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The All-Broke team
« on: August 28, 2012, 07:57:11 AM »

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I was reading some stuff and it got a little depressing but I started wondering who is the all-broke team

I got

pg - Allen Iverson
sg - Latrell Sprewell
sf - Scottie Pippem
pf- Toine
c - Derrick Coleman

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 08:14:42 AM »

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...  the sad thing is, you could do a lot more than an All-Star team.  Seems like you could populate a thirty-team squad, 12-man deep, with former NBA players who have squandered their millions. 

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 08:17:09 AM »

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I was reading some stuff and it got a little depressing but I started wondering who is the all-broke team

I got

pg - Allen Iverson
sg - Latrell Sprewell
sf - Scottie Pippem
pf- Toine
c - Derrick Coleman
pippen, walker and inverson just leave you shaking your head at the millions squandered
not that the others didn't make millions as well
coleman deserves it, lazy guy who played for the paycheck only, he should have been the dominant pf of his era

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 08:58:54 AM »

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I am not sure Iverson is actually broke.  I know people have speculated, based on the fact that he keeps trying to play...but I don't think I have ever seen anything definitive.  On the other hand, I have heard that he actually was relatively smart with his money.  He just is super competitive, and doesn't want to stop playing ball.

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 09:18:21 AM »

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I am not sure Iverson is actually broke.  I know people have speculated, based on the fact that he keeps trying to play...but I don't think I have ever seen anything definitive.  On the other hand, I have heard that he actually was relatively smart with his money.  He just is super competitive, and doesn't want to stop playing ball.

This article from Feb 2012 says he's broke. 
http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-12/sports/31052452_1_pat-croce-poster-child-76ers

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A Georgia judge has ordered Allen Ezail Iverson to pay a jeweler about $860,000. But apparently he can't, so his bank account has been commandeered, and his earnings, whatever of them may be left, are to be garnisheed.

Of course there's this other article from the NY Post in March 2012 that disputes that:
http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-12/sports/31052452_1_pat-croce-poster-child-76ers

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A person with a firm grip on the situation informs me Iverson has an account worth $32 million, a principal he is prohibited from touching until 55. In the meantime, it feeds him $1 million annually.

And there's also other rumors, like his mom had her house auctioned off for back taxes in 2009, Iverson has a Lamborghini impounded since March 2011 that he owes like $50k in taxes and registration fees on that he's never gotten out.  Also Iverson had a big ebay auction of a lot of his stuff in December 2010.  But all that stuff is more gossip site rumors.


So he might not be technically broke, but I would imagine he has severe cash flow problems.

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2012, 09:24:40 AM »

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Shawn Kemp deserves a spot on that team.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 09:27:28 AM »

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I am not sure Iverson is actually broke.  I know people have speculated, based on the fact that he keeps trying to play...but I don't think I have ever seen anything definitive.  On the other hand, I have heard that he actually was relatively smart with his money.  He just is super competitive, and doesn't want to stop playing ball.

This article from Feb 2012 says he's broke. 
http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-12/sports/31052452_1_pat-croce-poster-child-76ers

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A Georgia judge has ordered Allen Ezail Iverson to pay a jeweler about $860,000. But apparently he can't, so his bank account has been commandeered, and his earnings, whatever of them may be left, are to be garnisheed.

Of course there's this other article from the NY Post in March 2012 that disputes that:
http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-12/sports/31052452_1_pat-croce-poster-child-76ers

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A person with a firm grip on the situation informs me Iverson has an account worth $32 million, a principal he is prohibited from touching until 55. In the meantime, it feeds him $1 million annually.

And there's also other rumors, like his mom had her house auctioned off for back taxes in 2009, Iverson has a Lamborghini impounded since March 2011 that he owes like $50k in taxes and registration fees on that he's never gotten out.  Also Iverson had a big ebay auction of a lot of his stuff in December 2010.  But all that stuff is more gossip site rumors.


So he might not be technically broke, but I would imagine he has severe cash flow problems.

Or he is just bad at paying bills. 

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 10:47:28 AM »

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...  the sad thing is, you could do a lot more than an All-Star team.  Seems like you could populate a thirty-team squad, 12-man deep, with former NBA players who have squandered their millions.
The stuff I read said 60% of players are broke in 5 years. On some level their agents have to be held accountable for this. My understanding is it's very common for things to happen like the agent says "I need you to look good off the court. You need to go to get like 5 sports jackets from so and so. It's already paid for so you just gotta pick it up" (This would be easier to do and also more important with the new dress code rules). Player goes to get jackets. Doesn't realize they're like 2K each and that so and so is in the agent's pocket getting a kickback.  Obviously the player shouldn't have given any of his account info or anything like that to the agent, but the agent shouldn't have asked for it or defrauded him.

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The stuff I read said 60% of players are broke in 5 years. On some level their agents have to be held accountable for this.
True enough, though agents will be agents, and the NBPA has to do a better job of education.

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2012, 11:51:25 AM »

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A fool and his money probably had no business getting together in the first place.

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 12:17:59 PM »

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...  the sad thing is, you could do a lot more than an All-Star team.  Seems like you could populate a thirty-team squad, 12-man deep, with former NBA players who have squandered their millions.
The stuff I read said 60% of players are broke in 5 years. On some level their agents have to be held accountable for this. My understanding is it's very common for things to happen like the agent says "I need you to look good off the court. You need to go to get like 5 sports jackets from so and so. It's already paid for so you just gotta pick it up" (This would be easier to do and also more important with the new dress code rules). Player goes to get jackets. Doesn't realize they're like 2K each and that so and so is in the agent's pocket getting a kickback.  Obviously the player shouldn't have given any of his account info or anything like that to the agent, but the agent shouldn't have asked for it or defrauded him.

I don't think it's the agent's fault for the most part (although there are many cases where the agent does defraud the player, I think this is a small % overall). The player is an adult.  If the players not watching his money, that’s the player’s fault, not the agents (not talking about agents who defraud players, but regular agents).  And again I’m sure a lot of agents tell their players, you need to budget, you need to invest, you need to put money aside, but ultimately it’s up to the player.  If I was an agent and told a multi-million dollar athlete he can’t spend his own money on what he wants, he could just fire me and then spend his money on whatever he pleases.  A lot of players want yes men as their agents.  The agent can point the player in the right direction, but it’s up to the player to get there himself.  How many of us don’t listen to our doctor or dentist or even our own financial advisors, and don't double check our own finances? A whole lot of us I imagine.

It’s an agents job to get the player the best deal from teams and endorsements, I don’t believe it’s the agents job to manage a player’s money.  You need to hire a separate accountant or financial advisor or even both for that.  I bet most agents tell their players to get those and even recommend guys, but I wonder how many listen and follow through.

I think this is the usual situation with most players:

I have X years in this league, and Y more contracts and I’m going to play till I’m 35-36.  From stars to scrubs I bet this is a major problem. Guys like Antoine and Marbury and Iverson I’m sure thought they’d be playing till they were at least 35.  Every first rounder probably thinks they’ll sign at least another 2-3 contracts after their rookie deal.  They think I can spend a lot of money now, but I’ll be sure to save and spend wisely during my next contract.  They think retirement is a far way off.  Not just athletes, most people don’t properly plan for retirement, I bet most people on this board aren’t making sufficient contributions to retirement (IRA’s, 401k’s etc.).  Just like athletes, they’ll worry about it later, and they won’t be ready.

If 60% of NBAers go broke after 5 years, I bet just as many don’t know when they get paid.  Do they get paid weekly, bi-weekly, semi-monthly, monthly?  I bet they don’t know.  Are their paychecks structured so they get paid all year round or just during the NBA season?  I bet most of them can’t answer that question.  On top of that, I bet they don’t know how much they pay in taxes: federal, state, property, I bet they have no clue.  But I think a lot of regular people don’t really know either.  Ask a normal person what they paid 3 years ago in taxes, and what they expect to pay in 2 years, they probably have no clue (especially if you have a significant other that takes care of it for you).  Just because somebody takes care of it for you, doesn’t mean you should be completely ignorant about it.

And then it’s just poor math skills.  Something that hits most everybody, not just athletes.   A young player with a $5m salary, probably thinks they have $5m to spend. I’ll buy a $1m house for me, and I’ll buy a $1m house for my mom, I’ll spend about $500k-$1m on toys for me (cars, jewelry, being Santa Claus for 50-100 of you closest friends and family members), and I’ll still have $2m left to pay my bills. Well federal taxes will take 35%, and NBA players get state taxes from 20 different states (look up jock tax, it 's crazy), as well as any foreign country you play in, plus agent fees and accountant fees, they’ll be lucky to take home half their salary.  So maybe they only have $2.5m, but they already spent $3m because they thought they have $5m.  A lot of people fall victim to this mentality, not just athletes, even though there are people telling them not to spend that much.

Not really the agents fault unless the agents are supposed to act like parents.

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 12:39:47 PM »

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I think the operating phrase here is "Can't fix stupid"

no sympathy for people earning millions for playing a kid's game and then throwing it away. 

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2012, 12:49:20 PM »

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Dennis Rodman?

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I think the operating phrase here is "Can't fix stupid"

no sympathy for people earning millions for playing a kid's game and then throwing it away.

On the one hand I agree with you.  I think these guys do need to take responsibility for their own actions.  The NBA, and the agents (yes, the agents) do a lot to try to give these guys the opportunity to become educated, and to do the right thing with their money.  There are all sorts of resources for them.

However, the problem is, the system before the get to the NBA is broken.  A huge percentage of these kids (and the real tragic ones are those who don't actually make it to the NBA) came up very poor.  But, once it was known they had talent, they get swept up into these AAU programs, and they get all kinds of people trying to latch onto them, in order to get their payday down the line.

This is the time when they should be learning how to manage money, and what the right things to do are, but instead, in many cases, they are just being taught how to spend money, and give it away.  And by the time they get to the NBA, they are not only uneducated about what to do with their money...but they already have a pretty large payroll from hangers-on and people who they feel they "owe", and they haven't been taught enough value to learn the right way to handle their money.

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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2012, 01:07:10 PM »

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I think the operating phrase here is "Can't fix stupid"

no sympathy for people earning millions for playing a kid's game and then throwing it away.

On the one hand I agree with you.  I think these guys do need to take responsibility for their own actions.  The NBA, and the agents (yes, the agents) do a lot to try to give these guys the opportunity to become educated, and to do the right thing with their money.  There are all sorts of resources for them.

However, the problem is, the system before the get to the NBA is broken.  A huge percentage of these kids (and the real tragic ones are those who don't actually make it to the NBA) came up very poor.  But, once it was known they had talent, they get swept up into these AAU programs, and they get all kinds of people trying to latch onto them, in order to get their payday down the line.

This is the time when they should be learning how to manage money, and what the right things to do are, but instead, in many cases, they are just being taught how to spend money, and give it away.  And by the time they get to the NBA, they are not only uneducated about what to do with their money...but they already have a pretty large payroll from hangers-on and people who they feel they "owe", and they haven't been taught enough value to learn the right way to handle their money.

I agree with this.

One thing that always amazed me about people's views of athletes was that most of these guys have been coddled and given a free pass for much of their formative years. Never held to any kind of accountability or given any real responsibility. And then people expect more from them (whether it's lifestyle, finances, behaviour on or off the court, arrest records, etc.), because they're wealthy "role models"?  If anything we should expect less from them.

Still, in the end it's their responsibility, but really my bar for professional athletes life choices is pretty low, while others seem to set it pretty high.

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