doc: "ray wanted the ball more, and wanted more pick+roll plays for him"

[angryguy77]

Ray won't have to come off walls of screens to get open in Miami. When they run their offense through Lebron as LeBron is set up in the low post with Wade at the top of the key it opens up all sorts of wide open looks for players on the three point line in the corners and at the foul line extended areas of the floor.

All Ray will have to do is stand in one of those areas and when the double team comes to LeBron in the post or Wade at the top of the key after Lebron passes it to Wade, wait to get the wide open shot.

All true, but it is still a diminishing role for Ray, one which the ball will be in his hands less, not more.  Doc didn't say Ray was clamoring for more spot up shooting opportunities, he said he wanted more pick and roll chances, i.e. getting to initiate the play with the ball in his hand.  I doubt he gets a single opportunity to play that way in Miami.

Yeah I don't get this notion that Ray is going to be thrilled with the role of standing in the corner waiting for Lebron or Wade ti possibly throw him the ball for an open shot. And how many shots is Ray realistically even going to get a game? I highly doubt more than he didnin Boston

Based on his comments they sold him on having a larger role than that.

You mean he gets to carry Dwayne and Lebron's bags too? Such a deal.

And towel them off during timeouts.

[elmay]

i think things are going to get a bit ugly with ray and the Cs...i think Doc is really angry about how it all went down

I agree Ray lost a little respect for him whining on his way out the door and airing out a bunch of stuff to the media

Really?  Because the only "airing" of stuff has been by Doc.  I don't recall Ray saying anything bad about anybody after his signing with Miami and even then all he said was that he felt taken for granted.

Doc has been the one to cry and whine and Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. to the media about Ray didn't like this and Ray didn't like that.  That crap might play well with the local fanbase but I seriously doubt it plays well in the minds of other vets who might consider playing for the Cs.

Doc has really been acting like the bitter, jilted lover.  Wouldn't be surprised if he comes out next week and implies that Ray caused AB's shoulder issues and Green's heart ailment and hell, global warming while he's at it.

Seems unfair that we're only getting one side of the story and yet there are people buying it as the God's honest truth.  "Doc is saying it like it is"  "Doc is keeping it real..."  Please!  Doc is doing nothing more than protecting the brand. 

[crimson_stallion]

i think things are going to get a bit ugly with ray and the Cs...i think Doc is really angry about how it all went down

I agree Ray lost a little respect for him whining on his way out the door and airing out a bunch of stuff to the media

Really?  Because the only "airing" of stuff has been by Doc.  I don't recall Ray saying anything bad about anybody after his signing with Miami and even then all he said was that he felt taken for granted.

Doc has been the one to cry and whine and **** to the media about Ray didn't like this and Ray didn't like that.  That crap might play well with the local fanbase but I seriously doubt it plays well in the minds of other vets who might consider playing for the Cs.

Doc has really been acting like the bitter, jilted lover.  Wouldn't be surprised if he comes out next week and implies that Ray caused AB's shoulder issues and Green's heart ailment and hell, global warming while he's at it.

Seems unfair that we're only getting one side of the story and yet there are people buying it as the God's honest truth.  "Doc is saying it like it is"  "Doc is keeping it real..."  Please!  Doc is doing nothing more than protecting the brand.

Doc has constantly stated that he fully respects and understands Ray's decision, and has not said a single negative word about him the entire time.

The only things he has stated are the facts - Ray wanted more touches, he wanted X, he didn't want Y, etc.  These are facts he has expressed, and there are no put downs there.

At no point has Doc said "Ray is a whining girl".  Doc just said it how it is, and us fans have added the rest.

Ray just lives in a  dream world where he still belives he's a star who needs to be treated like one.  He seems to believe that just because he's "Ray Allen" and he's "All time leading three point shooter" that he needs to be treated like an irreplacable star.  Problem is he isn't a star and he isn't irreplacable.  Right now it's not really that hard to find another player who gives the same type of skill set that Ray gives, and the money he was expected was a joke for a player of his age and current ability.

[Celts Fan 92]

i think things are going to get a bit ugly with ray and the Cs...i think Doc is really angry about how it all went down

I agree Ray lost a little respect for him whining on his way out the door and airing out a bunch of stuff to the media

Really?  Because the only "airing" of stuff has been by Doc.  I don't recall Ray saying anything bad about anybody after his signing with Miami and even then all he said was that he felt taken for granted.

Doc has been the one to cry and whine and **** to the media about Ray didn't like this and Ray didn't like that.  That crap might play well with the local fanbase but I seriously doubt it plays well in the minds of other vets who might consider playing for the Cs.

Doc has really been acting like the bitter, jilted lover.  Wouldn't be surprised if he comes out next week and implies that Ray caused AB's shoulder issues and Green's heart ailment and hell, global warming while he's at it.

Seems unfair that we're only getting one side of the story and yet there are people buying it as the God's honest truth.  "Doc is saying it like it is"  "Doc is keeping it real..."  Please!  Doc is doing nothing more than protecting the brand.

U SALTY DOGGY??!!! lls Ray da enemy now im glad Doc out chea keepin it 100

[indeedproceed]

Saying Ray didn't get along with Rondo and that he felt he wasn't involved enough in the offense isn't really airing dirty laundry. Saying 'Ray wouldn't admit he couldn't do it anymore, and we didn't think he'd be a good factor in the lockerroom' is airing dirty laundry.

[j804]

ok maybe not dirty laundry as in that bad but yeah felt like he whined on the way out the jealous of Rondo stuff and mad about KG getting his contract and being courted harder and bunch of stuff I don't even really remember now

it's whatever when its all said and done definitely will still have love for Ray but right now? ehh let's kill them

[GreenFaith1819]

I expect more things to come out over the course of the season.

Articles/comments/rumors about Ray Allen and his time here in BOS will crescendo right around Oct 30, and probably every game that we play MIA.

Until I here it from Ray, I just chalk it up as talk. Talk is good in the long run, to me, because as long as it fuels the rivalry between us and MIA, it's ALWAYS good.

If this stuff fires up BOS? Go for it. The window will be completely closed in a couple of years, so I'm all for anything that can further motivate this bunch.

I love it!

[Galeto]

I would've liked to see Ray handle the ball off screens myself, especially with the second unit.  On paper, you'd think Ray would have been the main focal point but a lot of the time, Dooling was so bad at initiating any offensive sets (I mean, he made dribbling and initiating plays look HARD, really HARD) that Ray would hardly get any shots.  It didn't help that Ray wasn't able to get open readily either.  Ray was still capable of handling the ball off screens and creating a jumpshot for himself or a play for a teammate.  It would have made the second unit offense better when Ray was supposed to lead it.

[MBunge]

So your only choice, if you are going to double Lebron and Wade, depending on who has the ball, and leave single coverage on Ray is to double off Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Chris Bosh, James Jones or Mario Chalmers, depending on who is in the game. Bosh is deadly from 15 ft and in and a bad double off. Miller, Chalmers and Battier are all very good three point shooters too. Miller shot 45% from three last year. Battier has shot over 39% from three in four separate seasons. Chalmers improved to almost 39% from three last year. Jones has shot over 40% from three for his career.

But see, that's exactly why Ray's going to Miami made no sense, no matter what assurances he was given.  In Boston, Ray was basically going to compete for time with Bradley and Jet.  Now he's going to a team where he's going to be competing with, essentially 4 guys (Chalmers, Battier, Miller and Rashard Lewis).

Mike 

[Celtics4ever]

I lost respect for Ray for his actions not his words.  I don't recall him airing it out.  But to me, he went to the enemy, one of our rivals.   All that Celtic forever crap dies when you go to a rival and I hope Ray feels that in full force this season.  I am thankful for what he did for us and several good years.

But Ray let pride and his relationship with Ray get the best of him.  He felt slighted.  He has every right to go where he wants but don't give me the Celtics forever crap.  Now to me he is a coat tail rider, hoping to latch on to another championship.....

[SHAQATTACK]

Man first game of season and its gonna be a KG classic  ''bar fight"... 

Doc really truely dislikes the Heat ( I can understand this) , the players worship Doc as their coach. The stage is set to burn the Heat down.

Ray Allen done lost his mind.

[Clench123]

i think things are going to get a bit ugly with ray and the Cs...i think Doc is really angry about how it all went down

I agree Ray lost a little respect for him whining on his way out the door and airing out a bunch of stuff to the media

Really?  Because the only "airing" of stuff has been by Doc.  I don't recall Ray saying anything bad about anybody after his signing with Miami and even then all he said was that he felt taken for granted.

Doc has been the one to cry and whine and **** to the media about Ray didn't like this and Ray didn't like that.  That crap might play well with the local fanbase but I seriously doubt it plays well in the minds of other vets who might consider playing for the Cs.

Doc has really been acting like the bitter, jilted lover.  Wouldn't be surprised if he comes out next week and implies that Ray caused AB's shoulder issues and Green's heart ailment and hell, global warming while he's at it.

Seems unfair that we're only getting one side of the story and yet there are people buying it as the God's honest truth.  "Doc is saying it like it is"  "Doc is keeping it real..."  Please!  Doc is doing nothing more than protecting the brand.

You're spitting a bunch of nonsense in that post, I don't even know where to begin. 

It'll be easier for you to just go join the Heat Club, you'll fit right in. 

[Chris]

I never had all that much more respect for Ray than I did for any other professional athlete.

Yeah, he presents himself well, but so did Tiger Woods.  I take athletes for what they are...entertainers.  I really try not to determine who are the good and bad guys, because without knowing them personally, it is impossible to know for sure.

I understand this is a business, and loyalty is for fans, not for players and organizations.  So, I hold nothing against anyone involved here.

As for Doc's comments, I think he is just being honest.  I don't think he is throwing Ray under the bus, just giving insight into the team.

[More Banners]

Ray is most likely to accomplish the two things he would need to do to secure an NBA legacy that is more than "good player/shooter."

Ray will probably make twice as many 3's in Miami as he would have in Boston, adding to his record.  If he does this for a couple of years next to Lebron, the record will be on the books for a long, long time with his name on it.

Second, he joined the favorite for the title.  Adding titles will add to his legacy as well.

It isn't about the money, obviously, and it might not be as much about role as is being made out here.

[snively]

I would've liked to see Ray handle the ball off screens myself, especially with the second unit.  On paper, you'd think Ray would have been the main focal point but a lot of the time, Dooling was so bad at initiating any offensive sets (I mean, he made dribbling and initiating plays look HARD, really HARD) that Ray would hardly get any shots.  It didn't help that Ray wasn't able to get open readily either.  Ray was still capable of handling the ball off screens and creating a jumpshot for himself or a play for a teammate.  It would have made the second unit offense better when Ray was supposed to lead it.

The problem was that Ray's lack of speed made him really vulnerable to trapping in a pick & pop/roll situation if the opposing big man was mobile enough to provide a good hedge.  Which was a shame, because he was a pretty solid passer if he was able to turn the corner and get some space.

Ray was still better than Dooling and Bradley at running pick and roll, but he was pretty bad at it all the same.  The only reliable pick and roll players we had last year were Rondo and Pierce.

I wonder if Miami promised Ray some PG minutes at the expense of Chalmers and Cole.