2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"

[Edgar]

No 6th rounders and 3 6th rounders and not considering green deffinetly weight on the ranks
but ty
IP

[indeedproceed]

No 6th rounders and 3 6th rounders and not considering green deffinetly weight on the ranks
but ty
IP

I dont think Jeff Green wouldve changed my ranking at all, but the other 6s very well might. Besides I really doubt your roster stays as is without one more big boy trade.

[ronaldo943]

looking to move pick 12.2 and 13.10 for a 6th-7th pick

[Edgar]

No 6th rounders and 3 6th rounders and not considering green deffinetly weight on the ranks
but ty
IP

I dont think Jeff Green wouldve changed my ranking at all, but the other 6s very well might. Besides I really doubt your roster stays as is without one more big boy trade.

I am not sure about your last statement amigo
and your doubt
but
considering your No.1 depth I have to put it in hold

[Celtic Fan Forever]

looking to move pick 12.2 and 13.10 for a 6th-7th pick

good luck with that

[GreenFaith1819]

The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?

Personally I hate that kind of rational. "Someone doesn't like my players, must be because of a personal thing."

Come on. Did you see Boozer's playoffs? 42% shooting (terrible) 4 turnovers (terrible), his defense was terrible, Taj Gibson outplayed him!

The regular season? Worst since his rookie year. He's gotten worse by small steps since 2008.

Now, if you think people rated him differently last year, fine. That's likely because he was a year younger, and it was his first season in Chicago, and he didn't play for the first 20 games of it at that. There is usually an acclimation period.

But Boozer was healthy all year, and still posted a near career low in rebound rate (his lowest in 7 years at that), and was even pulled at the end of some games for his defense.

I don't mean to come off as mean or anything here, but the notion that, "I guess people don't like my guys, probably cuz they don't like me as much as other guys" is garbage, and its against the game in the first class.

If we indulge in that, eventually every time people disagree, they're say it was because of some personal crap instead of the fact that maybe people think different things about players.

First underlined part - it's never personal. Just defending my players.

for instance, your power rankings has a team with Chauncey as your number 1 team - but he shot 36% last year. He shot well from deep, but again - didn't see any criticism of him. Plus, he's coming off of a major injury - and he's a bit older.

As for Boozer - tell that criticism to the 5 or 6 posters here who have inquired about his services. Plus, he still defends nearly every big here rather well.

And for your comment about what is against the game - it is also against the game rules to skip players - like what was done to me in the 2nd round.

But no one, except for one poster, even mentioned it.

[wdleehi]

The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?

Personally I hate that kind of rational. "Someone doesn't like my players, must be because of a personal thing."

Come on. Did you see Boozer's playoffs? 42% shooting (terrible) 4 turnovers (terrible), his defense was terrible, Taj Gibson outplayed him!

The regular season? Worst since his rookie year. He's gotten worse by small steps since 2008.

Now, if you think people rated him differently last year, fine. That's likely because he was a year younger, and it was his first season in Chicago, and he didn't play for the first 20 games of it at that. There is usually an acclimation period.

But Boozer was healthy all year, and still posted a near career low in rebound rate (his lowest in 7 years at that), and was even pulled at the end of some games for his defense.

I don't mean to come off as mean or anything here, but the notion that, "I guess people don't like my guys, probably cuz they don't like me as much as other guys" is garbage, and its against the game in the first class.

If we indulge in that, eventually every time people disagree, they're say it was because of some personal crap instead of the fact that maybe people think different things about players.

First underlined part - it's never personal. Just defending my players.

for instance, your power rankings has a team with Chauncey as your number 1 team - but he shot 36% last year. He shot well from deep, but again - didn't see any criticism of him. Plus, he's coming off of a major injury - and he's a bit older.

As for Boozer - tell that criticism to the 5 or 6 posters here who have inquired about his services. Plus, he still defends nearly every big here rather well.

And for your comment about what is against the game - it is also against the game rules to skip players - like what was done to me in the 2nd round.

But no one, except for one poster, even mentioned it.

It was not against the rules to skip players.


That's why there is time.


The rule is at the end of the round, the commish would pick the BPA and put that GM's team up for a new GM. 

[KCattheStripe]

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[indeedproceed]

Well the skipping in the second round is a new rule, one I wasn't even really trying to enforce. If you had or have an issue or complaint about that, it's for wdleehi to address, but I'm sorry if you felt slighted. I hadn't really even noticed it happened. If my understanding is correct, he would have taken whoever he thought was BPA for you when your time was up.

As far as the personal thing, that's pretty much what your comment said to me. If I misunderstood it, I apologize, but thats the conclusion I got from 'I guess it matters who has him, right?'

As far as Billups, the first thing I said about the team was a criticism of Billups. I called him a defensive liability, but I do think having the best help defender in basketball as a backstop mitigates that quite a bit. Ask Tony Parker.

As far as Boozer, I think you're overrating him quite a bit. But if anyone wants to refute that, with evidence against what I detailed, I'd be happy to listen. To my eyes he had his worst year as a full time starter, following up on another year that was a step down from his time in Utah.

And as far as 'going against the game', I mean the spirit of the thing. The idea here is that it's not a popularity contest, it's a measure of drafting ability, and ability to frame your team in argument, and defend against others teams arguments. And I think the results panthat out, because the last two champs have been StartOrien and Mgent. I should know, they both beat me in the Finals.

Edit: ah I see I was wrong anyways. It was an end of round selection of BPA.

[Roy H.]

The idea here is that it's not a popularity contest, it's a measure of drafting ability, and ability to frame your team in argument, and defend against others teams arguments. And I think the results pan that out, because the last two champs have been StartOrien and Mgent. I should know, they both beat me in the Finals.

That's a whole different can of worms, but I do think that popularity plays into this somewhat.  I think that has more to do with the final voting, though, rather than somebody's opinion of Carlos Boozer.

But are certain members harsher / more critical / less likely to vote for certain GMs than others?  Of course.  That sucks, and it's petty, but it's human nature and is probably unavoidable.  However, just because this will inevitably happen to some extent doesn't mean that somebody should chalk all criticism up to bias.  While some will argue a pretext to validate their biased vote, the majority of voters are still giving their candid opinions.  But yeah, there's nothing objective about the voting at all.

And thus, why the Pick 2 draft is my favorite of the three NBA drafts.

[GreenFaith1819]

Look, at the end of the day I'm having fun. I have my thoughts on things, but I'll leave it at that.

I'll just tell the posters here inquiring about Boozer to steer clear of him - maybe I can pull off an "Auerbachian" trade or something.

Until then, I still believe that he's being overlooked, and that statistics don't always tell the story, here.

Perhaps Booz's FG% was bad because his starting PG missed most of the season, and CJ Watson was just not a great distributor (which he wasn't). In this Fantasy league, though, you'd have to assume the better for someone like Booz, because he'd have BOTH Conley AND KG giving him looks and both are excellent distributors.

I strongly considered drafting _____  _______, but chose not to. I thought Booz was a better player than him. Fill in the blanks - I think the player is still available, which is telling.

[GreenFaith1819]

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Could you please tell me what this means? I see this post come up from time to time, and I am still clueless as to its exact meaning.

I still don't do internet humor well.

[indeedproceed]

The Internet is serious business thing is basically meant as a 'chill out' to all parties, poking fun at the seriousness with which they're taking an ultimately trivial thing.

[nickagneta]

Back on topic

Love those Boxers.

Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good.
Marcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.

[Rondo2287]

Back on topic

Love those Boxers.

Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good.
Marcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.

I really like it but I think you could use some floor spacing