Current Hall of Famers?

[Eja117]

Derron WIlliams
Durant

since it's the basketball HOF I think Melo gets it when you add in his Cuse year

[Finkelskyhook]

If overt tankers like McGrady, Carter, or Iverson get it...They ought to blow it up because it means nothing.

Players who undermine their teams for trades...No matter how good, should be treated like steroid users in baseball.

Add Howard and the snitchster to that list.

[celtsfan84]

A name I haven't seen mentioned - Grant Hill.  Sure he lost a lot of prime years to injuries, but he also has 2 college rings, a gold medal, and is very popular and well-respected both as a person and an ambassador of the game.

Plus despite the injuries he has 17000 points, 6000 reb, 4000 assists, 1200 steals, 500 blocks.  7 All-Star Games, 1 First Team All-NBA. 4 Second Teams.  Not shabby at all.  He might not make an NBA HOF, but he'll get in the Basketball HOF.

Yeah Grant Hill definitely doesn't make the NBA HoF, but he'll eventually get into the overall basketball HoF due to his college career.

I love Hall of Fame debates and to me the two most interesting candidates are Grant Hill and Vince Carter.

Grant probably gets in with help from his collegiate and international career, as you both had mentioned.

To me, Grant Hill and Vince Carter are both deserving overall.  It would be interesting to rank current NBA players and their worthiness of being in the Hall, as I may be considering too many current players.  After all, they will all be competing against each other for entry at some point.

I'm going to try to craft a list later when I have time.

[celtsfan84]

If overt tankers like McGrady, Carter, or Iverson get it...They ought to blow it up because it means nothing.

Players who undermine their teams for trades...No matter how good, should be treated like steroid users in baseball.

Add Howard and the snitchster to that list.

Bob McAdoo is in the Hall of Fame.  If McAdoo gets in, Iverson easily gets in.  Carter and McGrady are less certain.

[Boris Badenov]

I threw up in my mouth a little when reading this, but Bosh is quite highly ranked on the hall of fame monitor list:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html

Every player with a lifetime score at Bosh's level (0.84) or higher is in the Hall - with the exception of Jo Jo White who is only a few points higher.

In fact, the next fifteen or so eligible players below him are also all in the HOF. And there are many lower-ranked players who are probably locks (like Nash).

The ranking has its issues - for one, it really rewards championships relative to individual stats. But the fact is that Bosh is very high on the list, and if he keeps up his production and wins another ring or two, his numbers will only improve.

[wdleehi]

If overt tankers like McGrady, Carter, or Iverson get it...They ought to blow it up because it means nothing.

Players who undermine their teams for trades...No matter how good, should be treated like steroid users in baseball.

Add Howard and the snitchster to that list.

AI will get in.  Has any player who won the MVP not make it? 


So does that mean you do no want KG in?  Or Pierce?  Both of their teams were accused of tanking.  KG forced himself out of Minn.  Pierce was ready to do the same thing if the Celtics hadn't added KG and Allen. 

[Celtics18]

I threw up in my mouth a little when reading this, but Bosh is quite highly ranked on the hall of fame monitor list:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html

Every player with a lifetime score at Bosh's level (0.84) or higher is in the Hall - with the exception of Jo Jo White who is only a few points higher.

In fact, the next fifteen or so eligible players below him are also all in the HOF. And there are many lower-ranked players who are probably locks (like Nash).

The ranking has its issues - for one, it really rewards championships relative to individual stats. But the fact is that Bosh is very high on the list, and if he keeps up his production and wins another ring or two, his numbers will only improve.

Thanks for posting that.  I didn't know that existed.  It seems like the most overlooked guys as far as this thread is concerned are Bosh, Stoudemire, Chris Paul, and Shawn Marion. 

Manu seems to be ranked pretty low.  I don't think NBA Reference is taking his international success into account.

[Moranis]

If overt tankers like McGrady, Carter, or Iverson get it...They ought to blow it up because it means nothing.

Players who undermine their teams for trades...No matter how good, should be treated like steroid users in baseball.

Add Howard and the snitchster to that list.

AI will get in.  Has any player who won the MVP not make it? 


So does that mean you do no want KG in?  Or Pierce?  Both of their teams were accused of tanking.  KG forced himself out of Minn.  Pierce was ready to do the same thing if the Celtics hadn't added KG and Allen.

Every league MVP that is eligible is in the HOF, which also makes Dirk and Nash locks to get in.

[Finkelskyhook]

If overt tankers like McGrady, Carter, or Iverson get it...They ought to blow it up because it means nothing.

Players who undermine their teams for trades...No matter how good, should be treated like steroid users in baseball.

Add Howard and the snitchster to that list.

AI will get in.  Has any player who won the MVP not make it? 


So does that mean you do no want KG in?  Or Pierce?  Both of their teams were accused of tanking.  KG forced himself out of Minn.  Pierce was ready to do the same thing if the Celtics hadn't added KG and Allen.

Garnett didn't change his effort on the court to undermine his team.  Neither did Pierce.  (I have more of a problem with Pierce sitting out the rest of the season after a 50pt game during the shameless tanking season)  Speaking up when things aren't going well isn't a crime.  Giving a half effort to force a trade is unforgivable.  It should be a disqualifier. 

[celtsfan84]

I threw up in my mouth a little when reading this, but Bosh is quite highly ranked on the hall of fame monitor list:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html

Every player with a lifetime score at Bosh's level (0.84) or higher is in the Hall - with the exception of Jo Jo White who is only a few points higher.

In fact, the next fifteen or so eligible players below him are also all in the HOF. And there are many lower-ranked players who are probably locks (like Nash).

The ranking has its issues - for one, it really rewards championships relative to individual stats. But the fact is that Bosh is very high on the list, and if he keeps up his production and wins another ring or two, his numbers will only improve.

This is kind of what I was referring to when I made mention of having to rank current players because they are up against each other.

NBA players now last longer than they did previously due to better conditioning, training, healthier eating, surgical improvements, etc...  Also, now there are 30 teams, so obviously players get to go against weaker competition and a leading scorer on today's teams might have been a second or third option before.  You also don't see star players falling off the map due to cocaine issues anymore.  The landscape is different now than it was in 1972 so stat volume and number of potential candidates will grown exponentially.

Guys like Chris Bosh seem to have a case, but when they are lined up on the ballot against LeBron, Wade, Durant, Tony Parker, etc..., their chances start to slim.  Which is why it might seem like a Jason Terry has a chance due to volume of stats, but in reality he doesn't.  Bosh obviously has more of a chance than Terry, but Bosh has some work to do to get in, in my opinion.

[bdm860]

since it's the basketball HOF I think Melo gets it when you add in his Cuse year

Grant probably gets in with help from his collegiate and international career, as you both had mentioned.

I think you guys are giving wayyyy too much weight to college careers.

Carmelo Anthony because he won a championship at Syracuse?

I sure hope Rip Hamilton ain’t getting in because he has a ring at UConn and with the Pistons.
Guys like Glen Rice, Danny Manning, perennial NBA All-Stars with college rings and MOP awards aren’t in the Hall, nor should they be.

Who’s in the HOF that wouldn’t be there if it weren’t for their college career?

Bill Walton, 3x college POY, 3x First Team All American, 2x college champion, 2x Final Four MVP, 88 game winning streak.
Ralph Sampson, 3x college POY. 3x First Team All American.

That’s all I can think of, plus Chris Mullin, who had a great college career (3x Big East POY) and a great international career (member of 2 of the best Olympic teams of all time, ’84 and ’92), with a pretty good NBA career.

But Bill Walton and Ralph Sampson weren't just good in college, they dominated, they transcended the game.  Unless something truly rare happens, no player is getting in for what he did in college anymore.  Nobody.  Christian Laettner had probably the best college career of anybody that has played since the 1990’s, also Dream Team member, NBA All-Star.  He’s not making the Hall of Fame as an individual (though he’s in with the Dream Team). Nobody has had as a big of an impact as the Fab Five, but Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, and Jalen Rose ain’t getting in, despite college careers that transcended the game and pretty successful NBA careers.


Plus after the ’92 Dream Team, US players international careers aren’t really a big deal (maybe if you won like 3 medals), but no way Grant Hill’s one Olympic gold medal and nice college career is going to cut it.

Now, international career matters if you're the face of basketball for an entire country.  So Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Yao Ming, I get it.  But just an Olympic appearance or two now just isn't enough if you're from the US.  Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Mitch Richmond, Vin Baker, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Antonio McDyess, Tim Hardaway, Steve Smith don’t belong in the conversation.  They’re not even close despite successful NBA careers AND international success with a gold medal.  That’s why I think Grant Hill doesn’t have a chance.

[Who]

Yeah, I imagine Bosh will be a shoo-in in a few more years of team-success with Miami.

[CelticG1]

I think Carter has a legit shot as much as people hate to say it.

Much better than grant hill or mcgrady IMO

[colincb]

I threw up in my mouth a little when reading this, but Bosh is quite highly ranked on the hall of fame monitor list:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html

Every player with a lifetime score at Bosh's level (0.84) or higher is in the Hall - with the exception of Jo Jo White who is only a few points higher.

In fact, the next fifteen or so eligible players below him are also all in the HOF. And there are many lower-ranked players who are probably locks (like Nash).

The ranking has its issues - for one, it really rewards championships relative to individual stats. But the fact is that Bosh is very high on the list, and if he keeps up his production and wins another ring or two, his numbers will only improve.

To clarify, it's a statistical model based on regression analysis and when it was set up 96.7% of player's in an eligible pool used by the modeler were correctly predicted.  The model is better at predicting who doesn't get in than who does.  Championships have a larger effect, but that's typical of other HOF voting in other sports too. The following are the players predicted to have better than 50-50 chance of getting in along with the probability. Since the highest score not to make it was JoJo White at .8450, the model effectively forecasts the top 9 players (including KG, Pierce, and Allen) to be locks.

1.  Kobe Bryant    1.0000
2.  Tim Duncan    0.9999
3.  Kevin Garnett  0.9985
4.  LeBron James  0.9976
5.  Dwyane Wade  0.9967
6.  Dirk Nowitzki  0.9882
7.  Paul Pierce  0.9836
8.  Jason Kidd  0.9613
9.  Ray Allen  0.9382
10.  Chris Paul  0.8408
11.  Chris Bosh  0.8408
12.  Vince Carter  0.8135
13.  Dwight Howard  0.7209
14.  Tony Parker  0.7121
15.  Carmelo Anthony  0.6898
16.  Pau Gasol  0.6356
17.  Amare Stoudemire  0.6027
18.  Tracy McGrady  0.5822
19.  Steve Nash 0.5761

[Who]

I sure hope Rip Hamilton ain’t getting in because he has a ring at UConn and with the Pistons.

Rip Hamilton is a good one. Very much on the borderline.

Leading scorer on the 2004 Pistons title team (a rare type of title winner and success story). Lost another NBA Finals in a game seven that went down to the wire. What was it - 6 straight conference finals and 7 straight 50 win seasons? An NCAA title on top of that. That is a pretty impressive resume. 

I could see Rip getting in. Very close though. Could go either way. If Rip did get in, I think he'd have to wait a very long time though.

However, the way his career is finishing up isn't helping. It would be great if he could sort that out and be a good solid starter on a title contender for another 2-3 years.