2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"

[Who]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

[StartOrien]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Press conferences are suppose to be fun. 


Put in the amount of work that makes you enjoy it.



Personally, I no longer have the time (or want) to pull out all sort of graphics and long paragraphs on strategy.  That's why my presser will be short and to the point. 



I do love the question and answer portion following.

I miss Bhaku. He puts up a MEAN presentation.

[Roy H.]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

Nice advocating.   Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year.  He's ready.

With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too.  It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.

[indeedproceed]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Yeah I didn't think Kyrie Irving was that bad as a defender when I picked him at 1.18, but after hearing your take on him I went looking for more data, and he was pretty bad. Just a terrible defender, awful passer, injury-prone, closet scientologist with a penchant for kitty snuff films.

Kyrie Irving : Terrible.

[Rondo2287]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

Nice advocating.   Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year.  He's ready.

With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too.  It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.

That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers. 

[indeedproceed]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

Nice advocating.   Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year.  He's ready.

With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too.  It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.

That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.

Him and Varejao. Total stat-stuffers.

[StartOrien]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

Nice advocating.   Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year.  He's ready.

With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too.  It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.

Oh! I see how you could read that and think perhaps I was doing a little politicking. I was just giving a very honest, unbiased opinion of a player outside the context of the Celticsblog draft. My sincerest apologies for what was HONESTLY just a total coincidence.

BTW, got you guys near the top of my TOTF rankings. Can't wait to read your presser in its entirety!

[Kane3387]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

Nice advocating.   Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year.  He's ready.

With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too.  It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.

That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.

Irving is nice. But second best player on a contending team? Too soon for that argument for me. I do like him, but the guy hasn't even sniffed the playoffs let alone the finals. He didn't even get to play in the NCAA tourney. So when was the last time he played in any kind of elimination style game? High School?

He is just too unknown to me and unproven. I saw Tyreke kill it his rookie year and was a no show the next two. I thought making a binkie be the second best player was a risk even if it is with Lebron. I think it's likely a conference finals team. LA and Portland will give it trouble though. At this point I don't see even Lebron beating this Laker's team. They're beastly.

[Roy H.]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

Nice advocating.   Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year.  He's ready.

With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too.  It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.

That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.

Irving is nice. But second best player on a contending team? Too soon for that argument for me. I do like him, but the guy hasn't even sniffed the playoffs let alone the finals. He didn't even get to play in the NCAA tourney. So when was the last time he played in any kind of elimination style game? High School?

He is just too unknown to me and unproven. I saw Tyreke kill it his rookie year and was a no show the next two. I thought making a binkie be the second best player was a risk even if it is with Lebron. I think it's likely a conference finals team. LA and Portland will give it trouble though. At this point I don't see even Lebron beating this Laker's team. They're beastly.

I think the "one year of good numbers" comment was in relation to MarShon Brooks.

I think you're wrong about Irving, though.  The kid came in as a 19 year old and was his team's unquestioned leader.  He put up huge numbers, and did it efficiently.  He was statistically the most clutch player in the entire NBA. 

I think the Mavs are better than the Lakers by a decent margin, but we can leave that to the matchup arguments if we get to that point.

[StartOrien]

I think the Mavs are better than the Lakers by a decent margin, but we can leave that to the matchup arguments if we get to that point.

"I'm comin for you, Hobbs"

[Kane3387]

Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done.  Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.

C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)


For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year

thoughts?

Contender. Any team with Dunacan and Kobe will be. This team I think is being overlooked but they remind me of the Celtics without a Rondo like player. Still their depth is far superior to the Celtics that finished this season. They will be the smartest team in the league and age is the only question.

I think they can match up with anyone in the East (yes that includes Boston).

I see them being no better then a 3 seed in the regular season b/c of the preservation of the better players. I don't think seeding matters to this team though. They just need to get in the playoffs. They will be a very tough out in a 7 game series. I think team with size and athleticism will be their toughest opponents.

Only a fool wouldn't respect the names on this team and take them lightly.

[WeMadeIt17]

Boston and NYC's pressers are up ask some questions folks.

[Kane3387]

I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.

So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.

Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.

Nice advocating.   Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year.  He's ready.

With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too.  It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.

That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.

Irving is nice. But second best player on a contending team? Too soon for that argument for me. I do like him, but the guy hasn't even sniffed the playoffs let alone the finals. He didn't even get to play in the NCAA tourney. So when was the last time he played in any kind of elimination style game? High School?

He is just too unknown to me and unproven. I saw Tyreke kill it his rookie year and was a no show the next two. I thought making a binkie be the second best player was a risk even if it is with Lebron. I think it's likely a conference finals team. LA and Portland will give it trouble though. At this point I don't see even Lebron beating this Laker's team. They're beastly.

I think the "one year of good numbers" comment was in relation to MarShon Brooks.

I think you're wrong about Irving, though.  The kid came in as a 19 year old and was his team's unquestioned leader.  He put up huge numbers, and did it efficiently.  He was statistically the most clutch player in the entire NBA. 

I think the Mavs are better than the Lakers by a decent margin, but we can leave that to the matchup arguments if we get to that point.

I just look at the match ups. I wasn't hating on your squad obviously if I think it is a Conference Finals team. Any team with James is elite. La just did a great job of building a roster that attacks James.

Tony Allen is the best perimeter defender in the game. He will harass LeBron and make life as difficult as possible for him. He will attack Lebron with his defense, this will be constant. I remember in 2010 against the Cavs Allen's D on James was terrific.

On Defense Lebron can't take off. He has to guard one of Gay, Horford, or LA. The latter two are All-Stars and Rudy Gay is a top 5 SF. I just see LeBron having no opportunity to take a couple plays off unless he guards Tony Allen.

I like Lowry in a matchup with Kyrie. Irving isn't an elite athlete by any stretch. Lowry will consistently make him work on both ends. His size advantage on Irving is big in that matchup in my opinion.

After that you really don't have a lot of offense. I think the talent on the Lakers is better then what the 2012 Celtics had in the ECF. I also think the 2012 Miami Heat had a lot more talent with Wade then Dallas does. I guess you can say Kyrie could duplicate what Wade did, but I will go back to match ups. Wade was being guarded by Ray Allen on one leg. Kyrie will be getting hounded by Lowry.

[Roy H.]

Again, I'll save it for the playoffs, especially since your mind is already made up.  I will say, though, that Tony Allen can't guard Lebron, and that Lebron is used to taking the opposing team's best defensive assignment.  He has seemed to do alright against Pierce in his career; I'm sure he'd do just fine against any player on the Lakers.

EDIT:  Ah, the heck with it.  I'll respond to this part:

After that you really don't have a lot of offense.

If you go by the starting lineups, on a per-game basis the Lakers and Mavs are almost identical in terms of scoring.  If you equalize minutes by going to a per-36 minute analysis, once again the starters are virtually identical.  The Lakers don't have anybody as good as Ben Gordon or Elton Brand coming off their bench, though.