that developed into a decent or better player?

Ben Wallace comes to mind, though in terms of showing "something" he had >10 boards, >2 blocks and > 1.5 steals per 36 minutes his first 2 seasons.

Jermaine Oneal was a 14.5/9.7/2 blocks per 36 as a rookie, so you could see that coming.


Basically I'm curious: I always hear about "projects," but it seems to me that "projects," if they are ever going to be "something," have pretty telling per minute averages early in their careers. It seems to very rarely work like baseball or something. Rather, it seems that "projects" if successful have excellent per minute averages right away that just improve and are maintained as minutes expand (like Big Al).



Thoughts?
Gerald Wallace.
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2012, 02:27:09 PM »

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Quote from: moiso on October 19, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Fan from VT on October 19, 2012, 01:54:34 PM
Question for general discussion:

Who in the NBA fits the profile of "Known Project upon entering draft" that showed nothing for 2 years or more that developed into a decent or better player?

Ben Wallace comes to mind, though in terms of showing "something" he had >10 boards, >2 blocks and > 1.5 steals per 36 minutes his first 2 seasons.

Jermaine Oneal was a 14.5/9.7/2 blocks per 36 as a rookie, so you could see that coming.


Basically I'm curious: I always hear about "projects," but it seems to me that "projects," if they are ever going to be "something," have pretty telling per minute averages early in their careers. It seems to very rarely work like baseball or something. Rather, it seems that "projects" if successful have excellent per minute averages right away that just improve and are maintained as minutes expand (like Big Al).



Thoughts?
Gerald Wallace.

Even he was a 14.5/7.5/2.3/1.6/.5 per 36 minutes. Pretty good.
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