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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1020 on: August 02, 2012, 02:35:56 PM »

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After another trade:

Cleveland Derps:

Roster and projected rotations:

PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C  - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich

Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark.  If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape.  Charlotte Felton, and you're okay.  Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.


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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1021 on: August 02, 2012, 02:38:15 PM »

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After another trade:

Cleveland Derps:

Roster and projected rotations:

PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C  - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich

Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark.  If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape.  Charlotte Felton, and you're okay.  Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.

Denver Felton is also to be avoided.

I think it was a good move.

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1022 on: August 02, 2012, 02:39:31 PM »

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After another trade:

Cleveland Derps:

Roster and projected rotations:

PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C  - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich

Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark.  If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape.  Charlotte Felton, and you're okay.  Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.

He said "he's better than Lin" and admitted his flaw from last year. He looks to be in resurgence mode, I'd take that.
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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1023 on: August 02, 2012, 02:47:10 PM »

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#1) You didn't even answer the actual question about notwithstanding?

#2) Because I didn't agree with you about Ricky Rubio, you think its pointless to try to tell me what to expect from a extremely talented 19 year old rookie? Weak. I might be a bit conventional about positions, and rookies at times, but you've got a few very accurate projections. I'm willing to listen, and kind of offended that you think I'm either too set in myways to give it an honest try, or too dumb to understand the implications you're making.

And that's with the hope that you don't think I'm so much of a jerk that I'd just ask a question so I can tell you you're wrong.

1) I don't know! It's 14th century Middle English that only lawyers use now.

2) Yeah, I realize my first answer is too woeful. But answers to the question you're asking are all over the internets, and statistical flights of fancy tend to go over with a thud here. So it's not that I feel it's pointless to argue with you, I feel it's pointless to argue with anybody. I'm a convert to SO's rule of thumb, keep it succinct.

Caveat, I'm an NBA head, not a college basketball head, but where does his freshman season rank?

• Unanimous first-team All-American.
• Voted best freshman of the year, winning the Wayman Tisdale Award.
•  Won the Wooden Award, Naismith Award, Adolph Rupp Trophy and AP Player of the Year.
• Broke the NCAA freshman block record and won AP Defensive Player of the Year honors.
• Named Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament while leading his team to a national championship.
• Consensus #1 pick and now a U.S. Olympian.

And you and Roy and KC can joke, but I think the Olympic selection is a meaningful impact on his development, and it's got me even more excited for the kid. It's basically training camp with the NBA's Avengers.

In terms of player comparisons, as a 19 year-old freshman he was rebounding (11.6 per 36 versus 9.65), stealing the basketball (1.52 vs 1.14) and blocking shots (5.31 vs. 4.56) at a higher rate than Marcus Camby did at any point in his college career, while - and this I find really impressive - fouling at a lower rate (2.19 vs 3.1).

So then I'd set Camby's rookie year 14.8 and 6.3 with 1 steal and 2 blocks as Davis's basement. He's going to be better than that. He's so much quicker and his body control is better.

If that answer is too dry for you? DraftExpress say his best case scenario is Blake Griffin meets Tyson Chandler.

My only cause for concern short-term is that while he's phenomenal at finishing anything around the rim, he needs passes and New Orleans after dumping Jarrett Jack has the worst guard rotation in the league. That team is one Eric Gordon set back from starting Vasquez and Roger Mason. How u.
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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1024 on: August 02, 2012, 02:52:26 PM »

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For anyone other than IP, please just skip the above. Though if you want to read some of my favorite writing about Anthony Davis here it is:

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Anthony Davis didn't even need to block a shot to seal Kentucky's victory against Kansas. He just had to imply it. With under a minute left, the Jayhawks had the ball. They had reduced Kentucky's once-commanding 18-point lead to six. Kansas guard Elijah Johnson received the ball in space out on the left wing off an interior screen with an opportunity to create against the rotating Kentucky defense. Davis' legs are so long that he typically covers ground effortlessly, almost laconically. But in that moment, sensing the urgency, he surged toward Johnson and leaped at full extension. It was a pre-emptive strike, shot blocking as playmaking, and the effect was mesmerizing -- as if someone had hurled an extension ladder at Johnson.

Johnson, having already opted for what he thought was a wide-open jumper, was hardly expecting company. Davis soared above him like the sword of Damocles. Johnson flinched in midair like a man who suddenly wanted to be somewhere else -- anywhere else. While in midair, he tried to bounce the ball to reset his dribble. The referee called a travel.

Game over. NCAA tournament over.

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1025 on: August 02, 2012, 03:00:56 PM »

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After another trade:

Cleveland Derps:

Roster and projected rotations:

PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C  - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich

Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark.  If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape.  Charlotte Felton, and you're okay.  Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.

He said "he's better than Lin" and admitted his flaw from last year. He looks to be in resurgence mode, I'd take that.

Scott Machado also said he was better than Jeremy "Rodney Dangerfield" Lin. I'm really down on Felton after his prima donna act last season. He's a terrible shooter who's Offensive Rating is consistently worse than his Defensive Rating - seven out of his nine seasons in the league.

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1026 on: August 02, 2012, 03:02:32 PM »

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After another trade:

Cleveland Derps:

Roster and projected rotations:

PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C  - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich

Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark.  If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape.  Charlotte Felton, and you're okay.  Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.

He said "he's better than Lin" and admitted his flaw from last year. He looks to be in resurgence mode, I'd take that.

Scott Machado also said he was better than Jeremy "Rodney Dangerfield" Lin. I'm really down on Felton after his prima donna act last season. He's a terrible shooter who's Offensive Rating is consistently worse than his Defensive Rating.

That said, isn't Felton a more willing passer than Chalmers? I feel as though the ball sticks to Mario more than it should, though perhaps that's an incorrect assessment.
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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1027 on: August 02, 2012, 03:05:35 PM »

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TWW I read everything you wrote, its just taking a second to get some time to get some thoughts together.

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1028 on: August 02, 2012, 03:06:38 PM »

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I love Anthony Davis and am convinced he is a real deal superduperstar in the making.

Also, letting everyone know now that next year I am drafting Nerlens Noel first round, because he will be every bit as good as Anthony Davis. He's a hometown boy(Everett, MA BABY!!!) and a friend of my son's.

So HANDS OFF NEXT YEAR!!!

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1029 on: August 02, 2012, 03:08:14 PM »

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I love Anthony Davis and am convinced he is a real deal superduperstar in the making.

Also, letting everyone know now that next year I am drafting Nerlens Noel first round, because he will be every bit as good as Anthony Davis. He's a hometown boy(Everett, MA BABY!!!) and a friend of my son's.

So HANDS OFF NEXT YEAR!!!

SHould've pulled a Red Auerbach.

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1030 on: August 02, 2012, 03:10:12 PM »

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I love Anthony Davis and am convinced he is a real deal superduperstar in the making.

Also, letting everyone know now that next year I am drafting Nerlens Noel first round, because he will be every bit as good as Anthony Davis. He's a hometown boy(Everett, MA BABY!!!) and a friend of my son's.

So HANDS OFF NEXT YEAR!!!

SHould've pulled a Red Auerbach.
If I was allowed to pick him with my next pick, I would.

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1031 on: August 02, 2012, 03:16:54 PM »

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My expectations for Anthony Davis long term are sky high (MVP caliber talent).

My expectations for him short term are more like a quality rotation player who can give 32-35 minutes a night.

Probably average around 14-15ppg (excellent finisher + solid set jump-shooter, odd post move, limited shot-creator, relies on others), 8-10rpg, 2-3apg (strong high post passing) and 2-3bpg, shoot a good percentage from the field while on the defensive end supplying mixed man-to-man defense (struggling with powerful scorers, doing well on finesse types) + well above average team defense but not elite (yet). This is how I'll be rating him in this CB Draft.

Actually, for the CB Draft, I'd probably increase the rebounds to 10-11rpg due to C.Frye and D.Arthur. 

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1032 on: August 02, 2012, 03:18:40 PM »

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After another trade:

Cleveland Derps:

Roster and projected rotations:

PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C  - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich

Yeah you've done great work over the past day and a half or so, Yok.  If you can find a solution to your PF situation i think you can argue your way into the playoffs.

Have you considered starting Melo at the 4? A lot of people on this board are high on him there.  If you can aquire a solid 3 to put next to him with your remaining assets i think you might have a good angle to run with.

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1033 on: August 02, 2012, 03:24:55 PM »

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After another trade:

Cleveland Derps:

Roster and projected rotations:

PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C  - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich

Yeah you've done great work over the past day and a half or so, Yok.  If you can find a solution to your PF situation i think you can argue your way into the playoffs.

Have you considered starting Melo at the 4? A lot of people on this board are high on him there.  If you can aquire a solid 3 to put next to him with your remaining assets i think you might have a good angle to run with.

I have not. My backup SF is Perry Jones III, potentially good but basically unproven. While Jason Smith is not a household name, a little basketball research will tell you he's not a bad option at the 4. He's not star material, but his production and energy is good to have. Plus, two 7 footers who can defend the interior.
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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1034 on: August 02, 2012, 04:01:08 PM »

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