2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"

[Roy H.]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

I don't think this is a new phenomenon with Ellis, though.  Check out past CB Drafts, or the Pick 2 draft.  People don't like Ellis.  It's not just one respected member shaping opinions; he's always been a guy you don't want to be stuck with.

Zach Randolph used to be that way, but his image was rehabilitated.  Mo Williams.  Andrea Bargnani, to some extent.  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.  Tyreke Evans.  Obviously Andray Blatche.

Some guys just aren't looked upon favorably.  I don't think it's any conspiracy or people not having the independent thought to do their own evaluations.  Rather, people just don't like his track record.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

What happened to Philly? Never heard from that team for days.

[Aussie Celtic]

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[Rondo2287]

Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done.  Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.

C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)


For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year

thoughts?

[KCattheStripe]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. 

Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.

[Roy H.]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. 

Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.

Haha.  Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right?  Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

I don't think this is a new phenomenon with Ellis, though.  Check out past CB Drafts, or the Pick 2 draft.  People don't like Ellis.  It's not just one respected member shaping opinions; he's always been a guy you don't want to be stuck with.

Zach Randolph used to be that way, but his image was rehabilitated.  Mo Williams.  Andrea Bargnani, to some extent.  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.  Tyreke Evans.  Obviously Andray Blatche.

Some guys just aren't looked upon favorably.  I don't think it's any conspiracy or people not having the independent thought to do their own evaluations.  Rather, people just don't like his track record.

Which is why theres the press cons. That's the big part. Convince this guys that him or him is so and so. While people might not hanged their mind, a good argument could at least sway them in your teams favor.

[jgod213]

Monta and Durant won't work IMHO

That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!

What Gomesfan said.

Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.

It's all good, though.

That's it right there. All the teams that where tearing him down where the teams sending me multiple offers for him, for the most part. I am not trading g a guy with his stats for two third string down the bench guys like a Hollins and say Mikkis Moore. No one offered those exact guys but insert Yout own names. All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless and people expect you take except ridiculous offers that a real gm would stop even dealing with the other.
Monta is a guy who can score and get assists and there a plenty successful teams in the league who have these guys... LeBron.... Westbrook.... Etc.....Didn't the Warriors get a little worse after losing him?

Haha welcome to the CB draft my friend.  There are certain guys who's reps are a bit tarnished here, and there is a lot of gamesmanship that goes on between GMs.

Also, a lot of this is your own doing (and by own i mean you and your co-GM).

You guys flooded these boards over the past few days with pleading solisitations for Monta deals.  At one point i think it was every 3rd or 4th post was from the Knicks asking for offers on Ellis.  I myself got a PM asking if i would make an offer, i replied that it would be too cost prohibitive to try and obtain Monta for me, and i got a response back asking me to just throw anything out there.

Personally i think the Durant/Ellis combo can work, but you guys are going to need to make a compelling arguement to convince the masses.

[Rondo2287]

Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done.  Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.

C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)


For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year

thoughts?

Sorry guys,  I forgot the password for this thread... "Monta Ellis is available"

[wdleehi]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

I don't think this is a new phenomenon with Ellis, though.  Check out past CB Drafts, or the Pick 2 draft.  People don't like Ellis.  It's not just one respected member shaping opinions; he's always been a guy you don't want to be stuck with.

Zach Randolph used to be that way, but his image was rehabilitated.  Mo Williams.  Andrea Bargnani, to some extent.  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.  Tyreke Evans.  Obviously Andray Blatche.

Some guys just aren't looked upon favorably.  I don't think it's any conspiracy or people not having the independent thought to do their own evaluations.  Rather, people just don't like his track record.

Which is why theres the press cons. That's the big part. Convince this guys that him or him is so and so. While people might not hanged their mind, a good argument could at least sway them in your teams favor.

I have never seen a press conference change my opinion on a player.


In fact, I have never really seen a press conference help my opinion of a team. 


I have seen it hurt my opinion when someone comes up with a strategy that doesn't work for their best players strengths. 



We are all NBA fans.  We have seen these players (for the most part) play.  We have our opinions. 

[wdleehi]

Press conferences are suppose to be fun. 


Put in the amount of work that makes you enjoy it.



Personally, I no longer have the time (or want) to pull out all sort of graphics and long paragraphs on strategy.  That's why my presser will be short and to the point. 



I do love the question and answer portion following. 

[StartOrien]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. 

Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.

Haha.  Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right?  Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?

guy just needs to be put in the right situation. Amnestied from the horrid nets and to be allowed to do what he does best. I think you'll see a tremendous leap from him this year. Would love to hear what some people from the great state of rhode island have to say about him

[wdleehi]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. 

Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.

Haha.  Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right?  Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?

guy just needs to be put in the right situation. Amnestied from the horrid nets and to be allowed to do what he does best. I think you'll see a tremendous leap from him this year. Would love to hear what some people from the great state of rhode island have to say about him

Isn't he a stat hanger on a bad team that was looking to dump him this offseason?

[celticpride07]

Monta and Durant won't work IMHO

That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!

What Gomesfan said.

Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.

It's all good, though.

That's it right there. All the teams that where tearing him down where the teams sending me multiple offers for him, for the most part. I am not trading g a guy with his stats for two third string down the bench guys like a Hollins and say Mikkis Moore. No one offered those exact guys but insert Yout own names. All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless and people expect you take except ridiculous offers that a real gm would stop even dealing with the other.
Monta is a guy who can score and get assists and there a plenty successful teams in the league who have these guys... LeBron.... Westbrook.... Etc.....Didn't the Warriors get a little worse after losing him?

Haha welcome to the CB draft my friend.  There are certain guys who's reps are a bit tarnished here, and there is a lot of gamesmanship that goes on between GMs.

Also, a lot of this is your own doing (and by own i mean you and your co-GM).

You guys flooded these boards over the past few days with pleading solisitations for Monta deals.  At one point i think it was every 3rd or 4th post was from the Knicks asking for offers on Ellis.  I myself got a PM asking if i would make an offer, i replied that it would be too cost prohibitive to try and obtain Monta for me, and i got a response back asking me to just throw anything out there.

Personally i think the Durant/Ellis combo can work, but you guys are going to need to make a compelling arguement to convince the masses.

Yeah I was under the impression they were looking to move monta for  50 cents on the dollar not 10 dollars.  Nobody is going to give good value for certain players on this board.

[Roy H.]

All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...

  MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. 

Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.

Haha.  Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right?  Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?

guy just needs to be put in the right situation. Amnestied from the horrid nets and to be allowed to do what he does best. I think you'll see a tremendous leap from him this year. Would love to hear what some people from the great state of rhode island have to say about him

I'd like to see what he does with a defensive coach who is willing to bench him when he doesn't put in the effort.  That said, it concerns me when he says that the player he'd like to model himself after is Jamal Crawford.  Late in his career Crawford at least learned to play to his strengths by accepting a 6th man role.  However, he was never a good all-around player, and I worry Brooks is going to follow the same path, without the same level of talent.