2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"

[WeMadeIt17]

and yet we ended up with the best scorer in the league.

[nickagneta]

2012 CB Houston Boxers - Larry Brown - Coach

PG: Lin/Beaubois/Rivers
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Lee/Rivers
SF: Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist/Faried
PF: Ibaka/Faried/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Andersen/Odoh

Experimenting with the idea of a starting five of

Lin
Kidd-Gilchrist
Barnes
Faried
Ibaka

No experience but I think it would be a very good defensive base to start with and get better and better offensively over the years as Lin, MKG and Barnes learn the pro game and mature. I think all three could eventually be special players offensively.

I also think that in 5 years people will look back and say that MKG was the best player chosen in this draft and that he will become a superduperstar.

Then as a second unit I will trot out

Beaubois
Rivers
Lee
Montiejumas
Valanciunas

Don't pooh pooh the Lithuanians. They are big, athletic, and talented. Montiejunas lit up the Vegas League and Val, once acclimated will be a stud.

Then the deep bench has Andersen, Udoh and Henson. If Andersen comes back healthy he's one of the best back up big men in the league, Udoh is a defensive gem of a backup PF/C and Henson can be brought along slowly as he gets some extra bulk. He is another defensive gem of a big man.

Defense and rebounding. The Boxers live by that. Unfortunately we only have pups but when this pack gets older, they are going hunting and they will bite.

BTW, if this year's draft class is as good as everyone says it will be, this is a sure lock for TOTF and its not even close.

[WeMadeIt17]

2012 CB Houston Boxers - Larry Brown - Coach

PG: Lin/Beaubois/Rivers
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Lee/Rivers
SF: Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist/Faried
PF: Ibaka/Faried/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Andersen/Odoh

Experimenting with the idea of a starting five of

Lin
Kidd-Gilchrist
Barnes
Faried
Ibaka

No experience but I think it would be a very good defensive base to start with and get better and better offensively over the years as Lin, MKG and Barnes learn the pro game and mature. I think all three could eventually be special players offensively.

I also think that in 5 years people will look back and say that MKG was the best player chosen in this draft and that he will become a superduperstar.

Then as a second unit I will trot out

Beaubois
Rivers
Lee
Montiejumas
Valanciunas

Don't pooh pooh the Lithuanians. They are big, athletic, and talented. Montiejunas lit up the Vegas League and Val, once acclimated will be a stud.

Then the deep bench has Andersen, Udoh and Henson. If Andersen comes back healthy he's one of the best back up big men in the league, Udoh is a defensive gem of a backup PF/C and Henson can be brought along slowly as he gets some extra bulk. He is another defensive gem of a big man.

Defense and rebounding. The Boxers live by that. Unfortunately we only have pups but when this pack gets older, they are going hunting and they will bite.

BTW, if this year's draft class is as good as everyone says it will be, this is a sure lock for TOTF and its not even close.

very young team. Would be fun to watch will probably knock down some heavyweights in the season but will miss the playoffs. Very fun team to watch though.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Looking for thoughts on the rotation, are there guys I'm not playing enough? Too much?

Well I started Bosh at center in what 2009? That was actually more successful with voters than starting KG at center in 2011. So I'm fine with him getting minutes as the reserve 5. But I wish you could pair him with a better rebounder than tweener Thaddeus Young, who's a plus rebounder only for a small forward. Otherwise no complaints.

[Kane3387]

For the Knicks.

Calderon has to start. Bring ellis off. The bench in the harden and Jason Terry role if you won't start both. Defensively they will be at a disadvantage when you play big guards and they're on the floor together, but Jose has a skill set that really works with Ellis. He shoots the ball great and will space the floor. As a result he doesn't need the ball to be effective so offensively they work.

As for Ellis not working with Durant.. Please explain why... Durant is the rare player who can play off anyone. No player in the league can match his ability to play off the ball and with the ball at his level.

If Durant and Westbrook can work why can't Ellis and Durant? Makes no sense to me.

I recommend this lineup.

Calderon Leonard Durant Davis and Jordan as starters
Calderon Ellis Durant Leonard and Jordan or Davis depending on the matchup as finishers.

[WeMadeIt17]

For the Knicks.

Calderon has to start. Bring ellis off. The bench in the harden and Jason Terry role if you won't start both. Defensively they will be at a disadvantage when you play big guards and they're on the floor together, but Jose has a skill set that really works with Ellis. He shoots the ball great and will space the floor. As a result he doesn't need the ball to be effective so offensively they work.

As for Ellis not working with Durant.. Please explain why... Durant is the rare player who can play off anyone. No player in the league can match his ability to play off the ball and with the ball at his level.

If Durant and Westbrook can work why can't Ellis and Durant? Makes no sense to me.

I recommend this lineup.

Calderon Leonard Durant Davis and Jordan as starters
Calderon Ellis Durant Leonard and Jordan or Davis depending on the matchup as finishers.

Holy crap! Someone who can grasp basketball terms!

[Kane3387]

So here is my team, as I see it. Guys listed earlier at a position means more pt than the guy behind him.

Holiday/Jack/Shved
Wade/Jack/Lamb
Pierce/Parsons/Butler
Bosh/Young/Parsons
Splitter/Bosh/Haywood/Vucevic

I think your are overhyping jack. He put up numbers on a very bad team and won the pg spot by default.

Wade pierce and bosh are the team. They take you as far as you go. Don't tell me about young jack or splitter. Holiday is very solid. I like him, but it's those three guys.

Would honestly start haywood. He's the only guy who protects the rim on your team. He was horrible backing up Chandler. Splitter has always been a backup.

Obviously a contender and very good team. Also would move young over parsons at sf. He should be the other forward when one of pierce or bosh is out.

Still I think you might be too small when bosh is bat center with young at pf. Miami can get away with that bc of lebrons defensive greatness and his strength and athleticism. Young is no lebron. I think you'll get beat up against bigger front lines and out rebounded.

Wouldn't feel great about any of your centers finishing games.

[The Walker Wiggle]

2012 CB OKC Thunder

Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin (Jimmer)
Sf:  Caron Butler, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Tyler hansbrough Markieff Morris
C:  Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman Kendrick Perkins

Extremely deep in the big man department watch out Dwight!

Difficult to assess. A surfeit of talent. The OKC Thunder scream 24 team league, when most of our squads somehow don't, and I don't want to discount that. But the team has too few playmakers given the scoring options - a complaint you've heard plenty. And I worry that while OKC should play solid man-to-man defense in the half court, the help defense, a necessity in today's NBA schemes, and the transition defense will be poor to awful, since Bynum still lacks consistency in both, and there's little margin for his errors pairing him Bargnani, and not much help to be found on the wings.

And I hate Martin coming off the bench behind Evans when he's the better player, just move Evans to the 3. It's not his natural position, but he was already forced into the role on last season's Kings. Neither Butler nor Jefferson gives you what you're missing in the starting line-up anyway.

[Kane3387]

Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Stephen Curry

Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jameer Nelson
Forwards: Michael Beasley, Steve Novak, DeJuan Blair
Centers:  Spencer Hawes, Greg Stiemsma

Lots of depth. A few things. Gasol as a Number one option is 0-12 in the playoffs. I don't think he can lead a team to the final four in the NBA. His numbers have been very poor in the last two post seasons.

Not a huge gortat guy. Definitely expecting the Nash effect where he has a drop off in production. He is good but as your second guy I don't like it.

I won't go deep into injuries but curry, billups, and Wallace are a concern.

Last thing. Who is your "guard dog"? Almost every team that wins has a no nonsense guy that has their teams back. Especially the star and gasol HAS to have that. Some teams haven't but they won with overwhelming talent.

Haslem and even wade send the message. Artest or even a Derek fisher. Kg. Tyson Chandler. The spurs had guys like horry. Guys who might take a "cheap shot" but a message was sent. We won't be punked. I think for you the best option is Gerald Wallace.

The minute break down for the guards will be big. Nelson is a leader. He needs to play. Billups does too and I think he should start. Just not sure there is enough minutes for Williams, smith, billups and curry. Smith will be a problem if not given run so I think that needs to be addressed.

Can you trust Beasley to be a consistent big off the bench? Don't think so. Minnesota and miami didnt. Gerald has to play some four as a result. But that means smith can have minutes at the three.

I like your team in the regular season. I do. Bc of the depth. But in a seven game series in the playoffs I don't. Stars win playoff games and your team has ZERO 2011-12 All-Stars.

[Kane3387]

2012 CB Houston Boxers - Larry Brown - Coach

PG: Lin/Beaubois/Rivers
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Lee/Rivers
SF: Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist/Faried
PF: Ibaka/Faried/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Andersen/Odoh

Experimenting with the idea of a starting five of

Lin
Kidd-Gilchrist
Barnes
Faried
Ibaka

No experience but I think it would be a very good defensive base to start with and get better and better offensively over the years as Lin, MKG and Barnes learn the pro game and mature. I think all three could eventually be special players offensively.

I also think that in 5 years people will look back and say that MKG was the best player chosen in this draft and that he will become a superduperstar.

Then as a second unit I will trot out

Beaubois
Rivers
Lee
Montiejumas
Valanciunas

Don't pooh pooh the Lithuanians. They are big, athletic, and talented. Montiejunas lit up the Vegas League and Val, once acclimated will be a stud.

Then the deep bench has Andersen, Udoh and Henson. If Andersen comes back healthy he's one of the best back up big men in the league, Udoh is a defensive gem of a backup PF/C and Henson can be brought along slowly as he gets some extra bulk. He is another defensive gem of a big man.

Defense and rebounding. The Boxers live by that. Unfortunately we only have pups but when this pack gets older, they are going hunting and they will bite.

BTW, if this year's draft class is as good as everyone says it will be, this is a sure lock for TOTF and its not even close.

Clearly a lottery team. Clearly totf. Lik ibaka and fraried. While small it is energetic and there are only a handful of centers who can punish it.

Dont like beaobois and rivers. Roddy is what he is a low iq sg. Been in the league long enough that potential is almost gone. I'd find more time for Henson.

This team has to develop it's 2012 lottery guys so give them as much run as possible.

Props must be given on direction. Either contend or lose. Don't be in between. This team will lose but the young talent will develop into assets and contender in a year or two or three will likely be born.

[Kane3387]

2012 CB OKC Thunder

Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin (Jimmer)
Sf:  Caron Butler,, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Tyler hansbrough Markieff Morris
C:  Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman Kendrick Perkins

Extremely deep in the big man department watch out Dwight!

Offensively I have Martin at the sf while Evans guards opposing sf. This tandem didn't work in sac town and Martin was traded for less value. Bynum a beast but he needs a strong leadership around him or he gets too entitled. Issues arose between Evans and cousins. They could between Bynum and Evans.

Chalmers is a perfect fit with Evans . No different then playing with wade and lebron as far as role for rio. Barbs and bynum on offense is terrific. On defense know. And who consistently gets them touches.

Evans might be best here as a sixth man who finishes the game. Evans anchors the second unit and Bynum the first.

Love the center depth especially since all have battled significant injuries. Wise move.

This is a team I think does solid in the regular season and likely makes the playoffs. But in a seven game series I think it struggles against the more talented and cohesive teams.

[Gomesfan]

Monta and Durant won't work IMHO

That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!

[GreenFaith1819]

Monta and Durant won't work IMHO

That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!

What Gomesfan said.

Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.

It's all good, though.

[Rondo2287]

Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done.  Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.

C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)


For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year

[Gomesfan]

Monta and Durant won't work IMHO

That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!

What Gomesfan said.

Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.

It's all good, though.

That's it right there. All the teams that where tearing him down where the teams sending me multiple offers for him, for the most part. I am not trading g a guy with his stats for two third string down the bench guys like a Hollins and say Mikkis Moore. No one offered those exact guys but insert Yout own names. All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless and people expect you take except ridiculous offers that a real gm would stop even dealing with the other.
Monta is a guy who can score and get assists and there a plenty successful teams in the league who have these guys... LeBron.... Westbrook.... Etc.....Didn't the Warriors get a little worse after losing him?