Will Terry retire a Celtic? / be a HOF'er?

[action781]

I cannot believe anyone can argue with a straight face that Jason Terry should be in the HOF.  It is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board. 

His career isn't over yet and his career totals are pretty impressive.  If he were to come up clutch in another postseason title run, then I'd say he's in the discussion.  Top 40 scorer of all time... 2x champion... clutch scorer in 2 improbable underdog championship runs?  Again, that is a big if, but his career isn't over yet.

And for anyone says that Terry was a "role player" for those Mavs: Terry averaged 17.5 ppg in 32.6 mpg in the playoffs that season.  That's 2nd on the team by a huge margin and more than (gasp!) Ray Allen averaged in the celtics '08 run.  By that logic, one would have to say that Ray Allen and Manu Ginobili were also "role players".

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.

Where would you rank him right now in terms of NBA guards? 

In his best season, where would you rank him in terms of NBA guards?

He doesn't have a single All-NBA team on his resume and beyond scoring he has not brought a whole lot to the table as a player.

I would imagine that the consensus here would be about 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavericks instead of signing with the Celtics.  I can't think of a Hall of Famer with a less impressive resume than Jason Terry.

I'm glad he is a Celtic.  I'll say the same for Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, etc... As of right now, none of them are Hall of Famers.

Our potential Hall of Fame list reads: KG (a lock), Pierce (a lock), Rondo (headed that way), Doc as a coach (getting close already), Danny as an executive (a little work to do, but very possible).

All great points/questions.  Right now, at age 34, probably rank him around 25th overall in terms of guards (that's from looking at a list of my positions all ranked).

I have no idea where I'd rank him in his best season.  10th?  If there are 5 guards on each all star team, 10th would be the last guard or "borderline" all-star, yet considerably distant from an all-nba team selection, which sounds about right for him at his best.

You're absolutely right that my opinion would be 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavs.  But that is only because I wouldn't have put any real thought into it, would have had no idea that he is a top 40 all time scorer (which I learned in this thread), and answered only on impulse.

EDIT - I took someone's words here for granted that Jason Terry is a top 40 all-time scorer.  He is currently 86th all time.  That significantly changes my opinion.  He needs 4,011 more points (16ppg over next 3 seasons, but playoff scoring would allow that to be less) to beat Mitch Richmond for the 40th spot.  Every player currently in the top 40 is either in the HoF or a lock to make it (except I don't know about Richmond).


p.s. Bernard King is not in the hall of fame?! 

[Moranis]

I cannot believe anyone can argue with a straight face that Jason Terry should be in the HOF.  It is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board. 

His career isn't over yet and his career totals are pretty impressive.  If he were to come up clutch in another postseason title run, then I'd say he's in the discussion.  Top 40 scorer of all time... 2x champion... clutch scorer in 2 improbable underdog championship runs?  Again, that is a big if, but his career isn't over yet.

And for anyone says that Terry was a "role player" for those Mavs: Terry averaged 17.5 ppg in 32.6 mpg in the playoffs that season.  That's 2nd on the team by a huge margin and more than (gasp!) Ray Allen averaged in the celtics '08 run.  By that logic, one would have to say that Ray Allen and Manu Ginobili were also "role players".

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.

Where would you rank him right now in terms of NBA guards? 

In his best season, where would you rank him in terms of NBA guards?

He doesn't have a single All-NBA team on his resume and beyond scoring he has not brought a whole lot to the table as a player.

I would imagine that the consensus here would be about 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavericks instead of signing with the Celtics.  I can't think of a Hall of Famer with a less impressive resume than Jason Terry.

I'm glad he is a Celtic.  I'll say the same for Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, etc... As of right now, none of them are Hall of Famers.

Our potential Hall of Fame list reads: KG (a lock), Pierce (a lock), Rondo (headed that way), Doc as a coach (getting close already), Danny as an executive (a little work to do, but very possible).

All great points/questions.  Right now, at age 34, probably rank him around 25th overall in terms of guards (that's from looking at a list of my positions all ranked).

I have no idea where I'd rank him in his best season.  10th?  If there are 5 guards on each all star team, 10th would be the last guard or "borderline" all-star, yet considerably distant from an all-nba team selection, which sounds about right for him at his best.

You're absolutely right that my opinion would be 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavs.  But that is only because I wouldn't have put any real thought into it, would have had no idea that he is a top 40 all time scorer (which I learned in this thread), and answered only on impulse.

EDIT - I took someone's words here for granted that Jason Terry is a top 40 all-time scorer.  He is currently 86th all time.  That significantly changes my opinion.  He needs 4,011 more points (16ppg over next 3 seasons, but playoff scoring would allow that to be less) to beat Mitch Richmond for the 40th spot.  Every player currently in the top 40 is either in the HoF or a lock to make it (except I don't know about Richmond).


p.s. Bernard King is not in the hall of fame?!

Jason Terry's career bests are 19.7 ppg, 7.4 apg, and 4.1 rpg.  He has only been over 18 ppg 3 times, only over 5.5 apg 2 times, and only over 3.5 rpg 1 time. 

Longevity doesn't make you a HOFer, greatness does.  Terry played a very long time and a very good career, but he isn't a HOFer.  I mean is Cliff Robinson a HOFer (the guy currently 40th in points).  Uncle Cliffy is one of only three players in NBA history (along with Hakeem and KG) with at least 19500 points, 6300 rebounds, 3000 assists, 1400 steal, and 1390 blocks and you don't see anyone putting him in the HOF or clamoring for him to be there.

Jason Terry has never been considered a top ten player during any particular season.  In fact, I'd be surprised if he was ever even considered a top 25 player in any particular season.  That isn't a HOFer.

[bdm860]

EDIT - I took someone's words here for granted that Jason Terry is a top 40 all-time scorer.  He is currently 86th all time.  That significantly changes my opinion.  He needs 4,011 more points (16ppg over next 3 seasons, but playoff scoring would allow that to be less) to beat Mitch Richmond for the 40th spot.  Every player currently in the top 40 is either in the HoF or a lock to make it (except I don't know about Richmond).


p.s. Bernard King is not in the hall of fame?!

When you look at the scoring, look at it like this, let’s go down a list of players with about as many points as Terry and see who deserves to be in the HOF:

Current Players:
(not a list of all players, just comparable to Terry).

Vince Carter: 21,135
Antawn Jamison: 19,246
Tracy McGrady: 18,381
Jason Terry: 16,487
Jerry Stackhouse: 16,227
Juwan Howard: 16,138
Shawn Marion: 15.821
Elton Brand: 15,724
Richard Hamilton: 15,218
Rashard Lewis: 15,026

Vince Carter is the only one I really think is debatable (but I sure hope not).  None of the other guys are even close, but just about everyone except maybe Juwan Howard has better résumé than Terry. None of those guys should make the Hall.

Now former players:

Mitch Richmond: 20,497
Tom Chambers: 20,049
Bernard King: 19,655
Cliff Robinson: 19,591
Walter Davis: 19,521
Terry Cummings: 19,460
Eddie Johnson: 19,202
Reggie Theus: 19,015
Dale Ellis: 19,004
Mark Aguirre: 18,458
Glen Rice: 18,336
World B. Free: 17,955

I’ve seen arguments for Bernard King and Mark Aguirre that they should be in the HOF, and maybe you can argue a couple of other guys too, but mostly those guys aren’t in the HOF, nor should they be.  But for the most part they have better or very similar résumés tp Terry.

Scoring and a 6th man role on a couple of winning teams ain't gonna do it for Terry.

[celtsfan84]

I cannot believe anyone can argue with a straight face that Jason Terry should be in the HOF.  It is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board. 

His career isn't over yet and his career totals are pretty impressive.  If he were to come up clutch in another postseason title run, then I'd say he's in the discussion.  Top 40 scorer of all time... 2x champion... clutch scorer in 2 improbable underdog championship runs?  Again, that is a big if, but his career isn't over yet.

And for anyone says that Terry was a "role player" for those Mavs: Terry averaged 17.5 ppg in 32.6 mpg in the playoffs that season.  That's 2nd on the team by a huge margin and more than (gasp!) Ray Allen averaged in the celtics '08 run.  By that logic, one would have to say that Ray Allen and Manu Ginobili were also "role players".

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.

Where would you rank him right now in terms of NBA guards? 

In his best season, where would you rank him in terms of NBA guards?

He doesn't have a single All-NBA team on his resume and beyond scoring he has not brought a whole lot to the table as a player.

I would imagine that the consensus here would be about 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavericks instead of signing with the Celtics.  I can't think of a Hall of Famer with a less impressive resume than Jason Terry.

I'm glad he is a Celtic.  I'll say the same for Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, etc... As of right now, none of them are Hall of Famers.

Our potential Hall of Fame list reads: KG (a lock), Pierce (a lock), Rondo (headed that way), Doc as a coach (getting close already), Danny as an executive (a little work to do, but very possible).

All great points/questions.  Right now, at age 34, probably rank him around 25th overall in terms of guards (that's from looking at a list of my positions all ranked).

I have no idea where I'd rank him in his best season.  10th?  If there are 5 guards on each all star team, 10th would be the last guard or "borderline" all-star, yet considerably distant from an all-nba team selection, which sounds about right for him at his best.

You're absolutely right that my opinion would be 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavs.  But that is only because I wouldn't have put any real thought into it, would have had no idea that he is a top 40 all time scorer (which I learned in this thread), and answered only on impulse.

EDIT - I took someone's words here for granted that Jason Terry is a top 40 all-time scorer.  He is currently 86th all time.  That significantly changes my opinion.  He needs 4,011 more points (16ppg over next 3 seasons, but playoff scoring would allow that to be less) to beat Mitch Richmond for the 40th spot.  Every player currently in the top 40 is either in the HoF or a lock to make it (except I don't know about Richmond).


p.s. Bernard King is not in the hall of fame?!

Jason Terry's career bests are 19.7 ppg, 7.4 apg, and 4.1 rpg.  He has only been over 18 ppg 3 times, only over 5.5 apg 2 times, and only over 3.5 rpg 1 time. 

Longevity doesn't make you a HOFer, greatness does.  Terry played a very long time and a very good career, but he isn't a HOFer.  I mean is Cliff Robinson a HOFer (the guy currently 40th in points).  Uncle Cliffy is one of only three players in NBA history (along with Hakeem and KG) with at least 19500 points, 6300 rebounds, 3000 assists, 1400 steal, and 1390 blocks and you don't see anyone putting him in the HOF or clamoring for him to be there.

Jason Terry has never been considered a top ten player during any particular season.  In fact, I'd be surprised if he was ever even considered a top 25 player in any particular season.  That isn't a HOFer.

This is the key point to me.  Terry has good longevity, but he has probably never in his career been a top 25 player.

[Finkelskyhook]

It's more of a reach to think Tank Carter belongs in the HOF discussion than it is that Terry does.  (And no case can be made for Terry.)  Anybody who brags about tanking for a trade doesn't belong in the NBA....Let alone the HOF.  Beyond his athletism, the tankster wasn't that good anyway.

There will be people who believe career team underminers like Iverson and McGrady belong in.....2 more players who have tanked for trades.  Hall Of fame is for champions...Or at least people who conducted themselves as champions while being outstanding.

Horry absolutely belongs.  There's a reason he has that many championships.

The way contracts are traded it's as predictable as the weather as to whether Terry will retire here or not.

[action781]

Where would you rank him right now in terms of NBA guards? 

In his best season, where would you rank him in terms of NBA guards?

He doesn't have a single All-NBA team on his resume and beyond scoring he has not brought a whole lot to the table as a player.

I would imagine that the consensus here would be about 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavericks instead of signing with the Celtics.  I can't think of a Hall of Famer with a less impressive resume than Jason Terry.

I'm glad he is a Celtic.  I'll say the same for Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, etc... As of right now, none of them are Hall of Famers.

Our potential Hall of Fame list reads: KG (a lock), Pierce (a lock), Rondo (headed that way), Doc as a coach (getting close already), Danny as an executive (a little work to do, but very possible).

All great points/questions.  Right now, at age 34, probably rank him around 25th overall in terms of guards (that's from looking at a list of my positions all ranked).

I have no idea where I'd rank him in his best season.  10th?  If there are 5 guards on each all star team, 10th would be the last guard or "borderline" all-star, yet considerably distant from an all-nba team selection, which sounds about right for him at his best.

You're absolutely right that my opinion would be 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavs.  But that is only because I wouldn't have put any real thought into it, would have had no idea that he is a top 40 all time scorer (which I learned in this thread), and answered only on impulse.

EDIT - I took someone's words here for granted that Jason Terry is a top 40 all-time scorer.  He is currently 86th all time.  That significantly changes my opinion.  He needs 4,011 more points (16ppg over next 3 seasons, but playoff scoring would allow that to be less) to beat Mitch Richmond for the 40th spot.  Every player currently in the top 40 is either in the HoF or a lock to make it (except I don't know about Richmond).


p.s. Bernard King is not in the hall of fame?!

Jason Terry's career bests are 19.7 ppg, 7.4 apg, and 4.1 rpg.  He has only been over 18 ppg 3 times, only over 5.5 apg 2 times, and only over 3.5 rpg 1 time. 

Longevity doesn't make you a HOFer, greatness does.  Terry played a very long time and a very good career, but he isn't a HOFer.  I mean is Cliff Robinson a HOFer (the guy currently 40th in points).  Uncle Cliffy is one of only three players in NBA history (along with Hakeem and KG) with at least 19500 points, 6300 rebounds, 3000 assists, 1400 steal, and 1390 blocks and you don't see anyone putting him in the HOF or clamoring for him to be there.

Jason Terry has never been considered a top ten player during any particular season.  In fact, I'd be surprised if he was ever even considered a top 25 player in any particular season.  That isn't a HOFer.

FYI, those rankings I mentioned were referring back to the question about ranking Terry in terms of "NBA guards".

Greatness certainly takes precedence over longevity.  But there is something to be said about longevity as well.

I probably wasn't clear, but my belief is that he should not make it as of this moment.  But if he were to crack the top 40 all time scoring list and the celtics win a championship over the next 3 seasons with the help of some Jason Terry clutch scoring, I think he is worth a listen.

[action781]

It's more of a reach to think Tank Carter belongs in the HOF discussion than it is that Terry does.  (And no case can be made for Terry.)  Anybody who brags about tanking for a trade doesn't belong in the NBA....Let alone the HOF.  Beyond his athletism, the tankster wasn't that good anyway.

While this may sound crazy, I actually think that this might be VC's best card to get into the hall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieXETZVLJa4

[celtsfan84]

It's more of a reach to think Tank Carter belongs in the HOF discussion than it is that Terry does.  (And no case can be made for Terry.)  Anybody who brags about tanking for a trade doesn't belong in the NBA....Let alone the HOF.  Beyond his athletism, the tankster wasn't that good anyway.

There will be people who believe career team underminers like Iverson and McGrady belong in.....2 more players who have tanked for trades.  Hall Of fame is for champions...Or at least people who conducted themselves as champions while being outstanding.

Horry absolutely belongs.  There's a reason he has that many championships.

The way contracts are traded it's as predictable as the weather as to whether Terry will retire here or not.

Iverson is probably a lock for the Hall of Fame.  I'm not a huge fan of the guy myself, but he does have a league MVP and he did take a team to the Finals as their only scorer of any note.  His 76ers team was also the only team to beat the Lakers during their memorable 15-1 postseason run, behind 48 from Allen Iverson.  The Lakers swept Portland, Sacramento, and San Antonio that season.  Iverson gets in the Hall of Fame based on that season alone.

Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady have cases as well.

[Finkelskyhook]

It's more of a reach to think Tank Carter belongs in the HOF discussion than it is that Terry does.  (And no case can be made for Terry.)  Anybody who brags about tanking for a trade doesn't belong in the NBA....Let alone the HOF.  Beyond his athletism, the tankster wasn't that good anyway.

There will be people who believe career team underminers like Iverson and McGrady belong in.....2 more players who have tanked for trades.  Hall Of fame is for champions...Or at least people who conducted themselves as champions while being outstanding.

Horry absolutely belongs.  There's a reason he has that many championships.

The way contracts are traded it's as predictable as the weather as to whether Terry will retire here or not.

Iverson is probably a lock for the Hall of Fame.  I'm not a huge fan of the guy myself, but he does have a league MVP and he did take a team to the Finals as their only scorer of any note.  His 76ers team was also the only team to beat the Lakers during their memorable 15-1 postseason run, behind 48 from Allen Iverson.  The Lakers swept Portland, Sacramento, and San Antonio that season.  Iverson gets in the Hall of Fame based on that season alone.

Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady have cases as well.

If any of those three make the Hall of Fame it should be forever closed. 

[Lightskinsmurf]

If hes a key part to bringing the celtics at least two championships i say retire his number. One championship probably not but still much appreciated

[Lightskinsmurf]

Oh you were saying would he retire a celtic ? Lol um i say its a good chance he does but that depends on how much he has left in the tank after his contract expires. If he can win another championship with us plus hes 4th all time in 3's made. That's HOF material.

[celtsfan84]

It's more of a reach to think Tank Carter belongs in the HOF discussion than it is that Terry does.  (And no case can be made for Terry.)  Anybody who brags about tanking for a trade doesn't belong in the NBA....Let alone the HOF.  Beyond his athletism, the tankster wasn't that good anyway.

There will be people who believe career team underminers like Iverson and McGrady belong in.....2 more players who have tanked for trades.  Hall Of fame is for champions...Or at least people who conducted themselves as champions while being outstanding.

Horry absolutely belongs.  There's a reason he has that many championships.

The way contracts are traded it's as predictable as the weather as to whether Terry will retire here or not.

Iverson is probably a lock for the Hall of Fame.  I'm not a huge fan of the guy myself, but he does have a league MVP and he did take a team to the Finals as their only scorer of any note.  His 76ers team was also the only team to beat the Lakers during their memorable 15-1 postseason run, behind 48 from Allen Iverson.  The Lakers swept Portland, Sacramento, and San Antonio that season.  Iverson gets in the Hall of Fame based on that season alone.

Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady have cases as well.

If any of those three make the Hall of Fame it should be forever closed.

Bob McAdoo is in the Hall of Fame.  You can Google some articles and find Red Auerbach's opinion of him.

I think if Iverson doesn't make it to the Hall of Fame that it should be forever closed.

In early 1979, the New York Knicks traded forward Bob McAdoo to the Celtics for little-used forward Tom Barker and three first round draft picks without the knowledge or consent of General Manager Red Auerbach. Red was so disgusted with Celtics ownership that he almost followed the lost draft picks to New York. McAdoo pouted on the bench for half of a miserable 29 and 53 season.

[SHAQATTACK]

I hope so..cause that would mean we probally win # 18&19

[xmuscularghandix]

The question i think about more often is whether or not Jason Terry is a Hall of Famer. He has more points, rebounds, and assists than Joe Dumars with about the same amount of Games Played.

Obviously Joe Dumars is a much better defensive player and was only considered a team's top offensive option for a few seasons in the middle of his career. Then again Jason Terry could never have been considered a team's first option and he has also be praised over his career as one of the league's greatest 6th Men.

jason terry in the HOF?!?!?!

6th man of the year, and 2nd team all rookie....those are his only achievments.  he was a role player on one championship team. comparing him to dumars is laughable based on their nba resumes

I didn't compare him to Dumars, I just said he has more total stats than a guy that's in the HOF. Obviously Dumars is a MUCH better player but to say Terry's only accomplishments are 2nd team all-rookie and a 6th man award just shows how little you know. Terry has elected to spend his career coming off the bench instead of forcing himself to a lesser team just to be a starter.

[2short]

He has a much much better chance of retiring a celtic than making the hall of fame.
He is not hall material, like his game but he's not that level.
sidney moncrief isn't in, dj took quite some time to make it etc etc