Dooling is not coming back, so stop mentioning him

[Roy H.]

Agree, Dooling (along with Pietrus) will likely be around for a while, and KD will only get the minimum.   I think the brass is just waiting for all the other pieces to fall into place....we're getting close now.

I wouldn't mind him back, though wish he shot better.  I do wonder if we are considering yet another episode with Delonte....

If anything he could be useful in a sign and trade.  Don't we have his Bird rights?  Wasn't he around $4 mil last year?  Maybe we could pick up a $5 mil guy.

We're stuck under a $74.3 million hard cap, and have used roughly $71 million in salary.  We have a bit over $3 million left (depending on how contracts signed this off-season are structured), so we're most likely looking at a minimum contract and maybe a BAE guy.

[the_Bird]

Agree, Dooling (along with Pietrus) will likely be around for a while, and KD will only get the minimum.   I think the brass is just waiting for all the other pieces to fall into place....we're getting close now.

I wouldn't mind him back, though wish he shot better.  I do wonder if we are considering yet another episode with Delonte....

If anything he could be useful in a sign and trade.  Don't we have his Bird rights?  Wasn't he around $4 mil last year?  Maybe we could pick up a $5 mil guy.

We're stuck under a $74.3 million hard cap, and have used roughly $71 million in salary.  We have a bit over $3 million left (depending on how contracts signed this off-season are structured), so we're most likely looking at a minimum contract and maybe a BAE guy.

Here's a question.  Collins' contract is partially paid for by the league, as I understand it.  The C's pay around $850k, the league pays the $500k balance.  Does the full $1.35 count toward the cap/hard cap, or just the portion that the C's are paying out?

Most likely scenario in my mind is Joseph and Christmas with their minimum rookie-scale deals, and Dooling at the vet min.  But, would that leave us enough room to offer a pro-rata share of the BAE to someone mid-season?

[Roy H.]

Agree, Dooling (along with Pietrus) will likely be around for a while, and KD will only get the minimum.   I think the brass is just waiting for all the other pieces to fall into place....we're getting close now.

I wouldn't mind him back, though wish he shot better.  I do wonder if we are considering yet another episode with Delonte....

If anything he could be useful in a sign and trade.  Don't we have his Bird rights?  Wasn't he around $4 mil last year?  Maybe we could pick up a $5 mil guy.

We're stuck under a $74.3 million hard cap, and have used roughly $71 million in salary.  We have a bit over $3 million left (depending on how contracts signed this off-season are structured), so we're most likely looking at a minimum contract and maybe a BAE guy.

Here's a question.  Collins' contract is partially paid for by the league, as I understand it.  The C's pay around $850k, the league pays the $500k balance.  Does the full $1.35 count toward the cap/hard cap, or just the portion that the C's are paying out?

Most likely scenario in my mind is Joseph and Christmas with their minimum rookie-scale deals, and Dooling at the vet min.  But, would that leave us enough room to offer a pro-rata share of the BAE to someone mid-season?

As I understand it (and I haven't read the actual CBA yet), only the non-subsidized amount (i.e., $854k) counts against team salary, the luxury tax, and the apron.

The $71 million I mentioned includes Joseph's contract (charged at $854k, even though he's signed for less).  Under that scenario, there *should* be enough for a minimum deal and a BAE deal.  However, I'm not sure that we'd have enough for two minimum deals (cutting one later), and a BAE.  It's going to be very tight.  I suspect we could do it, but that's just because I trust Danny is going to use the cap in the most advantageous way.

[lightspeed5]

Agree, Dooling (along with Pietrus) will likely be around for a while, and KD will only get the minimum.   I think the brass is just waiting for all the other pieces to fall into place....we're getting close now.

I wouldn't mind him back, though wish he shot better.  I do wonder if we are considering yet another episode with Delonte....

If anything he could be useful in a sign and trade.  Don't we have his Bird rights?  Wasn't he around $4 mil last year?  Maybe we could pick up a $5 mil guy.

We're stuck under a $74.3 million hard cap, and have used roughly $71 million in salary.  We have a bit over $3 million left (depending on how contracts signed this off-season are structured), so we're most likely looking at a minimum contract and maybe a BAE guy.

Here's a question.  Collins' contract is partially paid for by the league, as I understand it.  The C's pay around $850k, the league pays the $500k balance.  Does the full $1.35 count toward the cap/hard cap, or just the portion that the C's are paying out?

Most likely scenario in my mind is Joseph and Christmas with their minimum rookie-scale deals, and Dooling at the vet min.  But, would that leave us enough room to offer a pro-rata share of the BAE to someone mid-season?

As I understand it (and I haven't read the actual CBA yet), only the non-subsidized amount (i.e., $854k) counts against team salary, the luxury tax, and the apron.

The $71 million I mentioned includes Joseph's contract (charged at $854 million, even though he's signed for less).  Under that scenario, there *should* be enough for a minimum deal and a BAE deal.  However, I'm not sure that we'd have enough for two minimum deals (cutting one later), and a BAE.  It's going to be very tight.  I suspect we could do it, but that's just because I trust Danny is going to use the cap in the most advantageous way.

$854 million? hope joseph is a good player

[the_Bird]

EDIT: I'm a dumbass....

[Jon]

What brought this on from the OP?  This doesn't make much sense. 

In fact, as has already been reported here, the Celtics denied Fab Melo #51, Dooling's number last year.  If he clearly wasn't coming back, they would've let Melo have it. 

It makes a ton of sense for him to come back here.  He can play the 1 or 2, plays great defense, is a great locker room presence, and has been through the ups and downs of inconsistent playing time.

That last fact shouldn't be overlooked.  While people might argue that Christmas is better than Dooling, how will Christmas respond to bouncing back and forth between street clothes and only sniffing garbage time minutes?  And then if someone does go down or get in foul trouble, can he step in for one game or 5 minutes and be a role player?  Clearly he's proven that he can do well in the summer league when he's allowed to be "the man."   But how will he respond when Doc parks him in the weakside corner and makes him a spot shooter waiting for kickout from KG, PP, or Rondo? 

[Prof. Clutch]

Dooling was one of the leaders in the locker room last season according to multiple accounts and is currently the Vice President for the NBA Players Association.  He's respected around the league and is a good influence on the culture here so I wouldn't be surprised if Danny brought him back with one of the last roster spots.

[pearljammer10]

Dooling wasn't a priority, but that doesn't mean he won't return.  As was mentioned, they may have held off on him a bit in case they needed him in a S&T, but since we seem to be set in that regard now I wouldn't be surprised to see him come back.  He wasn't great for most of the season, but he'd be coming back to provide depth and some mentorship to Rondo (he seems like one of the only guys Rondo listens to). 

Most of the backup PG duties will be handled by JET and AB, but we could still use someone else on the bench (especially with Moore gone), and we don't have much money left to spend.

But, the fact that he hasn't re-signed yet, it's still only mid-July.  I wouldn't over-interpret that. 

this is huge and a great great point. tp for that.

i hope dooling comes back. i agree with others here. Great locker room guy, great mentor, great leadership, can step it up in the playoffs, and he actually tries on defense! Which is crazy for an nba player. But he is a perfect role/bench guy. If he gets ten minutes in a game, you know he is going all out during those ten minutes.

[MJohnnyboy]

I'm pretty sure Danny had bigger fish to fry first than Dooling. You know, like drafting guys who will likely play bigger roles on the team with time (Sullinger, Melo, Joseph), bringing back our core (KG, Bass, Green, Wilcox), and adding role players who will most definitely help the team now (Terry, Lee, Collins). I think adding all of those guys to our roster was a little more important than re-signing a back-up point guard.

And Dooling more likely than not is coming back. He is one of the best locker room presences in the league and he loves being a Celtic. His tenacious defense is something this team loves and he feels a connection with these guys. I would honestly be very surprised if he isn't brought back.

Now Mickael Pietrus on the other hand, that might be someone who probably won't come back, even if we still do have the BAE.

[colincb]

Agree, Dooling (along with Pietrus) will likely be around for a while, and KD will only get the minimum.   I think the brass is just waiting for all the other pieces to fall into place....we're getting close now.

I wouldn't mind him back, though wish he shot better.  I do wonder if we are considering yet another episode with Delonte....

If anything he could be useful in a sign and trade.  Don't we have his Bird rights?  Wasn't he around $4 mil last year?  Maybe we could pick up a $5 mil guy.

We're stuck under a $74.3 million hard cap, and have used roughly $71 million in salary.  We have a bit over $3 million left (depending on how contracts signed this off-season are structured), so we're most likely looking at a minimum contract and maybe a BAE guy.

Here's a question.  Collins' contract is partially paid for by the league, as I understand it.  The C's pay around $850k, the league pays the $500k balance.  Does the full $1.35 count toward the cap/hard cap, or just the portion that the C's are paying out?

Most likely scenario in my mind is Joseph and Christmas with their minimum rookie-scale deals, and Dooling at the vet min.  But, would that leave us enough room to offer a pro-rata share of the BAE to someone mid-season?

As I understand it (and I haven't read the actual CBA yet), only the non-subsidized amount (i.e., $854k) counts against team salary, the luxury tax, and the apron.

The $71 million I mentioned includes Joseph's contract (charged at $854k, even though he's signed for less).  Under that scenario, there *should* be enough for a minimum deal and a BAE deal.  However, I'm not sure that we'd have enough for two minimum deals (cutting one later), and a BAE.  It's going to be very tight.  I suspect we could do it, but that's just because I trust Danny is going to use the cap in the most advantageous way.

This is correct per Larry Coon's CBA FAQ (Question 16):

"When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. For example, in 2011-12 the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is $854,389, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $1,352,181, the league would reimburse the team $497,792. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans. "

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

[Tgro]

Dooling = 2012/13's Fan Favorite, Loveable, Lunchbox, Underdog type. (Do we have a Scalabrine award/roll)? If not, we need to.  Steamboat may have been last year's winner. Dooling would be one of the biggest favorites this year easily.

[snowball]

is Marquis totally out of the mix ?

[MJohnnyboy]

is Marquis totally out of the mix ?

I'll be honest. I really think Quisy is a more realistic option than Peaches. mainly because Peaches is too good to be insurance. marquis however, can fit snugly into the role of being a failsafe.

[TA9]

is Marquis totally out of the mix ?

I think that the C´s would rather sign Christmas or Joseph (Maybe both) than bringing Marquis back.
Quis sure did have some good games here, but he just wasnt consistent enough. I personally dont want him back.

[MJohnnyboy]

is Marquis totally out of the mix ?

I think that the C´s would rather sign Christmas or Joseph (Maybe both) than bringing Marquis back.
Quis sure did have some good games here, but he just wasnt consistent enough. I personally dont want him back.

The Celtics did sign Joseph, but Christmas has yet to produce at the NBA level. I'd rather take the safe bet.