Blow It Up.

[blastoidesroidsnoids]

just as rondo makes kg and pierce better, they make him better. everybody else except maybe terry will depend on rondos bidding to function as a force to be reckoned with. Having kg and pp makes us much more effective because there is already so much of an illusion around the league that everythings up to rondo. So essentially our offense runs on 2 different levels, rondos and ppkg's. And ofcourse they overlap much of the time, but its important that they arent 100 percent dependent on eachother.

[xmuscularghandix]

In a way the Celtics have blown it up.

The starting lineup now has three players who are 27 and under. The other two players are great jump shooters who are just good individual defenders, and great team defenders. Off the bench they have 26 year old Jeff Green, Jared Sullinger (20), and a 7 foot project big man in Fab Melo who is only 22 himself.

Obviously the bench also has older guys like Jason Terry and Keyon Dooling, but those are the type of veterans who want coming off the bench behind two young studs. Now add in Courtney Lee...



HAVE MERCY!!!

[dwayne celtic]

this team is build around rajon rondo now if it wasnt they would've given ray allen his wish of 20 sumn million over 3yrs. this is rondo's team and i rather we stay competitive than have dog days wishing for something good to happen

[bfrombleacher]

I thought this was another old thread that Kiorrik posted. I'm paranoid now haha.

[bucknersrevenge]

Yea, haven't you learned from Orlando? They didn't build around Howard, so he wanted out. Now you want to potentially put Rondo in the same situation? Whatever, man. 

Precisely the point - I WANT to build around Rondo!  The current team was built around KG/PP.  Which was great 5 years ago, but the situation has changed.

Most of the current team got added within the last 2 offseasons including this one. If you can't see how this team was tailored to Rondo's game I don't know what else to say.

[scottwedman]

this team is build around rajon rondo now if it wasnt they would've given ray allen his wish of 20 sumn million over 3yrs. this is rondo's team and i rather we stay competitive than have dog days wishing for something good to happen

I guess we will agree to disagree.

I don't want "competitive." 

I want "champion."

[syfy9]

this team is build around rajon rondo now if it wasnt they would've given ray allen his wish of 20 sumn million over 3yrs. this is rondo's team and i rather we stay competitive than have dog days wishing for something good to happen

I guess we will agree to disagree.

I don't want "competitive." 

I want "champion."

You have to be "competitive" to be a "champion".

By taking a "competitive" team and blowing it up in hopes of making it a "more competitive" team will take a 22 year odyssey.

[More Banners]

this team is build around rajon rondo now if it wasnt they would've given ray allen his wish of 20 sumn million over 3yrs. this is rondo's team and i rather we stay competitive than have dog days wishing for something good to happen

I guess we will agree to disagree.

I don't want "competitive." 

I want "champion."

You have to be "competitive" to be a "champion".

By taking a "competitive" team and blowing it up in hopes of making it a "more competitive" team will take a 22 year odyssey.

"in the mix" ain't bad, and sure beats the heck out of "rebuilding" or "developing assets" any day.

Every champion needs a few lucky bounces.  We're in position for a kind bounce.

every contender is one bad ankle away from a lost season.  We're ready to pounce.

I'd still be looking to make an upgrade (a longer/bigger PF), but we're in a nice place right now.

[colincb]

If you can't handle your liquor, stop drinking. This thread is a prime example of what happens when one's brain stops working right due to excessive abuse at a tender young age.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Define "realistic"?

Alright, let's talk realistic...

I think as currently constructed, C's are a top 4 team in the East.  Not top 2 - top 4. 

Name three teams definitively better than Boston going into this year. I'd say Miami is better, but that's about it.

Rondo is at his prime and is a top-5 player in the league.

Ignoring the absurdity of Rondo actually being a top 5 player in the NBA, wouldn't you say we should try and win if we had such a player?

KG and Pierce are very effective - but no where near their primes.  Both are well over 35.

Paul Pierce is 34.

Green is coming off an injury that cost him an entire season and was a decent-but-nowhere-near-all-star caliber player before the injury.

Then it's probably a good thing he's coming off the bench.

Avery Brady is a promising young player . . . but he's not going to be the next Joe Dumars.

I think I can live having a starting SG who isn't as good as Hall of Famer Joe Dumars.

Our bench guys are solid and talented.

Sounds like another good reason not to blow it up.

What does that add up to?  A couple of 45-52 win seasons and 2nd round exits, with an occasional foray into the ECF.  Until KG retires . . . and PP retires . . . without preparation and we become a perennial 41-50 win/5th-6th seed, stuck in the middle.  Not good enough to win it all, but too good to strike it rich in the lottery.

A 52 win, veteran team with good depth and what you claim to be a top 5 NBA player isn't good enough to win it all?

This franchise is about CHAMPIONSHIPS, not playoff appearances.  We got our last championship by putting ourselves into position to trade for two Hall-of-Famers, which we were only able to do because we had a lottery pick (Jeff Green) and other players recently drafted in the lottery (Telfair, Jefferson) and other 1st round drafted players to send them.

So, we should trade for two future Hall-of-Famers? Sounds exceedingly simple. Let's offer all of our bench players for LeBron and Wade and see if Miami bites!

I don't want us to be in the Pacers//jazz mold of "teams-that-were-never-good-enough-to-get-over-the-hump."

For the next three years, we're essentially building around the core of a team that won a title one year, lost in Game 7 of the NBA Finals another year, and lost in Game 7 of the ECF to the eventual champs another year. I think this group might just be better than the Pacers of a few years ago.

We need to get to 18 banners before the Fakers!!!!!!!!!

Yeah! Let's go out and get someone better than Dwight Howard! (Oh, I guess LeBron and Durant aren't available... Crap)

[dark_lord]

Define "realistic"?

Alright, let's talk realistic...

I think as currently constructed, C's are a top 4 team in the East.  Not top 2 - top 4. 

Name three teams definitively better than Boston going into this year. I'd say Miami is better, but that's about it.

Rondo is at his prime and is a top-5 player in the league.

Ignoring the absurdity of Rondo actually being a top 5 player in the NBA, wouldn't you say we should try and win if we had such a player?

KG and Pierce are very effective - but no where near their primes.  Both are well over 35.

Paul Pierce is 34.

Green is coming off an injury that cost him an entire season and was a decent-but-nowhere-near-all-star caliber player before the injury.

Then it's probably a good thing he's coming off the bench.

Avery Brady is a promising young player . . . but he's not going to be the next Joe Dumars.

I think I can live having a starting SG who isn't as good as Hall of Famer Joe Dumars.

Our bench guys are solid and talented.

Sounds like another good reason not to blow it up.

What does that add up to?  A couple of 45-52 win seasons and 2nd round exits, with an occasional foray into the ECF.  Until KG retires . . . and PP retires . . . without preparation and we become a perennial 41-50 win/5th-6th seed, stuck in the middle.  Not good enough to win it all, but too good to strike it rich in the lottery.

A 52 win, veteran team with good depth and what you claim to be a top 5 NBA player isn't good enough to win it all?

This franchise is about CHAMPIONSHIPS, not playoff appearances.  We got our last championship by putting ourselves into position to trade for two Hall-of-Famers, which we were only able to do because we had a lottery pick (Jeff Green) and other players recently drafted in the lottery (Telfair, Jefferson) and other 1st round drafted players to send them.

So, we should trade for two future Hall-of-Famers? Sounds exceedingly simple. Let's offer all of our bench players for LeBron and Wade and see if Miami bites!

I don't want us to be in the Pacers//jazz mold of "teams-that-were-never-good-enough-to-get-over-the-hump."

For the next three years, we're essentially building around the core of a team that won a title one year, lost in Game 7 of the NBA Finals another year, and lost in Game 7 of the ECF to the eventual champs another year. I think this group might just be better than the Pacers of a few years ago.

We need to get to 18 banners before the Fakers!!!!!!!!!

Yeah! Let's go out and get someone better than Dwight Howard! (Oh, I guess LeBron and Durant aren't available... Crap)

tp!

[jdz101]

Wouldn't be a celticsblog offseason without one of these.

[slamtheking]

Define "realistic"?

Alright, let's talk realistic...

I think as currently constructed, C's are a top 4 team in the East.  Not top 2 - top 4. 

Name three teams definitively better than Boston going into this year. I'd say Miami is better, but that's about it.

Rondo is at his prime and is a top-5 player in the league.

Ignoring the absurdity of Rondo actually being a top 5 player in the NBA, wouldn't you say we should try and win if we had such a player?

KG and Pierce are very effective - but no where near their primes.  Both are well over 35.

Paul Pierce is 34.

Green is coming off an injury that cost him an entire season and was a decent-but-nowhere-near-all-star caliber player before the injury.

Then it's probably a good thing he's coming off the bench.

Avery Brady is a promising young player . . . but he's not going to be the next Joe Dumars.

I think I can live having a starting SG who isn't as good as Hall of Famer Joe Dumars.

Our bench guys are solid and talented.

Sounds like another good reason not to blow it up.

What does that add up to?  A couple of 45-52 win seasons and 2nd round exits, with an occasional foray into the ECF.  Until KG retires . . . and PP retires . . . without preparation and we become a perennial 41-50 win/5th-6th seed, stuck in the middle.  Not good enough to win it all, but too good to strike it rich in the lottery.

A 52 win, veteran team with good depth and what you claim to be a top 5 NBA player isn't good enough to win it all?

This franchise is about CHAMPIONSHIPS, not playoff appearances.  We got our last championship by putting ourselves into position to trade for two Hall-of-Famers, which we were only able to do because we had a lottery pick (Jeff Green) and other players recently drafted in the lottery (Telfair, Jefferson) and other 1st round drafted players to send them.

So, we should trade for two future Hall-of-Famers? Sounds exceedingly simple. Let's offer all of our bench players for LeBron and Wade and see if Miami bites!

I don't want us to be in the Pacers//jazz mold of "teams-that-were-never-good-enough-to-get-over-the-hump."

For the next three years, we're essentially building around the core of a team that won a title one year, lost in Game 7 of the NBA Finals another year, and lost in Game 7 of the ECF to the eventual champs another year. I think this group might just be better than the Pacers of a few years ago.

We need to get to 18 banners before the Fakers!!!!!!!!!

Yeah! Let's go out and get someone better than Dwight Howard! (Oh, I guess LeBron and Durant aren't available... Crap)

nice breakdown.  tp for trying to inject some reality

[Who]

I think the Celtics are a top five team in the league right now. Best to keep it together and see if Danny can make another move to put the team over the top.

[Moranis]

Everyone on here knows I was a proponent of the blow it up last year course of action.  Additionally, they know I wasn't a fan of this past summer's signings.  That said, there is no way you blow the team up right now.  That time has come and gone.  Now if the team is a train wreck at the deadline, you consider it or if it fails in the post season then next summer you consider it, but you do not touch the team right now unless it is to add someone to the team that will help right now (you know like Josh Smith for Bass, Sullinger, and Bradley or something like that).