Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast

[arambone]

"Brandon Bass is a great jump shooter, i don't think Sully will ever be that good."

How do you figure? 20 yo shot 40% from 3 as a sophomore.

You think big men max out their jump shooting accuracy at 19-20 yo?

Bass gets to play with Rondo, KG, and Pierce. Anybody playing that role will get plenty of wide open shots.

Sullinger can knock those down and will get better, especially since he was stuck down on the block as center for Ohio State.

But Bass should be even better as well, in his second year here.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm of the opinion that Sully will indeed have a good jumpshot. Don't know if it'll get to Bass' point, but he'll be good. Bass has been one of the best for years in that midrange.

[kozlodoev]

I think the big man rotation will look like this by the all star break (assuming everyone is healthy)

PF Bass 25min, Sully 13 min, Green 10min 
C  KG   28 min, Wilcox 15min, Sully 5min

so

KG     28min
Bass   25min
Sully  18min
Wilcox 15min
Green  10min * plus prob around 18-20min at SF

Collins will get his minutes when the Cs play the bigger Centers in the league and as injures/ rest days come and go

Yeah, this rotation is just not going to happen. We have never done a 5-man big rotation, and there is a reason why teams don't do stuff like this.

Expect Bass and Garnett to get ~30 minutes a piece, Wilcox about 15 of the remaining 36, and Sullinger anywhere in the 15-20 range. The Green and Collins will pick up the remainders, depending on matchups and performance.

[Rondooooooooo]

If you are the opposing team and Sully (PF) is alongside KG (C), wouldn't you just put your center on Sullinger and move your PF onto Garnett?

At least most of the time ... since PFs generally defend KG better than Cs and Cs will defend Sullinger better than most PFs.

That's somewhat true.  But couldn't the same be said about Bass and KG?  It's not like Bass is taking slower centers off the dribble, despite the fact that he's quicker than Sullinger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOB5prYx_as

[Rondooooooooo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdLP_1mibTE&feature=related

look at #8

[Professor of Rondology]

2. That's just false. Bass played better off the bench, was more productive off the bench, and was better utilized. Also, his butter hands make him often a liability when playing alongside Rondo, despite the good looks he gets with his jumpers. That said, he shot better off the bench last year. Here are his splits:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/2745/brandon-bass

So, Bass being better as a starter is a complete false myth based on logical assumptions rather than reality.

Those splits don't show much difference at all.  I can't get them to show per-36 splits but it looks like the numbers differ only slightly. I'm not sure that those numbers provide any proof that Bass should not start. I know that all of my arguments could be brushed aside as "logical assumptions" rather than objective statistical fact (which is a myth, btw), but I like no-pass Bass more with the starters, for several reasons.

Bass is a terrible passer. Playing him with the second unit puts the ball in his hands MUCH more than it is when he's with the starters.  With the bench, he's probably the go-to guy.  Having a go-to guy that can't pass really, really sucks.  Playing him with the starters uses his strengths without exposing his weakness. 

Now that we have Jet, Lee, and Green coming off the bench, our reserves are not desperate for offensive weapons. 

Defensively, Bass and KG together were excellent by the end of the year.  Sully will not be able to provide that level of defense, at least not at first. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

2. That's just false. Bass played better off the bench, was more productive off the bench, and was better utilized. Also, his butter hands make him often a liability when playing alongside Rondo, despite the good looks he gets with his jumpers. That said, he shot better off the bench last year. Here are his splits:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/2745/brandon-bass

So, Bass being better as a starter is a complete false myth based on logical assumptions rather than reality.

Those splits don't show much difference at all.  I can't get them to show per-36 splits but it looks like the numbers differ only slightly. I'm not sure that those numbers provide any proof that Bass should not start. I know that all of my arguments could be brushed aside as "logical assumptions" rather than objective statistical fact (which is a myth, btw), but I like no-pass Bass more with the starters, for several reasons.

Bass is a terrible passer. Playing him with the second unit puts the ball in his hands MUCH more than it is when he's with the starters.  With the bench, he's probably the go-to guy.  Having a go-to guy that can't pass really, really sucks.  Playing him with the starters uses his strengths without exposing his weakness. 

Now that we have Jet, Lee, and Green coming off the bench, our reserves are not desperate for offensive weapons. 

Defensively, Bass and KG together were excellent by the end of the year.  Sully will not be able to provide that level of defense, at least not at first.

The problem is that you're ignoring is that no-pass Bass can be a big liability at time when he's not hitting his shots, which at the same time restrains the impact of our starters. And we saw that quite a few times during the playoffs when he kept missing open shots to start the game. Which is why I prefer a low maintenance guy like Wilcox, who has shown to have great chemistry with Pierce in particular.

The way I see it Bass on the bench makes use of his strengths while limiting the impact of his weaknesses. And as you say, there's really little difference stat wise on his productivity as a starter than on the bench, so why use him with the starters when there's that potential of limiting the starter's impact on the game because of him?

I also would like to limit Bass and Rondo on the court together when possible. I really don't like his butter hands when combined with Rondo's hard passes, plenty of lost opportunities.

In a vacuum, Bass is a good choice to have with this team as a starter, but I think we have better options that work better as a unit, and I think his impact off the bench is more important than whatever he can provide as a starter.

[Galeto]

Bass would not be the go-to guy off the bench. By virtue of being a spot up 2 point shooter, that will never happen.

Another reason that will not happen is because Jason Terry is now on the team and will have the ball in his hands a lot when Rondo and Pierce are not on the floor.  Just like last year, KG will open second quarters, pushing Bass further away from the go-to role.  Also, since Lee can't sit for too long (I'm assuming he'll be subbed out for Terry near the 5 minute mark or so of the first) he'll also be in there often, giving the Celtics plenty of weapons besides Bass.

I think Terry, Lee, Green and KG will find themselves on the court together alot.

[LilRip]

i think Doc sticks with Bass in the starting lineup for continuity's sake. The starters last year have shown to have pretty good chemistry. I also think that Wilcox will be the first big off the bench.

I think Sully's minutes are going to depend a lot on training camp more than anything, on how fast he can pick up the playbook (both O and D), and how much he earns Doc's trust. We all know he can play. It's just a matter of when he's ready to contribute regular minutes. Is it this year or is it next or perhaps even the year after that? I expect a mixed bag of garbage-time minutes, to-end-the-half minutes, DNP's and rotation-level minutes.

[Mr Green]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdLP_1mibTE&feature=related

look at #8

#1 was so awesome at the time.



I remember jumping off the couch yelling at Dwayne Wade on the tv TELL ME WHAT MY BASS TASTES LIKE! At that moment I thought we were through to the finals but alas... payback this season is going to be sweet.