Doc takes Blame for Ray leavin

[manl_lui]

not sure if anyone has posted this but this is a good read:

http://www.rantsports.com/boston-celtics/2012/08/01/boston-celtics-doc-rivers-great-coaching-drove-ray-allen-out/

essentially its just analyzing what Doc said earlier today about how his coach affected Ray Ray.

[European NBA fan]

Rondo is and has been the benefactor of playing with the big three. Rondo is not the reason for their success these last five yers. Ray sure doesnt feel like he needs Rondo to get him the ball.

Why does everyone else say that this is Rondo's team now. Does Doc, Danny, KG and the Captain strike you as basketball idiots?

[colincb]

not sure if anyone has posted this but this is a good read:

http://www.rantsports.com/boston-celtics/2012/08/01/boston-celtics-doc-rivers-great-coaching-drove-ray-allen-out/

essentially its just analyzing what Doc said earlier today about how his coach affected Ray Ray.

Actually it's a very biased piece of crap.

[cman88]

not sure if anyone has posted this but this is a good read:

http://www.rantsports.com/boston-celtics/2012/08/01/boston-celtics-doc-rivers-great-coaching-drove-ray-allen-out/

essentially its just analyzing what Doc said earlier today about how his coach affected Ray Ray.

Actually it's a very biased piece of crap.

so, you dont think Docs decisions were for the best of the team?

1. starting Bradley and having Ray as 6th man made the TEAM better.

2. Having the ball in the hands of your best player who can create for others makes the TEAM better.


Doc made decisions that were better for the team, and if Allen had a problem with that then good riddance...the only goal should be banner #18 not feeding the ego of a 37y/o shooting guard

[thirstyboots18]

As some one else said, I don't think "blame" is the right word...responsibility is.  And the only one who can take responsibility for Ray's action/reaction is Ray.  It seems to me that he has done that...whether or not you agree with him.  As I have stated before, I hope Ray's decision works out for him.  I know that the Celtics will ultimately  be OK.  Moving forward....

[Interceptor]

Rondo is and has been the benefactor of playing with the big three. Rondo is not the reason for their success these last five yers. Ray sure doesnt feel like he needs Rondo to get him the ball.

You know, our best lineup last year was Rondo-Bradley-Pierce-Bass-KG... just sayin', I only see two of the three on there.

[colincb]

not sure if anyone has posted this but this is a good read:

http://www.rantsports.com/boston-celtics/2012/08/01/boston-celtics-doc-rivers-great-coaching-drove-ray-allen-out/

essentially its just analyzing what Doc said earlier today about how his coach affected Ray Ray.

Actually it's a very biased piece of crap.

so, you dont think Docs decisions were for the best of the team?

1. starting Bradley and having Ray as 6th man made the TEAM better.

2. Having the ball in the hands of your best player who can create for others makes the TEAM better.


Doc made decisions that were better for the team, and if Allen had a problem with that then good riddance...the only goal should be banner #18 not feeding the ego of a 37y/o shooting guard

I said the piece cited was very biased and a piece of crap.

[Lightskinsmurf]

not sure if anyone has posted this but this is a good read:

http://www.rantsports.com/boston-celtics/2012/08/01/boston-celtics-doc-rivers-great-coaching-drove-ray-allen-out/

essentially its just analyzing what Doc said earlier today about how his coach affected Ray Ray.

Actually it's a very biased piece of crap.

so, you dont think Docs decisions were for the best of the team?

1. starting Bradley and having Ray as 6th man made the TEAM better.

2. Having the ball in the hands of your best player who can create for others makes the TEAM better.


Doc made decisions that were better for the team, and if Allen had a problem with that then good riddance...the only goal should be banner #18 not feeding the ego of a 37y/o shooting guard

Very well said sir, TP

[celticsleyte]

oh yeah and If you polled the players who their vote for most high maintenace was Rondo would get top 5.  The guy is a total drama queen. 

Combine that with horrid free throw shooting and you have a potential amnesty candidate. I can think of so many better ways ti spend 10 MILLION A YEAR.

you can not be serious

[Chris]

Personally, I think Doc's reaction here is pretty narcistic.  Although that is also human nature.  Whenever someone close to us leaves on bad terms, our thoughts naturally go to "what did I do?".

I think Doc is overthinking things here.  I am sure the stuff he talked about played a role.  I am sure the trade rumors did, as well as his diminished role on the team.  Ultimately though, I think this was a life decision made by a guy who can see the end.

I think Ray wanted to find his final place to settle.  This is his last stop, and I think Miami is where he wants to be.  It was much less a basketball decision, than it was a decision about his life and family.   

[BballTim]

oh yeah and If you polled the players who their vote for most high maintenace was Rondo would get top 5.  The guy is a total drama queen. 

Combine that with horrid free throw shooting and you have a potential amnesty candidate. I can think of so many better ways ti spend 10 MILLION A YEAR.

  Too funny.

[Interceptor]

I think Ray wanted to find his final place to settle.  This is his last stop, and I think Miami is where he wants to be.  It was much less a basketball decision, than it was a decision about his life and family.

Doesn't square with 1) giving up stability of a no-trade, and 2) his insane counter-offer. Available facts best fit the "screw you" narrative.

[Chris]

I think Ray wanted to find his final place to settle.  This is his last stop, and I think Miami is where he wants to be.  It was much less a basketball decision, than it was a decision about his life and family.

Doesn't square with 1) giving up stability of a no-trade, and 2) his insane counter-offer. Available facts best fit the "screw you" narrative.

The reports that the C's would offer a no-trade were VERY sketchy.  So, unless there was a really strong report of that, then I don't believe it, because it goes against anything Danny has done in the past.

And the "insane counter-offer" was also a pretty sketchy report.  Just because he asked for that, doesn't mean it was actually all he would have taken.

But then again, I think the counter offer is more evidence that he did choose lifestyle, and basically told the C's, they need to drastically overpay him, if he is going to stay in a situation where he doesn't really want to be in.

[gar]

Personally, I think Doc's reaction here is pretty narcistic.  Although that is also human nature.  Whenever someone close to us leaves on bad terms, our thoughts naturally go to "what did I do?".

I think Doc is overthinking things here.  I am sure the stuff he talked about played a role.  I am sure the trade rumors did, as well as his diminished role on the team.  Ultimately though, I think this was a life decision made by a guy who can see the end.

I think Ray wanted to find his final place to settle.  This is his last stop, and I think Miami is where he wants to be.  It was much less a basketball decision, than it was a decision about his life and family.

I think Doc did a very classy thing. By taking the blame he is deflecting the role of any of the team members (Rondo) and adding closure to what would otherwise continue to be a sore point going forward. I think the idea that it will be easier to come off the bench in Miami than in Boston where you were the starter on a championship team should also not be under estimated. Coming off the bench for Dwayne Wade is hugely different than coming off the bench for Avery Bradley. I think this hurt Ray more than anything.

[BballTim]

They were also pretty darn creative in trying to get Ray open for a quick shot.

I thought they were too creative with Ray.  Was it Ray insisting that he move around screens to get shots or was that how Rondo and Doc called it?  Maybe it's too simplistic but when I looked at the Clippers and how Billups, a great great shooter in his own right, got a ton of open shots without having to run obstacle courses like Ray, it made me wonder.  Simple drive and kicks from Paul to Billups got Billups many open threes. Why couldn't that happen here?  It's going to happen in Miami for Ray a lot next season.

In the two seasons the Celtics were a top 10 offense, Pierce and Ray both combined to take around 27 shots per 36 minutes.  27.3 in 2008 (10th offense) and 27 in 2009 when the Celtics were rated 6th on offense.  Last season is skewed because of Rondo being out and Ray becoming a reserve but in 2010, the combined shots fell to 25.3 in 2010 (15th offense) and 25.3 in 2011 (18th offense).  What is correlation or causation, I don't know but it's odd that the ball is placed in Rondo's hands more to facilitate for his teammates and yet the number of shots for the top two offensive options went down.  I've frequently wondered during games why Pierce hasn't shot the ball in ages or why Ray hasn't either.

  Aside from missing the the obvious (PP and RA aren't the players they were 4-5 years ago) I'd have to say I'm fairly impressed with your eye for detail. In 07-08 PP and RA combined to take 27.3 shots per 36 minutes, last year it dropped all the way to 26.7. On average, two players combining to take 1 fewer shot every other game would be less obvious to many viewers.