Doc takes Blame for Ray leavin

[Interceptor]

RAY decided he couldn't sacrifice for team anymore.
RAY decided to take trade rumors personal.
RAY was the one that couldn't deal with his declining skill
RAY needed to have his ego massaged by the Miami Heat to feel better about himself as a basketball player.

Right. You know, in light of this Doc interview, I wonder what Allen means by this:

"It's a step process. You try to figure out what's best for your family. And here I am."

Are things better after work because he's not venting about Rondo, or something?

[Celts Fan 92]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

I get that.  The ages of Ray, KG and Paul versus Rondo muddies culpability for the offense's decline.  But my thing is, since the results on offense weren't all that great beyond Rondo's assist numbers exploding the last three seasons, why not at least try to spread the touches around more?

It's possible for Rondo to dominate the ball like most point guards besides Nash and Chris Paul and still have Pierce try to probe the defense before it's set or have Ray walk into a three like he did hundreds of time before coming to the Celtics.  Putting the ball exclusively in Rondo's hands took away options needlessly.

The Celtics play such an extreme style of Rondo ball that there is room for some compromise that still leaves Rondo incredibly ball dominant.  I hate the lack of adjustments.

"besides Rondo's assist numbers exploding" ... you are ignoring someone running the offense well there.  Rondo doesn't take options away, he sacrifices his own scoring for others.

There is nothing to blame Rondo for here.  Rondo is the best player on the team, he should dominate the ball ala Paul or Nash.  If Ray can't take that, good riddance.  We replaced him and improved with Terry/Lee.

Blame Rondo for having the shooting tendency's of a Shaquille Oneal at the guard spot

  Should we blame Ray for frequently having Shaq's ballhandling tendencies at the guard spot?

do we base that off Turnovers or what?

Ray doesnt do much ball handling nowadays anyway.....and contrary to haters, when he does drive the ball he does finish well. Fastbreaks are his only problem it seems.

stop it man lol i kno Ray ya fav player nd everything but u kno [dang] well he would make horrible jump passes to nobody outta bounds, have a loose handle on da break or dribble it off his foot. everytime he would ignore rondo on da break i would think walkin turnover nd he neva dissapointed

bro, everyone on this team does that

Rondo does that, who misses more open layups then him?

Pierce turns it over and its almost always a dunk

Garnett always tries his silly cross court passes

what are you trying to prove?

im sayin u lyin to yaself if u think Ray is an above average ball handler at dis point in his career lol. nd since u mentioned those names KG's passin out of da post> ray allen trynna create for teammates, Pierce fillin in for Rondo nd almost averaging 9 assist per game> Ray Allen trynna create. u think Ray gon do any ballhandling in Miami? rofl

[jpd985]

In 2011 a deadly HEAT burned through our civilization, pushing humankind to the edge of extinction. Dr. Rivers dedicated his life to the discovery of a cure, and the restoration of humanity. On August 1st 2012, at approximately 7:00 AM he discovered that cure; and at 8:52 he gave his life to defend it. We are his legacy. This is his legend. Light up the darkness.

lol this is great. does that mean the dog dying is symbolism of ray leaving?

I would say the dog turning into the creature before dying.

[Mr October]

During and more specifically after the miami press conference, Ray said he wanted more involvement in the offense - ie more touches. And then he left for a team where he is going to be a Steve Kerr.

Ray could only go so far when it came to sacrificing for the good of the team.

It is more mental. If I m alpha male for a long time, I d swallow degradation to beta easier in another pack, than in one I was leading for so long. It is only natural

TP. Spot on.

[BballTim]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

I get that.  The ages of Ray, KG and Paul versus Rondo muddies culpability for the offense's decline.  But my thing is, since the results on offense weren't all that great beyond Rondo's assist numbers exploding the last three seasons, why not at least try to spread the touches around more?

It's possible for Rondo to dominate the ball like most point guards besides Nash and Chris Paul and still have Pierce try to probe the defense before it's set or have Ray walk into a three like he did hundreds of time before coming to the Celtics.  Putting the ball exclusively in Rondo's hands took away options needlessly.

The Celtics play such an extreme style of Rondo ball that there is room for some compromise that still leaves Rondo incredibly ball dominant.  I hate the lack of adjustments.

The biggest problem with Rondo is he sucks majorly at WANTING to shoot the ball

He sucks at shooting but not as much. Rondo is an ok shooter. His problem is he has extreme fright or hesitation.

A normal point guard would shoot shots with the time running down

but people want to blame Ray for running around multiple screens

Thats what gets people open and Rondo of all people is to blame when he just sits there when there giving him 10 feet.

Its pathetic.

If your weak point is shooting, why force the issue. Thats why teams try to force him to shoot. If Rondo was stupid he'd ignore his shooting woes and shoot anyway, but instead he's smart and plays to his strengths, distributing the ball and running the offense.

The second bolded statement is also wrong. A normal point guard looks for the best option with the best shot in this situation. If time is running down who would you rather shoot, paul or rondo? Paul everytime thats why he looks for him instead of hogging the ball and trying to score himself.

The third bolded part: Thats what is NEEDED to get ray open. He used to be able to create for himself and get his own shot. Now he's older and slower and NEEDS all these screens just to get a shot. It slows the offense down, fact.

see your looking at it from a Celtic Homer point of view

our offense has sucked because of this. What Rondo should do is shoot, not hold the ball

people complain about that all the time, and thats the real reason

unless you want Courtney Lee to go one on one all the time and destroy team chemistry

  So you're saying that the Celts shouldn't have bothered to run plays to get Ray shots, but just let Rondo shoot jumpers most of the time?

  You need to consider how much more efficiently the Celts score off of passes from Rondo compared to outside shots by Rondo.

[European NBA fan]

First of all, I can't believe people totally missing the point in the interview, but still blaming Rondo for the way, our offense has evolved. Doc takes the responsibility because he believes in "Rondo-ball" (which btw. got us quite far this year), and it is HIS decision that we play more of that, in stead of set plays and ball sharing.
 
Ray Allen probably doesn't believe that this is the right way to play basketball, because it appears to take away touches from everyone else. And maybe it is a bit strange that a reluctant shooter such as Rondo should have the ball in his hands so much. But we have all seen how Rondo can create open space for all team mates, and this is probably only the beginning of the Rondo era. And if you don't like it, you really should blame Doc.

[Boris Badenov]

You know what's going to be weird?

With Ray probably not starting for the Heat, his big rematch game with the Celtics - where he will be the focus of 90% of pre-game attention and discussion - is going to start with him sitting on the bench doing nothing, while ten other guys play basketball.

It's not quite the triumphant return you think he'd want, playing against the team that "insulted" him so much by moving him to the bench...

[BASS_THUMPER]

ray game fell way off thats why seattle was like
"here..take him.."
we got the best out off him and he gave us his best

[Eja117]

Taking the blame for improving the team at the expense of a selfish and declining player. I'm fine with blaming Doc for that and if I were Doc I'd be more than happy to take that blame too.

I can't wait to see what happens 6 weeks into the season when Ray starts to bicker with Bron and D Wade. He'll be playing zero minutes a game talking about how maybe the Lakers would be a better fit and Kobe will be on TV saying "No he wouldn't. Well. Actually. I do sorta need someone to carry my bags."

Ray is over. He's a has been and as soon as Rondo runs by him like he's stuck in cement people might start to wonder if he's a never been.  People remember the last thing they see. The last thing you'll see Ray do is huff and puff and pout.  He's going to end up like Sonny Liston in that picture of Muhammed Ali screaming at him.

[Eja117]

You know what's going to be weird?

With Ray probably not starting for the Heat, his big rematch game with the Celtics - where he will be the focus of 90% of pre-game attention and discussion - is going to start with him sitting on the bench doing nothing, while ten other guys play basketball.

It's not quite the triumphant return you think he'd want, playing against the team that "insulted" him so much by moving him to the bench...

TP

[BASS_THUMPER]

come yall..FAM?
when we see miami
you know good and well ray is gonna start
and ray will light us up like a spliff

*bookmark*

[colincb]

ray game fell way off thats why seattle was like
"here..take him.."
we got the best out off him and he gave us his best

That's a strange statement. Ray scored his career high in his last year with Seattle besting his career high from the year before.

[colincb]

Taking the blame for improving the team at the expense of a selfish and declining player. I'm fine with blaming Doc for that and if I were Doc I'd be more than happy to take that blame too.

I can't wait to see what happens 6 weeks into the season when Ray starts to bicker with Bron and D Wade. He'll be playing zero minutes a game talking about how maybe the Lakers would be a better fit and Kobe will be on TV saying "No he wouldn't. Well. Actually. I do sorta need someone to carry my bags."

Ray is over. He's a has been and as soon as Rondo runs by him like he's stuck in cement people might start to wonder if he's a never been.  People remember the last thing they see. The last thing you'll see Ray do is huff and puff and pout.  He's going to end up like Sonny Liston in that picture of Muhammed Ali screaming at him.

Not the classiest thing Ali ever did since Liston gave him his shot to comeback and didn't have to.

As for the rest of your post, how is it that Ray's guarding Rondo?  He'll be guarding one of our SGs, none of whom are great in isolation and all who are inferior to Ray in isolation according to Synergy Sports stats.

[SHAQATTACK]

Maybe the Celtics are just a better team than the Heat this year, Ray realized with Jet and AB and Rondo healthy...he wasn't going to start....PERIOD. 

So what  ...he can start for the Heat ,  but not the Celtics.

He is having trouble fading, getting old and admitting he isn't as fast or durable or good defensively as he once was.  Boo Hoo ...life sucks , then you die...

His ego is bigger than his BRAIN.

So Ray , if you are still such as stud as you think , how about manning up and meeting the challenge and winning your starting spot back, instead of sulking and running off with circus.... a childish , selfish act for a team that was willing to pay you more to stay and would have embraced your winning legacy .

Not DOC 's fault.... childish behavior on RAY ALLEN

[BASS_THUMPER]

Maybe the Celtics are just a better team than the Heat this year, Ray realized with Jet and AB and Rondo healthy...he wasn't going to start....PERIOD. 

So what  ...he can start for the Heat ,  but not the Celtics.

He is having trouble fading, getting old and admitting he isn't as fast or durable or good defensively as he once was.  Boo Hoo ...life sucks , then you die...

His ego is bigger than his BRAIN.

So Ray , if you are still such as stud as you think , how about manning up and meeting the challenge and winning your starting spot back, instead of sulking and running off with circus.... a childish , selfish act for a team that was willing to pay you more to stay and would have embraced your winning legacy .

Not DOC 's fault.... childish behavior on RAY ALLEN