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Offline bfrombleacher

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Or all?

For example:

Drafting Sully: Genius

Extending KG: 60% genius, 35% lucky, 5% lunacy.

It's a bit crazy because of the length and the size of the contract.

It's lucky because KG could have retired. I think if Rondo was swapped for Chris Paul and we didn't win the chip, we would have lost KG.

But mostly genius because right now, the locker room is amazing. I attribute Darko's seeming breakthrough so far to this locker room.

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Sully and Darko SO FAR have been better than expected - time will tell on both though

hope Wilcox can get healthy again
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I like the thread.

I think in analyzing his moves, though, they shouldn't be viewed individually, but rather as a composite, taking into account the way these players' skills compliment each other and mesh together as well as their personalities and their common hunger.

While only time will tell, I think that given the mosaic criteria above Danny's moves were masterful, given the $$$ he had to work with and what talent was available.

It's up to Doc now to best utilize those pieces.

We now have depth and versatility up the ying-yang. Let's grind every team into the ground. Go Cs!!!
« Last Edit: October 12, 2012, 11:30:37 AM by csfansince60s »

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Well, the Lee trade was both luck and lunacy, because that was just crazy.

I might be the only one that thinks the Jeff Green signing might prove to be Genius.

JET was luck.

And I think Darko is genius as well.  Our system, coach, and locker room are, for the first time in his career, exactly what he needs to perform as well as he can.  And I still think that that's pretty good.  He's no Divac, and not even a Pau Gasol, but he'll fit in nicely and be a solid piece, IMO.

And I think Danny should only be allowed to pick at #21 from now on.   ;D

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genius. pure genius.

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Here are the moves I can think of this off-season:

Drafting Sully - Of the three options, I put this in the "lucky" category, just because Sully should never have slid this far.  Kudos to Danny for making the obvious pick.

Drafting Melo - I get Danny's reasoning, but of the three imperfect options, I pick "lunancy".  We were able to fill the center position with guys who can contribute now, and Perry Jones was still on the board.

Drafting Joseph - Pretty irrelevant in my mind.

Re-Signing KG - "Genius".  There's some risk here, but I think it was really smart to continue to try to "win now".

Signing Terry - 50 percent genius for targeting the perfect player, 50 percent luck for Dallas not matching.

Sign-and-trading for Lee - Genius.  The deal was fairly complicated, and Danny got a great Ray replacement.

Signing Collins - Meh.  I'll go with lunacy, because I would have preferred Chris Andersen.  The Darko signing mitigated a lot of my disappointment, though, and Collins isn't a bad deep bench option.  7-footers who can't score, can't rebound, and can't block shots are perhaps a bit overrated, though.

Re-signing Wilcox - Lucky, I guess, that we got a decent player because of his health issues last year.

Signing Darko - Lucky that he was still available for the minimum.

Signing Christmas - Irrelevant

Signing Smith - Irrelevant

Signing Dooling - Smart signing, followed by bad luck.

Re-Signing Green - A bit of lunacy signing him to that contract, but it was smart to bring him back into the fold

Re-Signing Bass - Genius last season for bringing him in; smart move re-signing him at a decent contract



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I humbly suggest adding a "common sense" option

Drafting Sullinger - COMMON SENSE. It's luck that we were in a position to capitalize (especially lucky we were picking behind Denver, one of only a handfull of teams that wouldn't have scooped him up), but pulling the trigger was common sense.

Drafting Melo - LUNACY. I get it, he's big and has potential. The same could be said for draft tumblers Perry Jones and Arnett Moultrie, who both look much more NBA ready and also have huge upside. I'm not even convinced he was the best project center on the board. I'll also note that we are a poor rebounding team whose best rebounder is getting very old. Moultrie is an excellent rebounder and Melo is abysmal.

Drafting Joseph - COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Good luck in Europe or wherever.

Re-Signing KG - COMMON SENSE

Signing Terry -GENIUS

Sign-and-trading for Lee - GENIUS

Signing Collins - COMMON SENSE. Needed a cheap veteran big who can sit at the end of the bench, play some defense, and be a good soldier. You'd do this move regardless of Bird Man.

Re-signing Wilcox - COMMON SENSE. Cheap, knows your team, has shown you something before, hungry.

Signing Darko - COMMON SENSE. The Melo-philes have a point, gigantic centers with half a brain are useful, even when they're lousy. Yeah, you already have Collins, but it's a no brainer depth move.

Signing Christmas - IRRELEVANT

Signing Smith - IRRELEVANT

Signing Dooling - COMMON SENSE. You need a backup PG, he's cheap and he's been an asset before. The best you can find on the market is Mike Bibby. Of course you resign him.

Re-Signing Green - GENIUS/LUNACY. The line between the two can be a thin one. Time will tell.

Re-Signing Bass - COMMON SENSE. It was sneaky, but somewhere along the line I'm pretty sure Bass became the fourth most important player on this team.

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Drafting Melo - I get Danny's reasoning, but of the three imperfect options, I pick "lunancy".  We were able to fill the center position with guys who can contribute now, and Perry Jones was still on the board.

In the Thunder's first pre-season game, they started Lazar Hayward over Jones.  If the guy turns into a stud and doesn't develop knee issues, I officially invite everyone who wanted him drafted to gloat 24-7, 365.  Until then, can there be a moratorium on "We should have drafted Perry Jones" talk?

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Drafting Melo - I get Danny's reasoning, but of the three imperfect options, I pick "lunancy".  We were able to fill the center position with guys who can contribute now, and Perry Jones was still on the board.

In the Thunder's first pre-season game, they started Lazar Hayward over Jones.  If the guy turns into a stud and doesn't develop knee issues, I officially invite everyone who wanted him drafted to gloat 24-7, 365.  Until then, can there be a moratorium on "We should have drafted Perry Jones" talk?

Mike
But what if?

Perry Jones would be in a better position to succeed with the Celtics rather than the Thunder.

And what if Melo turns out to be a bust? That's more of a possibility than Jones being a bust.
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Its early to do much more than guess. Based on a couple preseason games and summer league.

KG ... it starts here , without him , this would be a rebuilding year at best.  "GENIUS"

JET was being "SMART" maybe genius getting his paws on him early on.

Lee ...quick thinking, move to shore up Allens departure. Lucky move.

Sully was a bit  "good luck"  we were do after losing some really good players to tragity over the years. Lucky

Green , BASS , and Wilcox all common sense resigns .

Fab Melo ...common sense given what was left on hand , and Danny was committed to getting a YOUNG CENTER, great choice , best true center left in the draft with mega untapped potiential upside.  Not a genius move,  a common sense  cheap way to pick up a 7 ft NBA body . Needs couple years work. ;)

Dumping JJJ  ...common sense ;D 

Joseph ... "gamble" on a late round.  I like his game. leading scorer on a awesome team . The scouts liked what they saw. I like him better than Moore or JJJ.

I don't see any glaring stupid or lunacy moves THIS YEAR.

Still unforgiven and crazy from the past:
Dumping Perk ..at a time we were making a run ..was lunacy from Danny. Fortunately for Danny, CP3 expressed his hate of the Celtics and ther deal didn't happen.
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Drafting Melo - I get Danny's reasoning, but of the three imperfect options, I pick "lunancy".  We were able to fill the center position with guys who can contribute now, and Perry Jones was still on the board.

In the Thunder's first pre-season game, they started Lazar Hayward over Jones.  If the guy turns into a stud and doesn't develop knee issues, I officially invite everyone who wanted him drafted to gloat 24-7, 365.  Until then, can there be a moratorium on "We should have drafted Perry Jones" talk?

Mike
But what if?

Perry Jones would be in a better position to succeed with the Celtics rather than the Thunder.

And what if Melo turns out to be a bust? That's more of a possibility than Jones being a bust.

He would? Considering we already drafted Sullinger, planned to bring back KG, Bass, and Green, who can all play the 4, on multi-year contracts,  I'm not sure Perry Jones would have been a smart choice. Plus I don't think Danny wanted to draft two guys who play the same position.

If you ask me, I think Melo was inevitable because his potential working alongside KG could help him tremendously in a few years. I think Danny was really contemplating between Sully and PJIII. But thats just me.

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Drafting Sullinger: Luck. That "bulging discs" report does not come out, we don't come close to getting him. So far it looks like Sully has the upper hand on PJIII, so that makes the move have a little genius to it as well.

Drafting Melo: INDIFFERENT. I have no opinion on this until we see what Fab Melo can do, and that won't be for a while. I'd put this as a "Stay Tuned".

Bringing back KG: Genius. He's the defensive cornerstone of this team and we needed him to be back. Especially with KG coming at a discount so that we could sign other players we had bird rights on makes the move all the better.

Bringing back Green: The contract for now seems a bit like lunacy, but I'd prefer him over a veterans minimum contract. Plus he undoubtedly has the potential to make the move look genius, and he's shown great progression so far.

Brining back Bass: After we drafted Sullinger, I was skeptical that Danny would be able to bring him back, but he did, and at a pretty reasonable deal too. I call it genius because it makes our team all the more deep and Bass can play well whether he's starting or on the bench.

Bringing back Wilcox: Pretty common sense but also a little lucky he had that heart ailment so we could sign him for cheap. Wilcox was finding himself on the team last year and I have high hopes that he can continue to play well this season.

Bringing back Dooling: Lunacy because he did steal money from us in the end, even if that wasn't his first intention.

Signing Terry: Genius and lucky move. Exactly what we needed when it comes to a scoring punch. He's proven himself to score on contenders (unlike say, Nate Robinson) and I expect him to be Eddie House on steroids this year. But it's also luck because Dallas opted not to re-sign him.

Signing and trading for Courtney Lee: Absolutely Genius. Danny was able to work out a deal that no one saw coming. He was able to give up our scraps for a great player in Lee, and now we have someone who can guard more traditional 2s (Bradleys defense is suited more for undersized 2s and electric 1s.).

Signing Collins: I would classify this as smart but not necessarily genius. Collins was brought in to bring some great interior D on Dwight and Bynum. Simple as that.

Signing Darko: It was luck that the T-Wolves amnestied him this year, but this could potentially be quite genius. He's looked great so far and has received a lot of praise. He could be our defensive glue while KG is on the bench.

Don't really care about Joseph or Christmas, who I think will be on the team but maybe not for long.

Overall, this has been Danny's best summer since 07.

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Drafting Melo - I get Danny's reasoning, but of the three imperfect options, I pick "lunancy".  We were able to fill the center position with guys who can contribute now, and Perry Jones was still on the board.

In the Thunder's first pre-season game, they started Lazar Hayward over Jones.  If the guy turns into a stud and doesn't develop knee issues, I officially invite everyone who wanted him drafted to gloat 24-7, 365.  Until then, can there be a moratorium on "We should have drafted Perry Jones" talk?

Mike


Mike, I wouldn't seriously put any stock on who is in what lineup in preseason games. About this time in 2007 we had Estaban Batista and Scott Pollard ahead of Baby on the depth chart.

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Festus Ezeli, by the way, looks really great so far in preseason. He's probably just making making a lot more highlights than solid plays, but still some impressive stuff. He's as big as Melo, except he's more explosive and he's built like a truck.

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to early to tell

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