Regarding the Jeff Green Contract....

[saltlover]

I believe he is overpayed, but I am over it.




Looking at the roster, if players turn out how we hope, I see Ainge in a position to make a big splash trade midseason.   Green's contract, age and potential makes him a good building block to a trade.

There will not be a big splash mid-season.  It is very poor form to sign someone to a four-year deal and trade halfway into season 1.  Falk, whether or not he is blustering about what Jeff Green left on the table, is a powerful agent who you don't tick off like that.  DA will never see another Falk client again should Green be traded so quickly.  Same goes with Lee, Bass, and Jet.

Also, we have virtually no wiggle room for the hard cap this year, so if you're trading Green, you need to find someone better for the Celtics who's being paid approximately $9 million this season, not the $11.35 million Green's contract can technically take back.

Next offseason, or the following mid-season, things may be different.  The C's should have more room under the hard cap, and the players will be further removed from signing their deals.  But if things work out how they're supposed to, the Celtics will have a very deep roster that propels them to a championship, not that acquires them different players through trade.

[cman88]

well, I hate to drag this thread up..

but andrei Kirilenko just inked a deal worth $10million a year

Batum - $12million
Gerald wallace - $10million


suddenly, can we really say that Danny overpaid for Green giving him $9million? it seems like the going rate for solid SF's who can average double digits is around 10million$$

[celtsfan84]

well, I hate to drag this thread up..

but andrei Kirilenko just inked a deal worth $10million a year

Batum - $12million
Gerald wallace - $10million


suddenly, can we really say that Danny overpaid for Green giving him $9million? it seems like the going rate for solid SF's who can average double digits is around 10million$$

Value is typically situational however.

Nicolas Batum was a restricted free agent.  Two things happen with restricted free agents.  Either 1) they are ignored or 2) they are given ridiculous contracts to prevent the other team from matching.

Andrei Kirilenko's contract is only for two years.  If he underperforms it, Minnesota only has him for his expiring year in addition.  If Jeff Green underperforms, the Celtics are stuck with him for three more years.

Gerald Wallace was a ridiculous overpay out of desperation.  Billy King traded a lottery pick for him (#6 overall), basically forcing him to overpay Wallace or give up a lottery pick for nothing.  Also, this is the same team that gave Brook Lopez a max contract, gave Kris Humphries $12 million a year, and took the Joe Johnson contract.  The franchise with the billionaire Russian owner desperate to make a splash on his move to Brooklyn.

Each situation is very different from the last.  Also, I don't know if we should be looking to contracts structured by David Kahn and Billy King as examples for solid roster building.

To me, Danny was in a tough spot, having to either overpay or let Jeff Green leave for nothing.  He chose overpay.

[wdleehi]

well, I hate to drag this thread up..

but andrei Kirilenko just inked a deal worth $10million a year

Batum - $12million
Gerald wallace - $10million


suddenly, can we really say that Danny overpaid for Green giving him $9million? it seems like the going rate for solid SF's who can average double digits is around 10million$$

So we should compare what Ainge does to the contracts Kahn offers? 

[cman88]

either way, what is considered under-performing for green? the guy still can average double digits in scoring...and is only 26..

I would think the c's would have no problem moving him if the situation arises...a 26Y/o SF/PF who can average 13ppg

[wdleehi]

either way, what is considered under-performing for green? the guy still can average double digits in scoring...and is only 26..

I would think the c's would have no problem moving him if the situation arises...a 26Y/o SF/PF who can average 13ppg

He could average that if he was starting and playing 35+ minutes. 


Except Pierce is the starting SF. 

[bfrombleacher]

either way, what is considered under-performing for green? the guy still can average double digits in scoring...and is only 26..

I would think the c's would have no problem moving him if the situation arises...a 26Y/o SF/PF who can average 13ppg

He could average that if he was starting and playing 35+ minutes. 


Except Pierce is the starting SF. 

Starting doesn't mean more minutes.

[cman88]

honestly I expect Green to be playing starters calibar minutes next year either backing up Pierce or playing time at the 4 in small ball units to close games.

I also expect green to be much more efficient in scoring playing with Rondo...while he didnt have the best year with us in 10-11 season, he did post career highs in fg%

[Redz]

I'm thinking Jeff Green will get as many minutes as he can handle this season.  If he's playing well he should get big minutes. If not, then he's still going to be carrying 20-25 minutes anyhow because they need him to.

[Celtics18]

Bargain.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

If I was a NBA player right now, I'd fire my agent and hire this guy.

[j804]

What is up with the contract NOT being finalized yet?

Anybody feel this is something more than just minor?

[RJ87]

I believe he is overpayed, but I am over it.




Looking at the roster, if players turn out how we hope, I see Ainge in a position to make a big splash trade midseason.   Green's contract, age and potential makes him a good building block to a trade.

No way that happens. After everything with Jeff, trading midseason would be business suicide. First off, we'd p--- off his agent (who also reps Sully). Second, it would make us even less attractive to future free agents. "Sign with Boston and Danny will trade you 3 months later."

A lot people think Jeff is overpaid. Possibly. But do I think there were other teams who were offering more? Absolutely. Minny, Phoenix, Toronto, and New Orleans jump to mind right away. Jeff very well could have left money on the table because he wanted to be here so badly.

It basically comes down to this; fans think Jeff got too much money. But what do we know? Celtics management and ownership felt the contract was right for them. What makes us qualified to disagree?

[CelticSince83]

Not sure how there are like 30 posts and no one mentioned 2 major points regarding this contract....

1. no one knows the guaranteed portion of this contract yet and what clauses the Celtics have included to mitigate against the risk of another heart ailment

2. the Celtics have yet to use their amnesty provision provided under the new CBA

[KGs Knee]

Not sure how there are like 30 posts and no one mentioned 2 major points regarding this contract....

1. no one knows the guaranteed portion of this contract yet and what clauses the Celtics have included to mitigate against the risk of another heart ailment

2. the Celtics have yet to use their amnesty provision provided under the new CBA

The Celtics will not be using the amnesty.  The only possible candidate would be Pierce.  Not only would Wyc probably never do that, it would be of no benefit.