Regarding the Jeff Green Contract....

[CelticSince83]

Pierce's contract is not being amnestied for 100 different reasons.

If on the other hand KG shut it down after this season and Jeff Green was being outplayed by Sullinger and they decided to rebuild or wanted cap space to sign someone else who became available, Jeff Green would easily be an amnesty candidate.

I don't know why he wouldn't be considered an amnesty candidate if he didn't play up to the standards of his contract.

[nostar]

Not sure how there are like 30 posts and no one mentioned 2 major points regarding this contract....

1. no one knows the guaranteed portion of this contract yet and what clauses the Celtics have included to mitigate against the risk of another heart ailment

2. the Celtics have yet to use their amnesty provision provided under the new CBA

The Celtics will not be using the amnesty.  The only possible candidate would be Pierce.  Not only would Wyc probably never do that, it would be of no benefit.

There would be some benefit after this season. If both chris paul and dwight howard are serious about free agency then it stands to reason we could clear 17M in cap room to accommodate them.

Oh yeah and that bynum guy too.

Having Green step in as the starting SF and adding a top 10 player would probably be worth the PR blow of amnesting Pierce. I'm also pretty sure if Ainge put it to him Pierce would retire instead of getting amnestied.

Pierce's contract is not being amnestied for 100 different reasons.

List?

[CelticSince83]

I don't think we could get a max player next off-season even if Pierce was amnestied.  You would still have Bass at 6, Green at 10, Rondo at 12, KG at 11, Lee at 6, and Bradley, J Sully, Melo adding another 5-6 mil or so.  That's 50 give or take right there. 

I think the only way you add a max player next summer would be trade Pierce (and take less back) and amnesty Jeff Green.  And even that would be a crunch.

[CelticSince83]

In regards to you asking me why Pierce would never be amnestied, perhaps 100 was an overstatement, but here is the most important 1..... after this season he will only have 1 year left on his deal.  At that point he would become extremely easy to move if you wanted to part ways.  Plus, there is no way management is going to take a PR hit over paying him for 1 more season.

[Galeto]

It basically comes down to this; fans think Jeff got too much money. But what do we know? Celtics management and ownership felt the contract was right for them. What makes us qualified to disagree?

It's not just fans.  Bulpett said many executives were astonished at the money Green got.  His agent countered by saying Green's market value was around 13 million a year.  His agent is nuts.  

Green has never played at a level in which he was worth 9 million a season so this is a gamble that he'll improve and be worth his contract or more. His teams have always been better with him on the bench than on the floor.    

My concern with Green isn't his contract because the Celtics aren't going to have much cap flexibility the next two years anyway but that they'll give big rotation minutes to a guy who just isn't all that good.  He's worst as an undersized PF and unfortunately Doc loves going small.

[Interceptor]

I think the only way you add a max player next summer would be trade Pierce (and take less back) and amnesty Jeff Green.  And even that would be a crunch.

Can't amnesty Green. Not continuously on roster with the same contract dating back to July 2011.

For the Celtics, it's basically insurance against Pierce or Rondo getting some kind of horrific career-ending injury.

[KGs Knee]

Jeff Green CAN NOT be amnestied.  Only players signed during the previous CBA can.

Also, once Jeff Green's contract becomes official, there is almost no way we can get under the soft cap just by amnestying (I don't think this is actually a word-ugh!) Pierce.

Using the amnesty clause on Pierce serves no benefit.

[Interceptor]

amnestying (I don't think this is actually a word-ugh!)

I like to refer to it as "amnesthize".

[KGs Knee]

amnestying (I don't think this is actually a word-ugh!)

I like to refer to it as "amnesthize".

LOL!

I'll give a TP for that

[CelticSince83]

Well, I guess my entire point is moot now since you are def right about the amnesty provision.  I am an idiot.

[Brendan]

Can teams amnesty someone signed post CBA? never knew that.

I'd personally trade Green in a heart beat if it meant making the team better.

e.g. Bass, Green, AB for elite SF and better backup C

KG, Wilcox, SF, Lee, Rondo

+ New Center, Sully (I'm assuming he's gonna be good), Pierce (assuming he agrees to come off bench), and JET off the bench.

Just would be a much better team, I don't think anyone (player or agent) could be mad.

[RJ87]

It basically comes down to this; fans think Jeff got too much money. But what do we know? Celtics management and ownership felt the contract was right for them. What makes us qualified to disagree?

It's not just fans.  Bulpett said many executives were astonished at the money Green got.  His agent countered by saying Green's market value was around 13 million a year.  His agent is nuts.  

Green has never played at a level in which he was worth 9 million a season so this is a gamble that he'll improve and be worth his contract or more. His teams have always been better with him on the bench than on the floor.    

My concern with Green isn't his contract because the Celtics aren't going to have much cap flexibility the next two years anyway but that they'll give big rotation minutes to a guy who just isn't all that good.  He's worst as an undersized PF and unfortunately Doc loves going small.

The issue with Jeff's stats is that he spent the first 4 yrs of his career playing out of position. When he got spot mins at the 3 in OKC, he just looked more comfortable and natural. With Durant on that roster though, Jeff was never going to get to develop his game as a 3. I wonder how much playing in OKC halted his development.

With that said, Jeff is a pretty good player. He can score in a multitude of ways (his post game is really underrated and underappreciated), he has a lot of raw defensive ability that can be refined and developed, and he's a hardworker. The one aspect of his game that I'd deem "not that good" is his rebounding.

Overall, he's still young enough to improve.

[KGs Knee]

It basically comes down to this; fans think Jeff got too much money. But what do we know? Celtics management and ownership felt the contract was right for them. What makes us qualified to disagree?

It's not just fans.  Bulpett said many executives were astonished at the money Green got.  His agent countered by saying Green's market value was around 13 million a year.  His agent is nuts.  

Green has never played at a level in which he was worth 9 million a season so this is a gamble that he'll improve and be worth his contract or more. His teams have always been better with him on the bench than on the floor.    

My concern with Green isn't his contract because the Celtics aren't going to have much cap flexibility the next two years anyway but that they'll give big rotation minutes to a guy who just isn't all that good.  He's worst as an undersized PF and unfortunately Doc loves going small.

The issue with Jeff's stats is that he spent the first 4 yrs of his career playing out of position. When he got spot mins at the 3 in OKC, he just looked more comfortable and natural. With Durant on that roster though, Jeff was never going to get to develop his game as a 3. I wonder how much playing in OKC halted his development.

With that said, Jeff is a pretty good player. He can score in a multitude of ways (his post game is really underrated and underappreciated), he has a lot of raw defensive ability that can be refined and developed, and he's a hardworker. The one aspect of his game that I'd deem "not that good" is his rebounding.

Overall, he's still young enough to improve.

I'm no big fan of Green's, but I could definitely buy that playing next to Durant prevented him from ever truly developing his game as a SF.

The thing is, is anything really going to change playing behind Pierce?  We don't have enough minutes available for him to play exclusively at SF.

[Galeto]

The issue with Jeff's stats is that he spent the first 4 yrs of his career playing out of position. When he got spot mins at the 3 in OKC, he just looked more comfortable and natural. With Durant on that roster though, Jeff was never going to get to develop his game as a 3. I wonder how much playing in OKC halted his development.

Playing out position to his benefit.  Look at Shawn Marion or Carmelo, who are better as undersized 4s than 3s.  Green enjoyed significant advantages at PF with regard to his athleticism and the ability of his defender to challenge his shot on the perimeter.  He loses those advantages at SF.  The wing position is home to the best individual defenders and freak athletes in the NBA.  Green is pretty good in the post but dribble drives, getting open perimeter shots and getting open in transition is a lot harder at SF than PF.

My overall point is, I've seen Green play a ton and he basically played like a SF while technically being a PF on paper.  He drove, he took mid-range jumpers, he spotted up in the corners and he ran in transition. It is much harder to do all those things against actual perimeter defenders so it's a little concerning that he wasn't all that effective offensively against PFs who shouldn't have been able to defend him if he were a good offensive threat.

[European NBA fan]

Can teams amnesty someone signed post CBA? never knew that.

I'd personally trade Green in a heart beat if it meant making the team better.

e.g. Bass, Green, AB for elite SF and better backup C

KG, Wilcox, SF, Lee, Rondo

+ New Center, Sully (I'm assuming he's gonna be good), Pierce (assuming he agrees to come off bench), and JET off the bench.

Just would be a much better team, I don't think anyone (player or agent) could be mad.

Who would that elite SF be? I don't see anyone out there, who we definitely know is better than Green other than Durant, Melo and LeBron, and they aren't going anywhere. After those three we are talking about Danny Granger, Igoudala (and Paul Pierce), and I don't want to trade Green for either.