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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #105 on: August 08, 2012, 05:53:41 PM »

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Oh, you moved Mirza Teletovic into the starting lineup. I completely missed that the first time I read through your press conference -- excellent press conference by the way. Lots of really good information and enjoyable to read.

That is a really offensively potent group.

Golden State, when is the last time a team starting two rookies was a legit contender?

My chief mistake so far, has been in neglecting Mirza Teletovic. I simply haven't had enough time to dedicate to a comprehensive post. But the more I consider him the more I feel that his basement-level production is akin to Channing Frye. (This is in fact the exact take of Jonathan Givony of Draft Express.)

I do acknowledge that handing him a starting role is my biggest gamble. (Roy may feel that it was reaching for Anthony Davis in the first round. But I felt confident I could land two late 1st round talents in the second round. And I did.)

That said, the Warriors will consider bringing Mirza off the bench, either to start the season, while he acclimates to the U.S. game, or indefinitely if my rivals feel his role is a major handicap?

Now please allow me to crib gratuitously, from the Painted Areas excellent scouting report.

Mirza has been a top player in the Euroleague and ACB over the last few years. He's a 6-9 power forward from Bosnia with good athleticism (good hops) and a solidly-built 240-lb. frame… averaged 22 ppg, 6 rpg, 1.2 apg, 1 bpg, 1.4 TOpg and 43.4% overall shooting in 34 minutes per game. His FG% is lowered because of high rate of 3PA - his eFG pct. is 52.7%... He shot 44% behind the arc in the EL, but only shot 34.5% on 3pt. attempts in ACB. But don't worry Nets fans, he's had plenty of other seasons where he shot around 40% on 3PA. Rest assured, this dude can drill it from deep… According to Synergy Sports Technology, he managed to produce .99 points per possession (PPP) on his offensive possessions this season, which is very good.

He's been advertised as a stretch-4, which isn't inaccurate, but I just think that description undersells his total game. He's much more than just a spot-up shooter who just plants himself behind the arc. He can hit shots coming off screens and quick dribble pull-ups in iso action. And he works out of the post, a lot.

Very capable of hitting shots with defenders right in his face (kind of reminds you of Peja for that). Gets nice elevation on his jumper, and also, has subtle fade-away action on many of his shots, which helps create space when needed. He's terrific in pick-n-pop action. He shot 48% on his pops this year, and when you factor in for 3PA, he shot a sizzling 63.4% eFG pct. as a popper. He's also a good finisher on rolls.

The good news for Nets fans is that Mirza's really not too bad of a defender. The simple fact is he guards the post really well. On 128 post possessions recorded by Synergy, held his opponent to 38.6% shooting and .727 PPP. His defensive post numbers were really good the previous season ('10-11) as well.

He's just a smart, physical defender. Holds his ground well thanks to a strong, wide stance. Seems to know his opponent well as he anticipates well and rarely bites on fakes. Moves feet well down low and usually gets his hands up to challenge the shooter. Expect him to hold up fairly well defending vs. NBA post players.

Mirza's main weakness is on the glass. Not a good rebounder for his position, though he did increase his rebound rate a bit this year.

Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #106 on: August 08, 2012, 06:47:58 PM »

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I haven't finished reading over the Pacific press conferences yet but I will say that a good way to garner points with me is to include a Ric Flair reference.  Well done.


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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #107 on: August 08, 2012, 07:26:58 PM »

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Oh, that's how we can deflect all those nonsense questions about Championship pedigree! With the nonsense coaching category!

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #108 on: August 08, 2012, 09:04:31 PM »

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Why did the Lakers put together such a stacked team?

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #109 on: August 08, 2012, 09:20:48 PM »

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Ginobli has had so many glowing pieces written about his intangibles and versatility that it's pretty hard to not love what the guy is bringing.

But one thing I haven't seen addressed, or maybe I didn't look hard at him enough with his stats this season, but didn't he play like 25 mpg? Didn't he miss a ton of games?

How's that affect the projections for the Warriors this season?

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #110 on: August 08, 2012, 09:36:06 PM »

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Really tough division to call.  Very deep.  Top to bottom, the best division going, I think.

1) Lakers
2) Suns
3) Clippers
4) Warriors


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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #111 on: August 09, 2012, 01:02:41 AM »

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #112 on: August 09, 2012, 01:05:13 AM »

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #113 on: August 09, 2012, 07:30:02 AM »

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #114 on: August 09, 2012, 08:58:52 AM »

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #115 on: August 09, 2012, 05:56:27 PM »

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I haven't finished reading over the Pacific press conferences yet but I will say that a good way to garner points with me is to include a Ric Flair reference.  Well done.

Really tough division to call.  Very deep.  Top to bottom, the best division going, I think.

1) Lakers
2) Suns
3) Clippers
4) Warriors

Dang Don. I hate to see where you would've ranked me if I hadn't name dropped Ric Flair. Having the two best wing players in the conference, and a franchise big man gets you ranked at the bottom of the division?

The scary thing, I've been dropping down the standings since I started. Second round exit to first round blowout to late lottery to...

I'm just going to announce now that I'll be targeting the bottom spot in 2013.

Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #116 on: August 09, 2012, 06:05:13 PM »

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If the off chance that anybody still following the debate. I'm going to try to answer a few more of the questions I didn't get to yesterday.

The Dubs' elite rim protector. Anthony Davis was good for 4.65 blocks a game, an astonishing 13.75% of the shots taken against him - by way of comparison the NBA's leader in blocks, Serge Ibaka, rejected 9.8% of shots. But it's how he blocks shots that has captivated scouts. Of his 186 blocks, 144 were kept in play. 103 went to his teammates, leading to 105 points scored.

Offensively, Davis was the most efficient scorer among big men drafted, averaging nearly 1.2 PPP. He turned the ball over at the second lowest rate (on just 8.6% of possessions) and drew fouls at the fourth highest rate, while shooting 70.9% from the line. The rookie also ranked as the best overall finisher, and cutter, and second best in transition. While Davis can and will be muscled off the post, and lacks a reliable jumper, he has to be accounted for offensively as a cutter, as a roll man, and while beating opposing big men down the court.[/font]

If you were to rank Anthony Davis out of the 24 starting centers, how highly would you rate him?

I am undecided. I keep going back and forth on the subject.

Where do you rank JaVale McGee? Rank Davis five spots above him.

"Blocking shots is about more than just blocking shots. JaVale McGee was second in the league in blocked shots this year, but no one really thinks of him as a great defender. He's just one of those guys who's trying to block everything -- getting a bunch of goaltending calls, getting a bunch of fouls. Davis is the opposite of that." -- Kevin Pelton, author, Basketball Prospectus

Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #117 on: August 09, 2012, 06:07:34 PM »

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I haven't finished reading over the Pacific press conferences yet but I will say that a good way to garner points with me is to include a Ric Flair reference.  Well done.

Really tough division to call.  Very deep.  Top to bottom, the best division going, I think.

1) Lakers
2) Suns
3) Clippers
4) Warriors

Dang Don. I hate to see where you would've ranked me if I hadn't name dropped Ric Flair. Having the two best wing players in the conference, and a franchise big man gets you ranked at the bottom of the division?

The scary thing, I've been dropping down the standings since I started. Second round exit to first round blowout to late lottery to...

I'm just going to announce now that I'll be targeting the bottom spot in 2013.

Tough divison.  I just don't think you have enough firepower to stay with the pack. 


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Re: 2012 CB Draft Pacific Division Press Conferences
« Reply #118 on: August 09, 2012, 06:15:49 PM »

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I haven't finished reading over the Pacific press conferences yet but I will say that a good way to garner points with me is to include a Ric Flair reference.  Well done.

Really tough division to call.  Very deep.  Top to bottom, the best division going, I think.

1) Lakers
2) Suns
3) Clippers
4) Warriors

Dang Don. I hate to see where you would've ranked me if I hadn't name dropped Ric Flair. Having the two best wing players in the conference, and a franchise big man gets you ranked at the bottom of the division?

The scary thing, I've been dropping down the standings since I started. Second round exit to first round blowout to late lottery to...

I'm just going to announce now that I'll be targeting the bottom spot in 2013.

Tough divison.  I just don't think you have enough firepower to stay with the pack.

Honestly surprised by that reaction, although I know Roy shares your fears. I never expected my team's offense would be considered a weakness.

Do you mind expounding?

Is that you don't feel that Klay Thompson can improve on his 18.5 points per 36 number? Or that you expect Manu (20 points per 36) will miss more time than Eric Gordon? Fall off compared to Nowitzki or Nash? Single digit scoring from Anthony Davis?

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« Reply #119 on: August 09, 2012, 06:33:13 PM »

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I haven't finished reading over the Pacific press conferences yet but I will say that a good way to garner points with me is to include a Ric Flair reference.  Well done.

Really tough division to call.  Very deep.  Top to bottom, the best division going, I think.

1) Lakers
2) Suns
3) Clippers
4) Warriors

Dang Don. I hate to see where you would've ranked me if I hadn't name dropped Ric Flair. Having the two best wing players in the conference, and a franchise big man gets you ranked at the bottom of the division?

The scary thing, I've been dropping down the standings since I started. Second round exit to first round blowout to late lottery to...

I'm just going to announce now that I'll be targeting the bottom spot in 2013.

Tough divison.  I just don't think you have enough firepower to stay with the pack.

Honestly surprised by that reaction, although I know Roy shares your fears. I never expected my team's offense would be considered a weakness.

Do you mind expounding?

Is that you don't feel that Klay Thompson can improve on his 18.5 points per 36 number? Or that you expect Manu (20 points per 36) will miss more time than Eric Gordon? Fall off compared to Nowitzki or Nash? Single digit scoring from Anthony Davis?

For me, it's Anthony Davis.

His level of performance (in his rookie year) relative to other established players taken (CB Draft) in the first round (MVP candidates, All-League players, perennial All-Star caliber talents) is a major drawback for your team. 

I think if you had a win-now player in Anthony Davis' place, your team would have been a title contender.