Will Terry retire a Celtic? / be a HOF'er?

[dark_lord]

His durability isn't being talked about (maybe it's for fear of jinxing it), but Jason Terry has been a true iron man for a long time in this league.

 

but i also attribute them to his ability to stay healthy and be durable during a 13 or 14 (whichever it is) year career. 

 

[Mr Green]

Arvydas Sabonis and Drazen Petrovic have both been inducted into the hall of fame, but I don't remember seeing either playing in an NBA all star game. Neither of them won an NBA title either.

Technically speaking, it's the 'Naismith Hall of Fame', not the 'NBA Hall of Fame', so if a player has a significant enough career I don't think an absence of NBA all star appearances would ultimately be fatal to their induction chances.

On the flip side, Bernard King had 4 NBA all star aappearances and he famously isn't in the Hall of Fame.

Like Jason Terry, Robert Horry also never played in an NBA all star game, but he has 7 rings compared to JET's 1. Food for thought but unfortunately the only people who have  the answers are the Hall's anonymous voting committee.

[CelticsFan9]

and ur comparison to harden validates my claim....he was a role player on that team.  with okc, harden played a role, but the team lives and dies with durant and westbrook.

Harden should have been starting over Sefolosha, but they found him more valuable off the bench, much like Manu Ginobili. You can't just label any bench player as a role player. Harden made plenty of clutch shots, including that dagger three in the WCF. He was much more than a role player and I think most here would agree with me.

Terry is on pace to score 20,000+ points in his career, which will put him top 40 all time. The only active players with 20,000+ points are...

Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Ray Allen
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Vince Carter

ALL of whom are hall-of-famers. That, plus his 3-pointers, plus 16 NBA seasons, puts him in the conversation. I'm not saying he's a definite, but it wouldn't be outrageous. There are players who miss out on all-star games simply because they played on teams where they weren't the first option, but they are still hall-of-fame caliber players. K.C. Jones comes to mind.

harden stepped up, but that doesnt mean he isnt a role player (a very good one).  same goes for terry.  he is a very good role player.....he is not an all star (and has never been one his entire career) and he has no business being in the HOF

serious question, has there ever been an nba player inducted to the hof that has never made a single all star game (i have no idea, which is why i ask)

... K.C. Jones ...

so terry just need 7 more titles if he hopes to get in 

Going by your logic, Robert Horry should be in the Hall of Fame.  He made the Rookie 2nd team, and won 7 championships.  Personally, I wouldn't put him in.  Horry is great for memories and DVDs detailing clutch shots, but he's not a Hall of Fame player.

Which brings me to this question:  in your opinion, who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame more: Jason Terry or Robert Horry?

[mgent]

I was reading Forsberg's daily summer piece on the Celtics (link) and he wrote, "this is almost certainly the JET's last flight."

Terry will have just turned 35 when the season starts, which means he'll be 37 when he wraps up his 3-year contract with the Celtics. I'm not so sure he'll retire then, for two reasons. First, he seems to truly love the game. Second, he's in pretty good shape for his age.

What do you guys think? Will Terry retire after his three seasons as a Celtic?

I wouldn't call him in "good" shape for his age like say Ray Allen, but I give him a 10-15% chance of continuing to play.

HOF?  Nah.

[Jon]

No way the Jet is a Hall of Famer.

Way too early to tell what happens with him and where he retires. 

[Celtics18]

His durability isn't being talked about (maybe it's for fear of jinxing it), but Jason Terry has been a true iron man for a long time in this league.

 

but i also attribute them to his ability to stay healthy and be durable during a 13 or 14 (whichever it is) year career. 

 

I stand corrected.  I guess it is being talked about, in the post directly above mine, no less.

My apologies.

[Donoghus]

HOF'er??

Uh...no.  That took 2 seconds in my head.

[bdm860]

serious question, has there ever been an nba player inducted to the hof that has never made a single all star game (i have no idea, which is why i ask)

One player I can think of who has an eerily similar career that's in the HOF.

12 year career, All Rookie 1st Team, 1x champion, key reserve for the majority of his career.  Hey if that guy can make the HOF, I think Terry can.




Of course to match Phil Jackson, he'd just need to win more titles than Red, should be a cinch for Terry, since he's already on the right path, maybe the next Geno Auriemma 

ESPN:

Jason Terry spent a portion of the summer coaching his daughter's basketball team, which finished second at nationals, losing by two points to the Arkansas Mavericks.

Down the road, Terry said he hopes to take his budding coaching career to his alma mater, Arizona.

So yes maybe Terry will make the HOF, in 30 years as a coach. 

[Moranis]

I cannot believe anyone can argue with a straight face that Jason Terry should be in the HOF.  It is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board. 

[Celtics18]

serious question, has there ever been an nba player inducted to the hof that has never made a single all star game (i have no idea, which is why i ask)

One player I can think of who has an eerily similar career that's in the HOF.

12 year career, All Rookie 1st Team, 1x champion, key reserve for the majority of his career.  Hey if that guy can make the HOF, I think Terry can.




Of course to match Phil Jackson, he'd just need to win more titles than Red, should be a cinch for Terry, since he's already on the right path, maybe the next Geno Auriemma 

ESPN:

Jason Terry spent a portion of the summer coaching his daughter's basketball team, which finished second at nationals, losing by two points to the Arkansas Mavericks.

Down the road, Terry said he hopes to take his budding coaching career to his alma mater, Arizona.

So yes maybe Terry will make the HOF, in 30 years as a coach. 

That' s cute, but over the course of his 12 year playing career, Phil Jackson averaged 17.6 minutes per game and 6.7 ppg.

I think JET's got a fairly sizable edge on him as a player.  And, apparently, he's already well on his way to catching up as a coach.


 

[fairweatherfan]

Maybe/Nope.

[action781]

I cannot believe anyone can argue with a straight face that Jason Terry should be in the HOF.  It is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board. 

His career isn't over yet and his career totals are pretty impressive.  If he were to come up clutch in another postseason title run, then I'd say he's in the discussion.  Top 40 scorer of all time... 2x champion... clutch scorer in 2 improbable underdog championship runs?  Again, that is a big if, but his career isn't over yet.

And for anyone says that Terry was a "role player" for those Mavs: Terry averaged 17.5 ppg in 32.6 mpg in the playoffs that season.  That's 2nd on the team by a huge margin and more than (gasp!) Ray Allen averaged in the celtics '08 run.  By that logic, one would have to say that Ray Allen and Manu Ginobili were also "role players".

[action781]

Who more deserves to be in the hall of fame, T-Mac or Robert Horry?  Perhaps neither, but who is more deserving?

I think Horry has done more in his career worthy of "fame".  I don't think all-star appearances should be the ultimate judgment of whether a player is inducted or not.

[AB_Celtic]

I cannot believe anyone can argue with a straight face that Jason Terry should be in the HOF.  It is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board. 

His career isn't over yet and his career totals are pretty impressive.  If he were to come up clutch in another postseason title run, then I'd say he's in the discussion.  Top 40 scorer of all time... 2x champion... clutch scorer in 2 improbable underdog championship runs?  Again, that is a big if, but his career isn't over yet.

And for anyone says that Terry was a "role player" for those Mavs: Terry averaged 17.5 ppg in 32.6 mpg in the playoffs that season.  That's 2nd on the team by a huge margin and more than (gasp!) Ray Allen averaged in the celtics '08 run.  By that logic, one would have to say that Ray Allen and Manu Ginobili were also "role players".

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.

[celtsfan84]

I cannot believe anyone can argue with a straight face that Jason Terry should be in the HOF.  It is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board. 

His career isn't over yet and his career totals are pretty impressive.  If he were to come up clutch in another postseason title run, then I'd say he's in the discussion.  Top 40 scorer of all time... 2x champion... clutch scorer in 2 improbable underdog championship runs?  Again, that is a big if, but his career isn't over yet.

And for anyone says that Terry was a "role player" for those Mavs: Terry averaged 17.5 ppg in 32.6 mpg in the playoffs that season.  That's 2nd on the team by a huge margin and more than (gasp!) Ray Allen averaged in the celtics '08 run.  By that logic, one would have to say that Ray Allen and Manu Ginobili were also "role players".

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.

Where would you rank him right now in terms of NBA guards? 

In his best season, where would you rank him in terms of NBA guards?

He doesn't have a single All-NBA team on his resume and beyond scoring he has not brought a whole lot to the table as a player.

I would imagine that the consensus here would be about 100% no if he had re-signed with the Mavericks instead of signing with the Celtics.  I can't think of a Hall of Famer with a less impressive resume than Jason Terry.

I'm glad he is a Celtic.  I'll say the same for Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, etc... As of right now, none of them are Hall of Famers.

Our potential Hall of Fame list reads: KG (a lock), Pierce (a lock), Rondo (headed that way), Doc as a coach (getting close already), Danny as an executive (a little work to do, but very possible).