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Re: Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2012, 06:08:20 AM »

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i hoping that sully will be a cross b/w glen davis and leon powe, having glens ability to create but rebound like leon

Re: Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2012, 06:39:46 AM »

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I doubt this year sully will play well/consistant enough to be taking minutes from bass.  Also there is the back thing, however in a year I can see him pushing for as many minutes as possible i.e. bass could be traded.  IF and yes it is a IF sully gets the pro game, continues to improve etc etc

Re: Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2012, 07:10:38 AM »

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Comparisons aside I think both will excel on the court with KG. Both players have good range and consistency to there jump shots which bass proved last year to be invaluable to offensive spacing. 

Sully's play is going to be a real wild card this season. If he can manage to earn even BBD like minutes as a rookie (14min per game) he should dramatically help this team on the boards. In order to get his minutes he is going to have to show solid mobility hedging and recovering on screens and not miss on his defensive rotations.


The big man rotation of KG,Bass,Wilcox, Collins and Green (as the small ball 4) has me excited for the start of the season. With the Bulls losing Asik I think the Cs will prove to the deepest and most effective cumulative big man rotation on the east.


 
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Re: Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2012, 07:33:16 AM »

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Bass knows his limits and role plugged into this team.  He is pretty consistant overall. His rebounding game has never been what I think it could be. Bass doesn't seem to have the anticipation or nose for the ball comming off the rim that Sully already has. The good rebounders aren't always the guys who jump the highest or are the tallest. Its about being in the right spot ,knowing where to be when the ball is comming off the rim.  Sully enjoys the ruff housing and battle inside.... maybe Bass not so much .

I look for Sully to impress  against the other teams second unit.  Not many teams will have bench players like Lee and Sully. 

Between Sully and Wilcox & Lee , we should make a good showing on the boards when our 2nd string faces another bench.

 a deep Celtics bench maybe  will hold and should increase a lead , this will force other teams to play their starters way to many minutes. Hopefully our starters will have the edge by the end of the game.

EVentually I see Sully giving us a huge boost , throwing him in a game with other team dragging or its first string tired... he could wreck havoc inside playing against winded players or inferior benchs.


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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2012, 12:26:30 PM »

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 Doc said to the broadcasters of the summer league Dennis Scott and the crazy white guy. That he "loves Sullinger" and he thinks he is a great not good passer. Loves his rebounding, screen setting, and was surprised with his range and the fact that he has fade away jump shots.

 That's good news for the 280 pounder.

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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2012, 01:09:57 PM »

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Bass is just a better bench player than he's a starter. Other than in a situation that there's really no viable option to start someone over him, he's more useful to us off the bench. I've enumerated various reason for this various times already.

Depending on what the players show through training camp, I think the clear starter should be Wilcox, with Green and Sullinger having an outside shot.

But Bass is simply a better bench player from both a productive and chemistry standpoint.

I disagree for a variety of reasons. 

1) If Wilcox starts at the 4, that means Collins is playing 20 mpg at the 5 spot.  While I like Collins, I think it's a far better utilization of talent to play Bass, Sullinger, and Green all the 4 minutes and then give Wilcox all the backup 5 minutes.  Wilcox can't do that if he's starting with KG. 

2) I think Bass plays much better as a starter.  The two things he's really good at is shooting that elbow jumper and finishing around the rim.  He's not going to get those looks as well playing with the bench players. 

3) I like Wilcox, as I already said, as a bench player because I'd rather see him getting minutes at the 5 than Collins.  Playing Wilcox at the 4 essentially means Collins is taking 20 minutes that one of our more talented power forwards could be playing.  But aside from that, I also like Wilcox coming in with Green and Terry and running with Rondo after the old guys come out.  Wilcox and Green together on the break with Rondo running and Terry trailing would be scary. 


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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2012, 02:17:40 PM »

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I think the big man rotation will look like this by the all star break (assuming everyone is healthy)

PF Bass 25min, Sully 13 min, Green 10min 
C  KG   28 min, Wilcox 15min, Sully 5min

so

KG     28min
Bass   25min
Sully  18min
Wilcox 15min
Green  10min * plus prob around 18-20min at SF

Collins will get his minutes when the Cs play the bigger Centers in the league and as injures/ rest days come and go
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2012, 05:30:50 PM »

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Paying Green too much for 10 mpg sorry but I think he will be playing more than that.

Re: Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2012, 08:03:39 PM »

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Bass is just a better bench player than he's a starter. Other than in a situation that there's really no viable option to start someone over him, he's more useful to us off the bench. I've enumerated various reason for this various times already.

Depending on what the players show through training camp, I think the clear starter should be Wilcox, with Green and Sullinger having an outside shot.

But Bass is simply a better bench player from both a productive and chemistry standpoint.

I disagree for a variety of reasons. 

1) If Wilcox starts at the 4, that means Collins is playing 20 mpg at the 5 spot.  While I like Collins, I think it's a far better utilization of talent to play Bass, Sullinger, and Green all the 4 minutes and then give Wilcox all the backup 5 minutes.  Wilcox can't do that if he's starting with KG. 

2) I think Bass plays much better as a starter.  The two things he's really good at is shooting that elbow jumper and finishing around the rim.  He's not going to get those looks as well playing with the bench players. 

3) I like Wilcox, as I already said, as a bench player because I'd rather see him getting minutes at the 5 than Collins.  Playing Wilcox at the 4 essentially means Collins is taking 20 minutes that one of our more talented power forwards could be playing.  But aside from that, I also like Wilcox coming in with Green and Terry and running with Rondo after the old guys come out.  Wilcox and Green together on the break with Rondo running and Terry trailing would be scary.


1. Sorry, but that's completely false. Collins won't be getting any playing time regardless of Wilcox starting or not, only for situationals and garbage time. Unless Sully, Bass, or Wilcox are playing like crap, Collins will be on the bench. If Collins is playing is because Doc likes him over someone else, but it won't be because of Wilcox starting or not.

2. That's just false. Bass played better off the bench, was more productive off the bench, and was better utilized. Also, his butter hands make him often a liability when playing alongside Rondo, despite the good looks he gets with his jumpers. That said, he shot better off the bench last year. Here are his splits:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/2745/brandon-bass

So, Bass being better as a starter is a complete false myth based on logical assumptions rather than reality.

3. Once again, Collins doesn't clue in this at all. You're jumping to false conclusions.

I see the advantage of having Wilcox off the bench too, but I think he brings more to the starter's unit than Bass does, including better chemistry and pairing that with Bass' better productivity with the bench, then I see it as a no-brainer that Bass needs to come off the bench somehow.
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Re: Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2012, 10:14:03 PM »

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I believe we'll see Doc use the same starting 5 as last year once Avery returns so I think Bass will start, but he can also complement the bench players when they come in.  Wilcox though I think will come off the bench. KG may not prefer playing the 5 but he will start at that position and get substantial time at the 4 when Wilcox plays the 5.

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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2012, 10:21:23 PM »

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In the likelihood that Bass and Sullinger are both looking comparable and better than Bass played last year, I can see Doc just starting Bass, and bringing Sullinger in at center for KG after 6-7 minutes.

Rondo
Terry (subbing in for healthy Bradley)
Green (subbing in for Pierce)
Bass
Sullinger

Then after another 6-7 minutes,

Bradley (subbing for Rondo)
Lee (subbing in for Terry)
Pierce (for Green)
Green/Sullinger depending on matchup/hot start)
KG (for Sullinger

9 man rotation.

As good as Wilcox may be, these other guys are just better. Sullinger will only get better with reps.

Scrap minutes for everyone else, with hopefully a lot of blowouts.

Lots of wins and some close losses.

I'm actually fairly confident in my rotations prediction.

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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2012, 10:29:00 PM »

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In the likelihood that Bass and Sullinger are both looking comparable and better than Bass played last year, I can see Doc just starting Bass, and bringing Sullinger in at center for KG after 6-7 minutes.

Rondo
Terry (subbing in for healthy Bradley)
Green (subbing in for Pierce)
Bass
Sullinger

Then after another 6-7 minutes,

Bradley (subbing for Rondo)
Lee (subbing in for Terry)
Pierce (for Green)
Green/Sullinger depending on matchup/hot start)
KG (for Sullinger

9 man rotation.

As good as Wilcox may be, these other guys are just better. Sullinger will only get better with reps.

Scrap minutes for everyone else, with hopefully a lot of blowouts.

Lots of wins and some close losses.

I'm actually fairly confident in my rotations prediction.
That may happen eventually but I bet Doc considers Sullinger a 3rd string big man until he proves on the court that he is worthy of more.

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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2012, 10:55:32 PM »

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Sully will see more minutes at center than anything else. He may play alongside Bass. Need to keep KG's minutes at center to a min. until the playoffs. Rather have him at center than Bass.

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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2012, 11:00:16 PM »

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i think we all agree we have to very solid young PFs in Sullinger and Bass and they will eventually play around the same amount of minute per game

Re: Sully Vs Bass Compare and Contrast
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2012, 11:46:27 PM »

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Brandon Bass is a great jump shooter, i don't think Sully will ever be that good. But Sullinger already has 10x the post-game Bass will ever have... Brandon is just incapable of making a halfway decent move on the low block. Both can be really good players for the Celtics but Brandon is MUCH more dependent on Rondo for success.