Trade deadline: It is imperative we go after Josh Smith!

[heitingas]

I think we have the assets now to get Smith.

He has changed his opinion about the Hawks FO, but I think when Howard is traded he's going to ask for a trade. There's nobody (top FA) next year (CP3) that would go to Atlanta even if they got capspace.

Barring some unexpected trade that got them Iguodala without giving up Horford or Teague (salary dump by Sixers) hes going to be lonely there.

Let's assume Green got a trade kicker, 15% with his 8-9 million, together with Pietrus if re-signed and the BAE signing, picks we can get Smith. But I think we must stay under the apron.

Green 9 mil (if he plays good he Will be tradable,I prefer Smith)
Bass 7 mil (if sully plays good Bass is trade chip)
Terry 5 mil ( he is not going to get traded, our 6th man)
Lee 5 mil (could be chip)
Avery 1.6 mil (if he doesnt return soon,could be traded, if Lee plays good)
Melo 1.25 mil (if hes a big project,could be moved)
Sully 1.3 mil (his future is probably Boston)

Pietrus,some big with biannual (Blatche,Birdman) or Stiemsma. We have many assets.

[action781]

If Atlanta doesn't think they can resign him, sure I don't see why it would take much to get Smith?  That's the big issue.  If so, I don't see why Bass, Sullinger, and Lee couldn't get it done unless they really think the cap space would allow for a FA signing like Dwight or CP (which I also find unlikely).

[Sketch5]

Bass would be the guy to move, not Green. We have a good mount of PF's right now with KG,Bass,Wilcox,Sully, so you would add an other one to that mix and have PP play 38 minutes and Joseph 10? Lee can't play SF, just not big enough.

Not only that it may be a bad move for the team in a FA stand point. Why would you want to sign here if you're going to get traded 6 months later.

[Moranis]

Smith

for

Bass, Sullinger, Bradley or 2013 1st and 2nd (wolves)


I think that is a pretty solid trade for both teams and I'd take the risk on Smith as he and Rondo are friends so I imagine he would likely re-up.

And yeah that might seem like a lot, but if the Hawks make it known Smith is available they are going to have plenty of options as Smith is still pretty young and is very good.

[beshtija]

No need for Smith! It's crazy to give Bass, Sullinger, Bradley and/or picks! Maybe Bass + 1st rounder...

[Yoki_IsTheName]

We have Sullinger and Green and Bass who can be our PF's. All three of them makes at least the same if not a little more than what Smith does. Why do we need Smith when we can have very deep depth in our PF spot with the same amount of money and maybe the same production?

No.

[MJohnnyboy]

How bout let's wait until the season comes along before we think about acquiring a fringe all star at best who is known to make dumb decisions time and time again, who has an inconsistent jumpshot, who has had his issues with coaches.

Yall are thinking Josh Smith is worth Avery Bradley, one of the best perimeter defenders in the league at 21 whose full potential hasn't even been fully realized yet, who overall would work better with Rondo than Smith would considering not only is he one of the best defensively at his position, can run the floor, and can cut to the basket, but also has a promising offensive game that was coming together before his shoulder injuries came. Even at 21, Bradley has a better offensive game than Smith considering he can hit threes and has a better-looking shot.

The league is being taken over by quick and athletic guards, not forwards. Bradley is a rare commodity that this team needs. Courtney Lee is a fine perimeter defender, but Bradley is one of the best.

As for Bass, I know Smith is an overall better player than Bass, but the difference is Bass is smart enough to know what his limitations are. He hardly ever tries to do more than he should, and that's something Smith doesn't bring. I've seen Smith time and time again try to do more than he should like post-up and shoot threes, and those are two areas he is not good at doing. Bass fits more into the scheme (Hence why we won the Baby for Bass deal), and has a consistent jumpshot to go with it.

The five of Rondo-Bradley-Pierce-Bass-KG was the best defensive five in the league and one of the best ever. We don't need to re-tool a good thing.

Overall, if it aint broke don't fix it.

[snively]

We have Sullinger and Green and Bass who can be our PF's. All three of them makes at least the same if not a little more than what Smith does. Why do we need Smith when we can have very deep depth in our PF spot with the same amount of money and maybe the same production?

No.

Because Smith is better than all of them by a significant margin and quality over quantity counts when you can only play one PF at a time. 

Pulling off a trade for Smith would be difficult with the $74 mil hard cap though.

It would have to be something like Green, Lee and Sullinger to make the dollars close.

If we resign Pietrus, I'd be pretty happy with the following rotation:

Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Pietrus
Smith/Bass
KG/Wilcox

[MJohnnyboy]

Seriously people. Why are we proposing trades when we look deeper than we've ever been before? We are fine where we are!

[Fafnir]

Seriously people. Why are we proposing trades when we look deeper than we've ever been before? We are fine where we are!

Your best players, aka starters, are far more important than your depth.

Besides having a high minute, high level PF, eliminates much of the need for so much "depth".

[Yoki_IsTheName]

We have Sullinger and Green and Bass who can be our PF's. All three of them makes at least the same if not a little more than what Smith does. Why do we need Smith when we can have very deep depth in our PF spot with the same amount of money and maybe the same production?

No.

Because Smith is better than all of them by a significant margin and quality over quantity counts when you can only play one PF at a time. 

Pulling off a trade for Smith would be difficult with the $74 mil hard cap though.

It would have to be something like Green, Lee and Sullinger to make the dollars close.

If we resign Pietrus, I'd be pretty happy with the following rotation:

Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Pietrus
Smith/Bass
KG/Wilcox

Smith alone will give the same production as the three would give us. As better as he is compare to the three, for the same production and money, I'd rather have the depth.

Oh, and he chucks a lot of questionable shots too, I'll pass.

[Fafnir]

Smith alone will give the same production as the three would give us. As better as he is compare to the three, for the same production and money, I'd rather have the depth.

Oh, and he chucks a lot of questionable shots too, I'll pass.

No he'd give more production. Not one of those players can give the same level of quality play per minute that Josh Smith can. Maybe if you add up 48 minutes of those three they'd equal Smith's stats, but he'd get them in the mid 30 minutes.

[MJohnnyboy]

Seriously people. Why are we proposing trades when we look deeper than we've ever been before? We are fine where we are!

Your best players, aka starters, are far more important than your depth.

Besides having a high minute, high level PF, eliminates much of the need for so much "depth".

Really? We need more star power? How bout better chemistry? Didn't the 2011 Mavericks or the 2012 Celtics prove to you that you don't need too much star power to win? You just need chemistry. Bradley and Bass work better with the team as role players. Smith is immature and chucks up shots he shouldn't. Not exactly a guy I would want. I agree Smith is better than Bass or Green, but if those guys are playing really well then what's the point of getting rid of a good thing for a guy whose maturity issues have been noted in the league?

[Who]

Does the team have any expiring contracts? Or are they all 3-4 year deals?

If Josh Smith were to go cheap, I think the ideal package would be expirings + draft pick(s) ... given the way Atlanta have looked to blow up and rebuild their team this summer. I imagine they'd be quite reluctant to take back significant multi-year contracts given to role players. Unless Atlanta falls in love with Sullinger and/or Bradley, I doubt they'll be able to land J.Smith.

[KGs Knee]

Just remember though, the C's have a 74m hard cap this season.

While we can take on 125% +1k of outgoing salary, the trade must leave us under 74m.

It won't be easy to match salaries, keep a full roster & stay under the cap.

If we use the BAE, it will be almost impossible, without sending out Green.

Bass/Sullinger/Lee would probably work, but it'd be awfully close.