Doc takes Blame for Ray leavin

[Rondooooooooo]

This really isn't very gracious at all.

Doc's tries to, but it's actually a backhanded dig at Allen.

"It's my fault you couldn't handle it"?  That screams of backhandedness.

not at all. doc said it like a million times in the interview that he does whats best for the team, if ray didnt like his role or "couldn't handle it" then he can go else where.

[Interceptor]

Yeah, threads should be merged.  Same subject matter, just framed differently.

People should really make sure of these things before positing new threads.  It's poor form.  Mistakes do happen though.

BREAKING NEWS: KGs Knee rips into tonyto3690. What's his real agenda? More updates as this story continues to unfold.

[Fafnir]

Yeah, threads should be merged.  Same subject matter, just framed differently.

People should really make sure of these things before positing new threads.  It's poor form.  Mistakes do happen though.

BREAKING NEWS: KGs Knee rips into tonyto3690. What's his real agenda? More updates as this story continues to unfold.

They're merged, so lets get back to the main topic.

[rayallen1934]

NBA superstars don't accept loosing their skills gracefully. Ray can still shoot, but he finally became too slow, injury prone, predictable to handle a big role. Doc made the right choice.

And as classy as Ray is, he didn't say the right things on the way out the door. He couldn't. A superstar can't let go of what they once were. It goes against their DNA. He was in a no win situation - backed into a corner by his own ego.

What he did for Boston in 2007-2012 was awesome. But going forward the team is going to be better with Rondo remaining in control, and sharing the back court with Bradley, Terry, Lee, as well as a little Pierce and Green.

What did he say? Ray hasnt said a single word


as for Doc, he does a great job of being a prick in his interview

[Snakehead]

NBA superstars don't accept loosing their skills gracefully. Ray can still shoot, but he finally became too slow, injury prone, predictable to handle a big role. Doc made the right choice.

And as classy as Ray is, he didn't say the right things on the way out the door. He couldn't. A superstar can't let go of what they once were. It goes against their DNA. He was in a no win situation - backed into a corner by his own ego.

What he did for Boston in 2007-2012 was awesome. But going forward the team is going to be better with Rondo remaining in control, and sharing the back court with Bradley, Terry, Lee, as well as a little Pierce and Green.

What did he say? Ray hasnt said a single word


as for Doc, he does a great job of being a prick in his interview

Please elaborate on the bolded statement.

[Fafnir]

NBA superstars don't accept loosing their skills gracefully. Ray can still shoot, but he finally became too slow, injury prone, predictable to handle a big role. Doc made the right choice.

And as classy as Ray is, he didn't say the right things on the way out the door. He couldn't. A superstar can't let go of what they once were. It goes against their DNA. He was in a no win situation - backed into a corner by his own ego.

What he did for Boston in 2007-2012 was awesome. But going forward the team is going to be better with Rondo remaining in control, and sharing the back court with Bradley, Terry, Lee, as well as a little Pierce and Green.

What did he say? Ray hasnt said a single word


as for Doc, he does a great job of being a prick in his interview

I think he conveys how he views things well, justifies his decisions, and deflects blame from his current player (Rondo).

That's pretty much his job at this point.

[rayallen1934]

NBA superstars don't accept loosing their skills gracefully. Ray can still shoot, but he finally became too slow, injury prone, predictable to handle a big role. Doc made the right choice.

And as classy as Ray is, he didn't say the right things on the way out the door. He couldn't. A superstar can't let go of what they once were. It goes against their DNA. He was in a no win situation - backed into a corner by his own ego.

What he did for Boston in 2007-2012 was awesome. But going forward the team is going to be better with Rondo remaining in control, and sharing the back court with Bradley, Terry, Lee, as well as a little Pierce and Green.

What did he say? Ray hasnt said a single word


as for Doc, he does a great job of being a prick in his interview

I think he conveys how he views things well, justifies his decisions, and deflects blame from his current player (Rondo).

That's pretty much his job at this point.

yea i agree with that. HE did the right thing by basically leaving Rondo out of it, which is what a coach should do.

[Galeto]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

[Fafnir]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

[Interceptor]

Well, the upshot here: I was prepared to issue a mea culpa if necessary, but now I don't have to. After all, there could have been a completely defensible reason to pull the ripcord, but have it be something Allen couldn't mention publicly.

Instead, we find out that the reason he didn't come out with it, was because it would make him look like a jerk.

[Galeto]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

I get that.  The ages of Ray, KG and Paul versus Rondo muddies culpability for the offense's decline.  But my thing is, since the results on offense weren't all that great beyond Rondo's assist numbers exploding the last three seasons, why not at least try to spread the touches around more?

It's possible for Rondo to dominate the ball like most point guards besides Nash and Chris Paul and still have Pierce try to probe the defense before it's set or have Ray walk into a three like he did hundreds of time before coming to the Celtics.  Putting the ball exclusively in Rondo's hands took away options needlessly.

The Celtics play such an extreme style of Rondo ball that there is room for some compromise that still leaves Rondo incredibly ball dominant.  I hate the lack of adjustments.

[Snakehead]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

I get that.  The ages of Ray, KG and Paul versus Rondo muddies culpability for the offense's decline.  But my thing is, since the results on offense weren't all that great beyond Rondo's assist numbers exploding the last three seasons, why not at least try to spread the touches around more?

It's possible for Rondo to dominate the ball like most point guards besides Nash and Chris Paul and still have Pierce try to probe the defense before it's set or have Ray walk into a three like he did hundreds of time before coming to the Celtics.  Putting the ball exclusively in Rondo's hands took away options needlessly.

The Celtics play such an extreme style of Rondo ball that there is room for some compromise that still leaves Rondo incredibly ball dominant.  I hate the lack of adjustments.

"besides Rondo's assist numbers exploding" ... you are ignoring someone running the offense well there.  Rondo doesn't take options away, he sacrifices his own scoring for others.

There is nothing to blame Rondo for here.  Rondo is the best player on the team, he should dominate the ball ala Paul or Nash.  If Ray can't take that, good riddance.  We replaced him and improved with Terry/Lee.

[rayallen1934]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

I get that.  The ages of Ray, KG and Paul versus Rondo muddies culpability for the offense's decline.  But my thing is, since the results on offense weren't all that great beyond Rondo's assist numbers exploding the last three seasons, why not at least try to spread the touches around more?

It's possible for Rondo to dominate the ball like most point guards besides Nash and Chris Paul and still have Pierce try to probe the defense before it's set or have Ray walk into a three like he did hundreds of time before coming to the Celtics.  Putting the ball exclusively in Rondo's hands took away options needlessly.

The Celtics play such an extreme style of Rondo ball that there is room for some compromise that still leaves Rondo incredibly ball dominant.  I hate the lack of adjustments.

The biggest problem with Rondo is he sucks majorly at WANTING to shoot the ball

He sucks at shooting but not as much. Rondo is an ok shooter. His problem is he has extreme fright or hesitation.

A normal point guard would shoot shots with the time running down

but people want to blame Ray for running around multiple screens

Thats what gets people open and Rondo of all people is to blame when he just sits there when there giving him 10 feet.

Its pathetic.

[rayallen1934]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

I get that.  The ages of Ray, KG and Paul versus Rondo muddies culpability for the offense's decline.  But my thing is, since the results on offense weren't all that great beyond Rondo's assist numbers exploding the last three seasons, why not at least try to spread the touches around more?

It's possible for Rondo to dominate the ball like most point guards besides Nash and Chris Paul and still have Pierce try to probe the defense before it's set or have Ray walk into a three like he did hundreds of time before coming to the Celtics.  Putting the ball exclusively in Rondo's hands took away options needlessly.

The Celtics play such an extreme style of Rondo ball that there is room for some compromise that still leaves Rondo incredibly ball dominant.  I hate the lack of adjustments.

"besides Rondo's assist numbers exploding" ... you are ignoring someone running the offense well there.  Rondo doesn't take options away, he sacrifices his own scoring for others.

There is nothing to blame Rondo for here.  Rondo is the best player on the team, he should dominate the ball ala Paul or Nash.  If Ray can't take that, good riddance.  We replaced him and improved with Terry/Lee.

Blame Rondo for having the shooting tendency's of a Shaquille Oneal at the guard spot

[Snakehead]

So Ray leaving really did come down to not getting enough touches and being annoyed that Rondo had the ball the time.  I can't blame him.  It annoys the heck out of me too.  If the results on offense were so great to warrant it, there would be nothing to complain about it but the offense has sucked the last three years.  But no, of course no modification is needed.

I'd be more open to this criticism if there were better options to have the ball, but I don't think asking Paul/KG to create with the ball as much as they did in 07-08 is viable anymore.

Ray always was asked to sacrifice the most of the Big 3.

I get that.  The ages of Ray, KG and Paul versus Rondo muddies culpability for the offense's decline.  But my thing is, since the results on offense weren't all that great beyond Rondo's assist numbers exploding the last three seasons, why not at least try to spread the touches around more?

It's possible for Rondo to dominate the ball like most point guards besides Nash and Chris Paul and still have Pierce try to probe the defense before it's set or have Ray walk into a three like he did hundreds of time before coming to the Celtics.  Putting the ball exclusively in Rondo's hands took away options needlessly.

The Celtics play such an extreme style of Rondo ball that there is room for some compromise that still leaves Rondo incredibly ball dominant.  I hate the lack of adjustments.

"besides Rondo's assist numbers exploding" ... you are ignoring someone running the offense well there.  Rondo doesn't take options away, he sacrifices his own scoring for others.

There is nothing to blame Rondo for here.  Rondo is the best player on the team, he should dominate the ball ala Paul or Nash.  If Ray can't take that, good riddance.  We replaced him and improved with Terry/Lee.

Blame Rondo for having the shooting tendency's of a Shaquille Oneal at the guard spot

Nah I won't.  He is improving there and I like that he knows there are better people on the team to be taking shots. 

We contend every year.  He leads the league in assists.  He has more fire than just about any player in the NBA.  I will ride with Rondo any day.



(Also to follow your logic defending Ray, you think Ray would be happy with Rondo taking a lot of jump shots?  What is your point here?)