Celtics lost the 3point king but became better 3point shooting team

[vgulab]

It's funny how Celtics are better shooting team than last year even if they lost Ray Allen. Last couple years Celtics strugle with the offense, with the shooting. 2008 the team was a solid 3point shooting team with Ray,Paul,Eddie,Posey. But 2010 finals wasn't pretty to watch. This summer DA brought players who can shoot. Replacing Ray looks not hard right now. Having Paul,Courtney,Jason even Avery and Jeff are good shooters, probably best 3point shooting team in the big 3 era. I'm just looking for positive things about this team witch i think there are a lot.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

It's funny how Celtics are better shooting team than last year even if they lost Ray Allen. Last couple years Celtics strugle with the offense, with the shooting. 2008 the team was a solid 3point shooting team with Ray,Paul,Eddie,Posey. But 2010 finals wasn't pretty to watch. This summer DA brought players who can shoot. Replacing Ray looks not hard right now. Having Paul,Courtney,Jason even Avery and Jeff are good shooters, probably best 3point shooting team in the big 3 era. I'm just looking for positive things about this team witch i think there are a lot.

Green and Bradley aren't money from 3 at this point, but I agree that the overall situation is better: having Paul, Jet, and Lee is better than having Paul and Ray, because now the opposition has more shooters to worry about.

[LooseCannon]

Jeff Green's career-high i 3pt% is 38.9%.  If he could shoot at least 37% with good defense and be part of an effective small-ball lineup, this could be a great team.  A stretch-4 with three point range is a very useful player.

What I really want is for the Celtics to be able to put three credible three point shooters on the floor with Rondo and Garnett and for the team to be able to have two legitimate deep ball threats when Pierce sits.  They don't have to do it all the time, but Doc should have that option.

[crimson_stallion]

It's funny how Celtics are better shooting team than last year even if they lost Ray Allen. Last couple years Celtics strugle with the offense, with the shooting. 2008 the team was a solid 3point shooting team with Ray,Paul,Eddie,Posey. But 2010 finals wasn't pretty to watch. This summer DA brought players who can shoot. Replacing Ray looks not hard right now. Having Paul,Courtney,Jason even Avery and Jeff are good shooters, probably best 3point shooting team in the big 3 era. I'm just looking for positive things about this team witch i think there are a lot.

Green and Bradley aren't money from 3 at this point, but I agree that the overall situation is better: having Paul, Jet, and Lee is better than having Paul and Ray, because now the opposition has more shooters to worry about.

Bradley shot over 50% on corner three's last season, and Jeff Green shot 44% on corner three's in the last season he played.

Both shot pretty poorly on above the break threes (which is why their overall percentage was much lower then that) but find either one of those guys in the corner and it's money in the bank.

[bfrombleacher]

Green and Bradley aren't money from 3 at this point, but I agree that the overall situation is better: having Paul, Jet, and Lee is better than having Paul and Ray, because now the opposition has more shooters to worry about.

Also more players to worry about. I keep saying this because it's not said enough. By the end of the playoffs, it was injured Truth, injured Ray Allen, Rondo KG Bass Keyon Dooling.

We barely had a darn lineup to throw out there. We were playing 3 or 4 on 5. The injuries also force our healthy players to play so much more at playoff intensity.

Also, Rondo never had a backup. Dools was more of a spot up shooter. Rondo not having to conserve his energy will most definitely mean more production.

[wdleehi]

Shouldn't we actually wait until the play some games and have an actual shooting % before we make a statement like this?


Last year, the team was 7th.

[Interceptor]

Shouldn't we actually wait until the play some games and have an actual shooting % before we make a statement like this?


Last year, the team was 7th.

What the heck else are we going to do before training camp starts?

[vgulab]

Shouldn't we actually wait until the play some games and have an actual shooting % before we make a statement like this?


Last year, the team was 7th.

I was thinking better 3point shooting team by the number of 3point FG made not about %

[mgent]

It's funny how Celtics are better shooting team than last year even if they lost Ray Allen. Last couple years Celtics strugle with the offense, with the shooting. 2008 the team was a solid 3point shooting team with Ray,Paul,Eddie,Posey. But 2010 finals wasn't pretty to watch. This summer DA brought players who can shoot. Replacing Ray looks not hard right now. Having Paul,Courtney,Jason even Avery and Jeff are good shooters, probably best 3point shooting team in the big 3 era. I'm just looking for positive things about this team witch i think there are a lot.

The 2010 finals weren't pretty to watch because Ray, the guy you're underrating, was taken out by Artest.

FYI he shot 8-11 from 3 in game 2.  Game 3 it was 0-8, and 0-13 from everywhere.

Also, you've got to realize that Green and Bradley are not good 3 point shooters, I'd say unproven at best.  So you're really looking at 3 above average shooters compared to 5 that year (6 if Scals played).  That's not even taking into the equation that Ray and Eddie were two of the best in the league.

I could go on and on about this topic but I think I'll just leave it at that.

[snively]

It's funny how Celtics are better shooting team than last year even if they lost Ray Allen. Last couple years Celtics strugle with the offense, with the shooting. 2008 the team was a solid 3point shooting team with Ray,Paul,Eddie,Posey. But 2010 finals wasn't pretty to watch. This summer DA brought players who can shoot. Replacing Ray looks not hard right now. Having Paul,Courtney,Jason even Avery and Jeff are good shooters, probably best 3point shooting team in the big 3 era. I'm just looking for positive things about this team witch i think there are a lot.

The 2010 finals weren't pretty to watch because Ray, the guy you're underrating, was taken out by Artest.

FYI he shot 8-11 from 3 in game 2.  Game 3 it was 0-8, and 0-13 from everywhere.

Also, you've got to realize that Green and Bradley are not good 3 point shooters, I'd say unproven at best.  So you're really looking at 3 above average shooters compared to 5 that year (6 if Scals played).  That's not even taking into the equation that Ray and Eddie were two of the best in the league.

I could go on and on about this topic but I think I'll just leave it at that.

Strange that you call Scal an above-average 3-pt shooter (shot under 33% in 2008 and about 34% for his career), but call Bradley (near 41% last year) and Green (near 34% for a fairly extensive career) "not good, unproven at best."

I think this group could rival that squad in overall accuracy - the problem will be matching them in volume.  Ray and House had such quick releases and Posey would launch from just about anywhere - the 3 was easier to get off. 

While Terry has a great release and a knack for mad bombing, the rest of our bomb squad is a bit more selective.  Lee is almost strictly a spot-up shooter - at most he'll be able to match Posey's per minute volume, not House and Ray.  Pierce isn't the type to create a high volume of 3s either.  Bradley and Green are also spot-up shooters and Bradley is very selective about his spots.

I guess the biggest key is Green - he has the potential to get a high volume of 3's as a small-ball 4, but the team's not going to use him in that Posey-style role unless he's hitting them like he did in his soph campaign. 

He has the potential - it's not like Posey was a dead-eye shooter every year either.  It'll be interesting to see.

[Fafnir]

Shooting percentages have a lot of noise in them from year to year.

We added two good three point shooters and lost a great one, but who knows how we as a team overall will fare.

I'm hopeful our offense will benefit from Terry's presence overall.

[mgent]

It's funny how Celtics are better shooting team than last year even if they lost Ray Allen. Last couple years Celtics strugle with the offense, with the shooting. 2008 the team was a solid 3point shooting team with Ray,Paul,Eddie,Posey. But 2010 finals wasn't pretty to watch. This summer DA brought players who can shoot. Replacing Ray looks not hard right now. Having Paul,Courtney,Jason even Avery and Jeff are good shooters, probably best 3point shooting team in the big 3 era. I'm just looking for positive things about this team witch i think there are a lot.

The 2010 finals weren't pretty to watch because Ray, the guy you're underrating, was taken out by Artest.

FYI he shot 8-11 from 3 in game 2.  Game 3 it was 0-8, and 0-13 from everywhere.

Also, you've got to realize that Green and Bradley are not good 3 point shooters, I'd say unproven at best.  So you're really looking at 3 above average shooters compared to 5 that year (6 if Scals played).  That's not even taking into the equation that Ray and Eddie were two of the best in the league.

I could go on and on about this topic but I think I'll just leave it at that.

Strange that you call Scal an above-average 3-pt shooter (shot under 33% in 2008 and about 34% for his career), but call Bradley (near 41% last year) and Green (near 34% for a fairly extensive career) "not good, unproven at best."

I think this group could rival that squad in overall accuracy - the problem will be matching them in volume.  Ray and House had such quick releases and Posey would launch from just about anywhere - the 3 was easier to get off. 

While Terry has a great release and a knack for mad bombing, the rest of our bomb squad is a bit more selective.  Lee is almost strictly a spot-up shooter - at most he'll be able to match Posey's per minute volume, not House and Ray.  Pierce isn't the type to create a high volume of 3s either.  Bradley and Green are also spot-up shooters and Bradley is very selective about his spots.

I guess the biggest key is Green - he has the potential to get a high volume of 3's as a small-ball 4, but the team's not going to use him in that Posey-style role unless he's hitting them like he did in his soph campaign. 

He has the potential - it's not like Posey was a dead-eye shooter every year either.  It'll be interesting to see.

Scalabrine was a 38% 3pt shooter his first two years here, when he actually played more than spot minutes, and managed to maintain that percentage in the following two years despite even less attempts in the Big 3 era.  In fact, the 3 point shot is probably the only reason he remained in the league as long as he did.  Still, he was in and mostly out of the rotation so I didn't even seriously count him.

Bradley has simply not taken enough shots to have proven himself or built any type of credibility.  As a comparison, Tony Allen shot a very similar percentage and quantity his first year too.

Three out of his four years in the league, Green hasn't even been a decent 3 point shooter.  If you think 33.7% and less than 1 per game for his whole career is anything more than "unproven," I have to question that.  You know the average is typically around 36% for the all the players in the league?  And Green is certainly not known for revealing new aspects to his game each year.

[billysan]

Shooting percentages have a lot of noise in them from year to year.

We added two good three point shooters and lost a great one, but who knows how we as a team overall will fare.

I'm hopeful our offense will benefit from Terry's presence overall.

TP

This is where I hope we get our biggest gain. All the guys we added are capable scorers and shooters. None of the replacements are great and Ray was/is.

The big difference for me now with Jason Terry is that he is a playmaker. He gets offense going for other people. Not as good as Rondo, Pierce or maybe even KG but certainly better than Ray his past couple of seasons.

This will be invaluable for our second unit.

[SCeltic34]

While I agree that we're a more dangerous team from 3 than last year despite the loss of Ray and personally have no problem with wide-open 3-point shots via ball movement or transition basketball, I'm hoping that we don't fall in love with the 3 ala Orlando when Howard was on their team.

Like Charles Barkley says, you don't live by the 3-pointer, you die by it.

[crimson_stallion]

We added two good three point shooters and lost a great one, but who knows how we as a team overall will fare.

Jason Terry is a career 38% three point shooter and 4th all-time in threes made.  Last season Terry averaged 2.2 3PM per game vs Ray's 2.3 per game - hardly a difference worth mentioning in the grand scheme of things. 

I think it's safe to say that Terry is more then just "good"!