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Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2012, 08:10:17 PM »

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Wdleehi,

You asked this:

Yes, the Celtics were without Green, AB and Wilcox.  But would anyone trade those three for Bosh?

I would NEVER give up those three for Charmin Bosh!!  NEVER!!!!

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You can call him names, but he is still a better defender then most give him credit for.  When healthy, he plays even with KG.

Bosh is a great player, but even with KG? No way. KG is a former MVP and defensive player of the year. Bosh will never be either of those things.Even at his age last season our team went from looking like a top 3 team to a lottery team every time he went to the bench.

I don't know if they meant that he is as good a defender as KG.  I think he just meant that he is an overall wash with KG...and I think I would probably agree with that.

Bosh brings a lot more offensively than KG does at this point in his career, and he does bring enough defensively.  He is not a great post defender, but he is a very good team defender and one of the better perimeter defending big men in the league.


Head to head in the playoffs, they play even.


KG is better defensively.

Bosh is better offensively at this point. 



I think KG is the better player, but in the playoffs, it is closer to a wash.  Bosh's ability takes away from KG being the help defender in the team defense.

You think KG is a better player, I know is KG is a better player, simple. Statistically and career-wise there's no comparison between these two. Garnett in his prime was far more dominate offensively and defensively than Bosh in his prime. It's baffling that some on here are debating, though I hope I'm wrong.

I would agree Bosh at this stage in his career can obviously do more offensively than a, 36yrs, Garnett, because he no longer has the explosiveness. But KG is still far better defensively than Bosh.


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Bosh at center did create some problems for us last year in the playoffs.  I think one of the things that killed us vs. the Heat was Bosh's ability to pull KG (the only player on our team capable of protecting the hoop/altering shots) away from the basket.  When KG played Bosh close Lebron and Wade had a much easier time getting to the hoop and converting.  When KG cheated off him to help protect the paint Bosh made us pay by hitting some big outside shots.

Bosh at center didn't create problems, because he only played 3 games. Games 5 and 6, Bosh had no effect on either, but more game 7. The Celtics won game 5 and Bosh played. The Celtics lost game 6, because Lebron flat out dominated and the Celtics simply stunk up the TD Garden. Game 7, Bosh played well though the Celtics built a double-digit lead in the first-half only to squander the lead away and had got no bench support.

Doc decide to play Bass on Lebron which was a horrible idea. Ray Allen can't guard Wade, just a fact. That's is where Bradley was badly missed, because he can stay in front of Wade. People seem to forget when Bradley was inserted into the starting line-up the Celtics easily dominated the Miami Heat during the regular season.



   

 

Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2012, 11:52:13 PM »

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It's entirely possible that Sullinger down low could be a major handful for the heat. Sullinger shot a very high % the last two years for Ohio State, all while being the go-to option and putting up lots of shots.

Sullinger had a very untimely off-game against the length of Kansas, but I think OSU's 2nd scoring option was injured and out of the game, and Sullinger was forcing the issue. It wasn't just the length he was facing, it was that Sullinger was trying to do too much as well.

Right now Sullinger is working on expanding his moves and combinations of moves. With any luck, by the time the playoffs come around Sullinger will be well equipped to repeatedly attack Bosh and Lebron down low, even if it means leaning into them before fading away with jumpers or jump hooks. With a couple nice combinations of moves, Sullinger could be a foul magnet against Bosh and James, assuming the Stern Gang wants to play by the rules, lol.

If Sullinger isn't an expert at drawing fouls against NBA length by the playoffs, expect him to develop that ability soon in his career.

Sullinger would manhandle Bosh on the boards, and establish position down low at will on offense.

If Sullinger shows enough tricks up his sleeve, he could leave the Heat scrambling for solutions as much as Doc scrambles for solutions to James at 4.

KG, Wilcox, Sullinger, and possibly Melo. Some combination of those guys will be ready to step up to the challenge at 5. Even Melo could be an interesting look against Bosh if he can develop a couple nice post moves and counter moves. If Melo can learn to draw the foul (he already knows how to draw the charge), he could definitely be a force in the playoffs or before.

The best tonic for what ailed Sullinger is to be paired with an elite, true 'stretch' big man like ... KG!

Seriously - Sullinger has usually only struggled (the Kansas game and the end of SL) when he's been forced to take on double teams constantly.  This happens when (a) his front court mate poses no offensive threat or (b) his front court mate plays too close to the basket.

Put Sully up front with KG or Bass and the opposing team has to pull one of their bigs out of the paint to follow KG/Bass out of the paint.  That leaves Sully down low with just one big defender.  Teams then have a choice:  Cheat a help defender onto Sully or KG.

Choose carefully.

Consider also that Sully will be coming off the bench in rotations that usually will matchup with 2nd unit bigs on the other team (KG will rotate in independent of that with his 5 on/5 off schedule).   There are not a lot of bench bigs that are going to be stronger than Sully under the post.

I'm looking forward to watching Sully's game develop.  This is a good situation for him.
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Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2012, 12:59:14 AM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

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Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2012, 01:08:21 AM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?
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Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2012, 01:14:44 AM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Well, I don't think Bosh/KG is a big win for us, maybe slightly favoring us.

Bron/Sully, I think is more difficult than Sully's rep might look. Bron is taller, and he's got better length. The Heat can't help much off KG, but Lebron defended PF's better than one might think. Sully is stronger, but LeBron has height and length advantages, and he's a all-nba caliber defender. Maybe Sully turns out enough to be worth it against NBA competition, but with the absurd mismatch at the point, wouldn't it be better to put someone in there with a more dangerous option as a jump shooter?

Green/KG seems like a better option.

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Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2012, 09:31:16 AM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Lebron can defend PFs, including in the post.  He played excellent defense on David West in the playoffs.

Watch him on Pau Gasol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3O94yv4vc

There's a longer highlight of this floating around somewhere, basically showing every defensive possession of the game.  Lebron shut down one of the most talented 7-footers in the NBA.

I honestly don't think that Lebron would have trouble with Sullinger; he's going to play elite defense against most PFs.

As IP suggested, I think the best front line against Miami's small lineup is KG/Green.  We'll be weak on the boards and in the post, but it's our best shot at limiting Lebron.


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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2012, 10:31:14 AM »

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david west and gasol are not the best evidence of lebrons success defending sullinger down low. Sullinger weighs 270-280, with the strongest base ive seen this side of bbdavis.

You combine the immovability with sullingers advanced post skills, awareness of his defenders location, and love of contact, and he's going to be a threat against lebron. Keep in mind sully has 9 months of professional training before the east finals.

I dont think lebron has a height advantage, and if he does it is .5'' or less. Lebron doesnt even like taking the beating of playing pf. Sullinger can give him all the beating lebron can handle. Every rebound is going to involve a jarring sullinger shoulder check. Every celtics possession would involve an exhausting and usually unsuccessful battle for position down low vs sullinger.
Sullinger could even guard bosh at the other end for stretches, and try to let him shoot outside. Sully could also lay some bone jarring hits on bosh on the boards.
Kg could guard battier instead of sully for stretches.

The goal with sully would be to draw fouls against lebron, and wear him down, not to score 30 points
 over him.

Certainly an interesting look for stretches at the least.

Gasol is soft, david west is finesse.

Also, sully does indeed have a steady jumper. 40% from college 3. He might not have nba 3 pt range, but neither do bass or garnett.

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« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2012, 11:10:38 AM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Lebron can defend PFs, including in the post.  He played excellent defense on David West in the playoffs.

Watch him on Pau Gasol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3O94yv4vc

There's a longer highlight of this floating around somewhere, basically showing every defensive possession of the game.  Lebron shut down one of the most talented 7-footers in the NBA.

I honestly don't think that Lebron would have trouble with Sullinger; he's going to play elite defense against most PFs.

As IP suggested, I think the best front line against Miami's small lineup is KG/Green.  We'll be weak on the boards and in the post, but it's our best shot at limiting Lebron.

Green is the key to beating Miami. And I feel like Danny felt like he needed an oversized SF like Green to stick on LeBron. Perkins isn't that helpful against Miami, as proven in the Finals. His defense is for teams like LA.

I don't really know who else besides Green can do it. Bass gave it his all, but LeBron torched him frequently. I don't like Pierce at the 4, too much of an energy-drainer for him. I guess go big and play their modified zone, hoping to create advantages for ourselves on offense.

If Bradley can really hinder Wade like he did in the regular season, that could allow us to let LeBron get his.

Keep Wade under 20 and inefficient, don't let their 3pt shooters get on a roll, and we can withstand 40 from LeBron.
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Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2012, 02:56:58 PM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Lebron can defend PFs, including in the post.  He played excellent defense on David West in the playoffs.

Watch him on Pau Gasol:
... snip ...

There's a longer highlight of this floating around somewhere, basically showing every defensive possession of the game.  Lebron shut down one of the most talented 7-footers in the NBA.

I honestly don't think that Lebron would have trouble with Sullinger; he's going to play elite defense against most PFs.

As IP suggested, I think the best front line against Miami's small lineup is KG/Green.  We'll be weak on the boards and in the post, but it's our best shot at limiting Lebron.

Well, that's not the most relevant comparison.  Lebron outweighs Gasol by 20lb and could push him around.

Sully outweighs Lebron by almost 30lbs -that's a ~50lb difference between Sully and Gasol!.   Also, Sully is the same height (actually a 1/2 inch taller w/o shoes) and has slightly longer arms than Lebron.   He's also got very different style of post moves compared to Gasol.

Gasol's post-up game is based on his having a height advantage over his defender.  Once he's got the ball in close, he simply goes vertical and shoots casually over people. Lebron's defense of him was simple:  Push Gasol around and keep him from ever getting the ball.  Gasol could never get the position or space he wanted because he could not move Lebron and instead got moved by him.

Sully's game is not based on being tall - it is based on his strength, footwork, long arms and velcro hands.  And he is virtually immovable when he's set.  And he's similarly difficult to hold the block on.   He's best defended by defenders who are both tall enough to keep him from hooking those long arms out, up and over and also heavy enough that Sully doesn't bounce them away with that butt of his.  And they also have to be smart enough to not fall for his fakes because he turns and goes under tall defenders who over commit.   In college and in the SL, Sully has only really had trouble when teams double team him with two bigs.  Simple enough and very effective.  But that won't happen when he's on the floor with KG.

Now, Sullinger is a rookie.  Put him out there tomorrow against Lebron and he'd probably get eaten alive.  But let's see what he looks like next spring, with a year of professional training & experience.

I don't know how that will turn out.  I just find it interesting to think about.

Lets look at the other half of the matchup.  Bosh has occasionally been successful scoring on KG - but many times has been stuffed by KG.   Bosh has _never_ been able to stop KG from scoring.

In 31 games head-to-head (regular season and playoffs), Bosh has been stuffed for single-digit scoring 9 times (4 of those in the playoffs) and has only broken 20 points just 6 times (once in the playoffs). 

In those 31 games head-to-head, KG has failed to score in double figures only twice.  In 13 of those games he scored over 20 (twice in the playoffs).   Both of the two games where KG failed to reach double-figures were in the 2011 playoffs when he (and Paul and Ray) went into a vicious shooting slump.  KG shot 1-10 and 3-9 in those two games.  I don't think I'd credit Bosh' defense so much as just plain cold-shooting.

Keeping things current, looking at just their last 6 games from 2011-2012, KG again, outscored Bosh in 4 of the 6.  The other two being  (1) the second game of the season - no Pierce and KG clearly stiff, rusty and out of practice from the lockout and of course, the very last game of the playoffs, where Bosh went an uncharacteristic 3 of 4 from 3PT land.  Overall for the 6 games, though, KG scored 98 to Bosh' 70.

Throw in the fact that KG also has dealt out more assists (creating still more points), I think its pretty clear that Bosh just hasn't been able to slow KG down.

I will say, to be clear, I don't like the idea of Sully trying to defend Lebron at all.  That just sounds like really bad news. 

My only point in this is that I'm not sure that the KG/Sully combo could be stopped by Bosh/Bron on the other end of the court.   My guess is that the end result would be a scoring fest, with Bosh/Bron winning out. 

I expect our best success will be with either KG/Green, playing as part of a zone or KG/Wilcox in a more conventional lineup.
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Re: Bosh might be the Heats starting center, so whats the possible line up?
« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2012, 03:51:55 PM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Lebron can defend PFs, including in the post.  He played excellent defense on David West in the playoffs.

Watch him on Pau Gasol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3O94yv4vc

There's a longer highlight of this floating around somewhere, basically showing every defensive possession of the game.  Lebron shut down one of the most talented 7-footers in the NBA.

I honestly don't think that Lebron would have trouble with Sullinger; he's going to play elite defense against most PFs.

As IP suggested, I think the best front line against Miami's small lineup is KG/Green.  We'll be weak on the boards and in the post, but it's our best shot at limiting Lebron.

This is when Lebron is fronting Gasol, preventing him from getting the ball. How about when Gasol actually has the ball?

A big strong guy pushes a guy not in his weight class out of position. Its nice, but it doesn't amaze me. Part of the reason I don't like ESPN, they overhype everything

If Lebron can actually defend Gasol, Howard, or any 7 footer for a full 48 minutes and defend them when they have the ball in their hands, then it'll be awesome to watch

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« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2012, 03:55:57 PM »

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If the Heat wants to play small and put Bosh in the center spot then let them

When the Celtics brought in Shaq that year, they had a lineup of Big Baby, Perkins, JO, and KG all in the front line. They never played small and destroyed the Heat, winning 3 out of 4 games that season. They traded Perk and Shaq got injured so they were forced to play small after

If Celtics just play big, they would have the advantage on the rebounds and paint protection. And if Bosh gets a few open jumpshots, so be it. I rather that then constant drives to the lane from Lebron and Wade

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« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2012, 04:18:08 PM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Lebron can defend PFs, including in the post.  He played excellent defense on David West in the playoffs.

Watch him on Pau Gasol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3O94yv4vc

There's a longer highlight of this floating around somewhere, basically showing every defensive possession of the game.  Lebron shut down one of the most talented 7-footers in the NBA.

I honestly don't think that Lebron would have trouble with Sullinger; he's going to play elite defense against most PFs.

As IP suggested, I think the best front line against Miami's small lineup is KG/Green.  We'll be weak on the boards and in the post, but it's our best shot at limiting Lebron.

This is when Lebron is fronting Gasol, preventing him from getting the ball. How about when Gasol actually has the ball?

A big strong guy pushes a guy not in his weight class out of position. Its nice, but it doesn't amaze me. Part of the reason I don't like ESPN, they overhype everything

If Lebron can actually defend Gasol, Howard, or any 7 footer for a full 48 minutes and defend them when they have the ball in their hands, then it'll be awesome to watch


Completely agree with this. Well said Osirus. tp.

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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2012, 04:32:23 PM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Lebron can defend PFs, including in the post.  He played excellent defense on David West in the playoffs.

Watch him on Pau Gasol:
... snip ...

There's a longer highlight of this floating around somewhere, basically showing every defensive possession of the game.  Lebron shut down one of the most talented 7-footers in the NBA.

I honestly don't think that Lebron would have trouble with Sullinger; he's going to play elite defense against most PFs.

As IP suggested, I think the best front line against Miami's small lineup is KG/Green.  We'll be weak on the boards and in the post, but it's our best shot at limiting Lebron.

Well, that's not the most relevant comparison.  Lebron outweighs Gasol by 20lb and could push him around.

Sully outweighs Lebron by almost 30lbs -that's a ~50lb difference between Sully and Gasol!.   Also, Sully is the same height (actually a 1/2 inch taller w/o shoes) and has slightly longer arms than Lebron.   He's also got very different style of post moves compared to Gasol.

Gasol's post-up game is based on his having a height advantage over his defender.  Once he's got the ball in close, he simply goes vertical and shoots casually over people. Lebron's defense of him was simple:  Push Gasol around and keep him from ever getting the ball.  Gasol could never get the position or space he wanted because he could not move Lebron and instead got moved by him.

Sully's game is not based on being tall - it is based on his strength, footwork, long arms and velcro hands.  And he is virtually immovable when he's set.  And he's similarly difficult to hold the block on.   He's best defended by defenders who are both tall enough to keep him from hooking those long arms out, up and over and also heavy enough that Sully doesn't bounce them away with that butt of his.  And they also have to be smart enough to not fall for his fakes because he turns and goes under tall defenders who over commit.   In college and in the SL, Sully has only really had trouble when teams double team him with two bigs.  Simple enough and very effective.  But that won't happen when he's on the floor with KG.

Now, Sullinger is a rookie.  Put him out there tomorrow against Lebron and he'd probably get eaten alive.  But let's see what he looks like next spring, with a year of professional training & experience.

I don't know how that will turn out.  I just find it interesting to think about.


You're drastically underestimating Gasol in a variety of areas, including his weight.  According to NBA.com, Lebron and Gasol are both 250 pounds, and Sullinger is 260.

I think it's a bit much to think Sullinger is even in the same ballpark right now as proven post scorers like Pau Gasol and David West.


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« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2012, 04:37:44 PM »

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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?

Lebron can defend PFs, including in the post.  He played excellent defense on David West in the playoffs.

Watch him on Pau Gasol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3O94yv4vc

There's a longer highlight of this floating around somewhere, basically showing every defensive possession of the game.  Lebron shut down one of the most talented 7-footers in the NBA.

I honestly don't think that Lebron would have trouble with Sullinger; he's going to play elite defense against most PFs.

As IP suggested, I think the best front line against Miami's small lineup is KG/Green.  We'll be weak on the boards and in the post, but it's our best shot at limiting Lebron.

This is when Lebron is fronting Gasol, preventing him from getting the ball. How about when Gasol actually has the ball?

A big strong guy pushes a guy not in his weight class out of position. Its nice, but it doesn't amaze me. Part of the reason I don't like ESPN, they overhype everything

If Lebron can actually defend Gasol, Howard, or any 7 footer for a full 48 minutes and defend them when they have the ball in their hands, then it'll be awesome to watch


Completely agree with this. Well said Osirus. tp.

Well, you guys are both wrong then.

First, Lebron and Gasol are very similar in weight; I'm not sure where folks are getting that Gasol is some sort of rail-thin, shorter version of Shawn Bradley.  The guy has some bulk to him.

Second, in the game shown, Pau shot 4-for-10 and scored 11 points in 36 minutes.

Pau Gasol is one of the best big men in the league.  The fact that Lebron has shown that he can defend him well (along with other bigs, like David West) suggests that Lebron has little trouble guarding the PF position, and will have almost no trouble at all guarding our PFs.  Neither Green nor Bass is going to punish Lebron when he's guarding them.


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Playing Sullinger next to KG against Lebron is a nightmare for us if the heat got with a Bron/Bosh FC. Pierce likely guards LeBron, and Sully Battier, and we pray.

Defensively, it does indeed look nightmarish.  And for that reason alone I doubt we see it against the Heat.

But just for conversation - flip the question around.   On the other end of the court - how does Bron/Bosh defend an FC of KG/Sully?
LeBron was defending centers this time last month with Carmelo Anthony beside him instead of Bosh.
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