2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"

[Who]

Utah Jazz

PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C:  Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)


Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (creative PG), Anthony Morrow (floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)

Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy

I dig it, your Deron, gallinari, randolph combo works well together.  I havent watched enough of Hayward to have a strong evaluation either way, but i understand hes pretty soli.

My only question is how do you think you matchup with teams that have some of the better scoring centers in the league?  Do you think Asik's lack of offensive prowess will hurt you?

Asik is a very strong defender / rebounder with terrific physical size / toughness. He is a very good defensive matchup against the top (interior) scoring centers in the league. I am very comfortable with Asik those matchups. I'll leave him to play one-on-one in the post against those guys. No double-teams.

Asik's lack of offensive ability ... yeah, I thought that was an important issue so I tried to find a way to counter-balance in other areas of my team.

That was one of the main reasons why (1) I was reluctant to start a limited offensive player [R.Brewer] on the wing and instead opted for two wings [Gallo, Hayward] with good offensive ability alongside Z-Bo and Deron Williams, and, (2) a skilled PF (Kirilenko) who could come in a play alongside Z-Bo and give the offense a boost where necessary.

I expect Kirilenko and Z-Randolph to be my big man duo that finishes games most of the time with Asik checking in when I need a defensive center. Or maybe Diaw if I want someone with more bulk than Kirilenko defensively while keeping an offensive threat there alongside Z-Randolph.

[jgod213]

Who,

I'm very curious to know - how will Kirlenko fit into this team as a sub after being THE guy in the Euro's last year?  How much do you anticipate sliding Randolph to the 5 and playing both Galinari and Kirlenko together - if at all?

[BigAlTheFuture]

Phoenix Suns
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udoh

Completely different bench, now. NO MORE FAT JOKES! NO MORE FAT JOKES!

[Who]

Who,

I'm very curious to know - how will Kirlenko fit into this team as a sub after being THE guy in the Euro's last year?  How much do you anticipate sliding Randolph to the 5 and playing both Galinari and Kirlenko together - if at all?

How much they play together will fluctuate but ideally:

C:  Asik (26-28mpg), Z.Randolph (20mpg)
PF: Z.Randolph (18mpg), Kirilenko (30mpg)

Something like that.

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I love Omer Asik and Andrei Kirilenko together. I think they will work wonderfully well and be a monster of a combination defensively. 

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Against bigger teams, Kirilenko's playing time at PF could decline either with a center (either Koufos or C.Andersen) coming in or with Diaw (a bigger body defensively at PF) where appropriate.

Say

C:  Asik (26-28mpg), K.Koufos (12mpg), Z.Randolph (10mpg)
PF: Z.Randolph (28mpg), Kirilenko (20mpg)
SF: Gallinari (33mpg), Kirilenko (10-15mpg)

Or

C:  Asik (26-28mpg), Z.Randolph (20mpg)
PF: Z.Randolph (18mpg), B.Diaw (20mpg), Kirilenko (10mpg)
SF: Gallinari (33mpg), Kirilenko (10-15mpg)

With Kirilenko likely dumping R.Brewer out of the picture (at SF) when Diaw plays.

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I like Gallinari and Kirilenko together. I think they'd work very well together. That is my favourite SF-PF partnership for Kirilenko. Firs choice combo.

After Gallo, it depends on matchups and whether Asik is on the floor. It could be a defensive guy like R.Brewer or I could slide Hayward over to SF with Stuckey or Morrow playing SG.

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I have no concerns about Kirilenko accepting a smaller role after being the main man in Europe. He has always been a team-orientated player and his style of play naturally helps him blend into the team makeup.

The role he would play would be similar (albeit in a reserve role) to the one he had in Utah prior to Boozer/Okur arriving + exactly the same as he 6th man role he had a few years ago while Boozer or Millsap was out injured where he was very effective. The role I wanted Utah to create for him full-time but chose not to do and instead kept him as a starting SF where he was less effective.   

[Lucky17]

Utah Jazz

PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C:  Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)


Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (dribble penetration scorer/playmaker PG), Anthony Morrow (high level jump-shooter and floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)

Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy

Extremely versatile lineup, lots of different combinations possible, as has been discussed.

Some minor questions:

1. Is Ronnie Brewer capable of guarding long 3s? Is Kirilenko still quick enough? That may be my only quibble with the SF rotation. Although Hayward could probably play the 3 as well, so it's probably not even a concern.

2. I always thought Bynum was more a scorer than a passer (despite the fact that he racked up 20 assists in a game for the Pistons in recent memory). Stuckey also strikes me as a scoring guard, rather than a playmaker. I guess I'd rather see a "pure point" somewhere in the PG rotation, but considering how many minutes Deron will play, again, it's a minor concern.

I don't know how this team stacks up against the other Western powers, or even within your division, but I have a hard time envisioning a team out West could be significantly better that yours. Excellent squad.

[WeMadeIt17]

Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!

WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov

Head Coach tom thibodeau


Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.

[Donoghus]

Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!

WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov

Head Coach tom thibodeau


Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.

Don't like the idea of a Westbrook/Brooks backcourt. Don't like the combination of the two. 

Marshon Brooks shouldn't be starting.

[WeMadeIt17]

Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!

WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov

Head Coach tom thibodeau


Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.

Don't like the idea of a Westbrook/Brooks backcourt. Don't like the combination of the two. 

Marshon Brooks shouldn't be starting.

Well that is the one of the choices we are having trouble making may start Corey Brewer at the 2 brings better defense.

[Lucky17]

Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!

WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov

Head Coach tom thibodeau


Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.

Love Kawhi Leonard.

So that's MarShon Brooks in the starting lineup? With Corey Brewer backing him up? I don't like either as a starter, although gun to head, I'd vote for Corey. If you could combine the two into a decent two-way SG who will knock down the occasional shot, can pass and defend, the starting lineup would look that much better.

Actually, I don't care much for anyone on that bench, although that's probably a function of having to create one late in the draft. Rivers and Augustin seem redundant. Davis could be fine as a bench scorer. I really don't know what to make of Mozgov. He'll need to play ~25 minutes a night. Can he?

Still some work to do. Getting better, but depth and SG play are still issues.

[WeMadeIt17]

Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!

WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov

Head Coach tom thibodeau


Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.

Love Kawhi Leonard.

So that's MarShon Brooks in the starting lineup? With Corey Brewer backing him up? I don't like either as a starter, although gun to head, I'd vote for Corey. If you could combine the two into a decent two-way SG who will knock down the occasional shot, can pass and defend, the starting lineup would look that much better.

Actually, I don't care much for anyone on that bench, although that's probably a function of having to create one late in the draft. Rivers and Augustin seem redundant. Davis could be fine as a bench scorer. I really don't know what to make of Mozgov. He'll need to play ~25 minutes a night. Can he?

Still some work to do. Getting better, but depth and SG play are still issues.

We feel mozgov can play some big minutes. He avg. 5ppg 4rpg in 15 mintues and a block we feel if he can add in 7 more minutes he can give us somewhere around 8 and 5 and a block

[WeMadeIt17]

Forgot Maggette can provide scoring punch of the bench.

[Edgar]

To be honest all players drafted and traded to by the co gms of Dallas send greatfull letters of thank you. And happiness. In that team you can feel the love.Banner No 2. Here we come

[Who]

Utah Jazz

PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C:  Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)


Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (dribble penetration scorer/playmaker PG), Anthony Morrow (high level jump-shooter and floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)

Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy

Extremely versatile lineup, lots of different combinations possible, as has been discussed.

Some minor questions:

1. Is Ronnie Brewer capable of guarding long 3s? Is Kirilenko still quick enough? That may be my only quibble with the SF rotation. Although Hayward could probably play the 3 as well, so it's probably not even a concern.

2. I always thought Bynum was more a scorer than a passer (despite the fact that he racked up 20 assists in a game for the Pistons in recent memory). Stuckey also strikes me as a scoring guard, rather than a playmaker. I guess I'd rather see a "pure point" somewhere in the PG rotation, but considering how many minutes Deron will play, again, it's a minor concern.

I don't know how this team stacks up against the other Western powers, or even within your division, but I have a hard time envisioning a team out West could be significantly better that yours. Excellent squad.

Yeah, I thought Ronnie Brewer did a great job in Chicago defensively at small forward. Both playing behind Luol Deng and as a starter when Deng missed some games. So I am happy with him against SFs. I think R.Brewer has really developed himself into an elite stopper on the wing.

As for Kirilenko, I don't consider him a stopper on the wing. More of a high level team defender who can play solid man-to-man defense. So R.Brewer would be first choice as a stopper and Kirilenko second choice.



The backup PG slot -- that was intentional. Deron Williams is a fantastic passer so I felt comfortable with a lesser passer behind him. Plus, I wanted a scoring PG who could both play behind and alongside Deron Williams as my primary backup (combo) guard. To get him more minutes and allow him to play a larger role. Rodney Stuckey filled that bill.

I felt another playmaking PG wouldn't have fit as well alongside Deron in the backcourt -- it would have forced Deron off the ball, or, the playmaking backup PG would ended up off the ball himself. In both scenarios, I thought there would have been a drop-off (diminishing returns). Needed a guy who offered something different to Deron Williams and Stuckey I think provides that. 



And I absolutely love Will Bynum as a ball-dominant third string PG who can come in and create for himself. He can change games with his explosive quickness and dribble penetration. Good pressure defender. A solid scorer and playmaker but a guy who is so ball-dominant that he struggles to let his teammates make plays (a bad quality for a regular rotation guy but something I can live with in a third string situational sub).

I think Will Bynum is probably the best third string PG in the NBA right now. Big fan.

Less enthusiastic about Will Bynum as a primary backup PG. His solo play can be quite irritating there. But it's a quality I enjoy in a third string PG ... since they only play infrequently and if you turn to one, you generally need someone who can step in immediately and make plays OR is a strong defender who won't hurt you too much offensively. Bynum is the first kind. Dooling the second kind. Those two players are my favourite type of third string PGs.

[Lucky17]

Bynum is indeed really fun to watch. His devotes full energy and effort when he's in. And any time a guy that small takes it hard to the rack and dunks, you have to love it.

[indeedproceed]

Forgot Maggette can provide scoring punch of the bench.

Maggette isn't your problem..scoring isn't your problem.

Westbrook: Only 2 pgs in the league end a possession in an assist less frequently (as opposed to shooting, or turning the ball over). Westbrook is a pretty bad passer for a point guard.
Marshon Brooks: terrible passer
Corey Maggette: terrible passer for a SF, Epically terrible passer for a basketball player, mostly cuz he doesn't do it.
Blake Griffin: An okay passer for a PF, still learning
Perkins: below average passer for a C, terrible for a basketball player

You've got no ball movement.