Ray walking a true blessing in disguise

[ManUp]

Ray Allen is still better than Courtney Lee. So let's stop the Courtney is better nonsense. I do however agree that Ray leaving will end up a blessing in disguise. Doc will have one less guy to force feeds shots and Rondo one less former allstar to keep happy. I expect better ball movement and smarter rotations. No more "he's 1-10, but those are his shots" nights or "Pietrus is playing better, but he's RAY ALLEN" at the end of games.

still gonna get those 6-22 nights from Pierce though

Better than a combine 7-32 and at least that 6-22 from pierce comes with an 8-11 from the free throw line.

[Django]

"Dont put your faith in my heart I'll only let you down...Dont let your love grow too deep I dont think I'll be around....Until we both are ghosts I'll miss you like a friend......but they'll never take the good years..there are some that never burn"..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XbKeVQOGzA

[rayallen1934]

Ray Allen is still better than Courtney Lee. So let's stop the Courtney is better nonsense. I do however agree that Ray leaving will end up a blessing in disguise. Doc will have one less guy to force feeds shots and Rondo one less former allstar to keep happy. I expect better ball movement and smarter rotations. No more "he's 1-10, but those are his shots" nights or "Pietrus is playing better, but he's RAY ALLEN" at the end of games.

still gonna get those 6-22 nights from Pierce though

Better than a combine 7-32 and at least that 6-22 from pierce comes with an 8-11 from the free throw line.

he went from 49% to this 45% , and hes 35.....get ready for the decline.

[kp4000]

Ray Allen is still better than Courtney Lee. So let's stop the Courtney is better nonsense. I do however agree that Ray leaving will end up a blessing in disguise. Doc will have one less guy to force feeds shots and Rondo one less former allstar to keep happy. I expect better ball movement and smarter rotations. No more "he's 1-10, but those are his shots" nights or "Pietrus is playing better, but he's RAY ALLEN" at the end of games.

I guess you're still bitter about Ray's departure. So I'm I, but I have to be realistic at some point about, Ray. Overall of course, Ray Allen would be considered better, because he's a hall of famer and nothing will change that. But at this stage, Lee is a better player, because he can do more than, Ray.

Ray Allen at this stage of his career is just a up shooter that comes off screen. He can't defend, jump or rebound. Ray can no longer slash, beat off the dribble, create shots and etc. 
 

[rayallen1934]

Ray Allen is still better than Courtney Lee. So let's stop the Courtney is better nonsense. I do however agree that Ray leaving will end up a blessing in disguise. Doc will have one less guy to force feeds shots and Rondo one less former allstar to keep happy. I expect better ball movement and smarter rotations. No more "he's 1-10, but those are his shots" nights or "Pietrus is playing better, but he's RAY ALLEN" at the end of games.

I guess you're still bitter about Ray's departure. So I'm I, but I have to be realistic at some point about, Ray. Overall of course, Ray Allen would be considered better, because he's a hall of famer and nothing will change that. But at this stage, Lee is a better player, because he can do more than, Ray.

Ray Allen at this stage of his career is just a up shooter that comes off screen. He can't defend, jump or rebound. Ray can no longer slash, beat off the dribble, create shots and etc. 
 

This creating shots thing is a farce. Especially in this traditional offense the celtics run.


Yea Courtney can really rebound. 2.7 rebounds per game in his career. 

Ray Allen averaged 3.1 this year and is 37 LOL. Career is 4.1


Courtney lee shoots almost as much 3's as Ray, and Ray does that better by 5%

Clutch....lets not go there...

You act as If Ray cant get his midrange game going, he might not drive as much but he can still get a 15 foot jumper...which is almost better than Rondo's layup percentage

[Interceptor]

Yea Courtney can really rebound. 2.7 rebounds per game in his career. 

Ray Allen averaged 3.1 this year and is 37 LOL. Career is 4.1

Allen played more minutes. When they are on the floor, both got around 5.2-5.3% of available rebounds. Judas only slightly better.

Courtney lee shoots almost as much 3's as Ray, and Ray does that better by 5%

True. Let's see what happens when Rondo gives Lee the same open looks that he gave Allen. At any rate, 40% 3P is really good.

[rayallen1934]

Yea Courtney can really rebound. 2.7 rebounds per game in his career. 

Ray Allen averaged 3.1 this year and is 37 LOL. Career is 4.1

Allen played more minutes. When they are on the floor, both got around 5.2-5.3% of available rebounds. Judas only slightly better.

Courtney lee shoots almost as much 3's as Ray, and Ray does that better by 5%

True. Let's see what happens when Rondo gives Lee the same open looks that he gave Allen. At any rate, 40% 3P is really good.

so you expect Lee to play the same type of offense as Ray

coming around screens and such. So the fans can complain again.

The offense wont change much im assuming by your thoughts, unless you want Courtney Lee to become a ball stopping shooting guard who needs 10 seconds+ to dribble and create, in which then Rondo becomes useless after he passes it.

If you think Courtney Lee will shoot better threes in this offense, i think your going to be wrong.

[j804]

Ray Allen is still better than Courtney Lee. So let's stop the Courtney is better nonsense. I do however agree that Ray leaving will end up a blessing in disguise. Doc will have one less guy to force feeds shots and Rondo one less former allstar to keep happy. I expect better ball movement and smarter rotations. No more "he's 1-10, but those are his shots" nights or "Pietrus is playing better, but he's RAY ALLEN" at the end of games.

I think Lee is better for our team right now which is why I said we got younger and better. Ray is a hall of famer and one of the greats but at his age Lee is not far from what Ray brings, the added athleticism is a plus just my opinion

[Interceptor]

so you expect Lee to play the same type of offense as Ray

No, I don't expect Rondo to pound the ball at the top of the key for 15 seconds while he waits for some geriatric to get free. But if Lee is open, I expect Rondo to find him.

[fairweatherfan06]

Ray and Rondo were not an offensive match once Rondo developed his game.  Not Ray or Rondo's fault.  Courtney Lee is a different type of offensive player than Ray and should not be utilized in such a way.

[paintitgreen]

Ray is the better player. I'd rather have him than Lee for this year. But Ray didn't want to stay here, so that's that. Lee is a fantastic consolation prize, especially when combined with Terry. Wouldn't say right now it's a "blessing." But it was a loss to the team that was resolved and negated very effectively by other moves.

For me, the bigger problems from the Ray decision, which are not affected by the Lee acquisition, were (a) he made our top competition in the East better and (b) due to having to bring in Terry as a Ray replacement using the MLE, Boston couldn't use that MLE to go after a bigger body. Of course, maybe they would have just used the MLE on Lee if they hadn't used it on Terry so it could be that last point is entirely moot. Just remains to be seen how these issues will play out. I'm excited for it. Picking up Lee is another in a very good series of moves by Danny this offseason.

[wahz]

Ray is the better player. I'd rather have him than Lee for this year. But Ray didn't want to stay here, so that's that. Lee is a fantastic consolation prize, especially when combined with Terry. Wouldn't say right now it's a "blessing." But it was a loss to the team that was resolved and negated very effectively by other moves.

For me, the bigger problems from the Ray decision, which are not affected by the Lee acquisition, were (a) he made our top competition in the East better and (b) due to having to bring in Terry as a Ray replacement using the MLE, Boston couldn't use that MLE to go after a bigger body. Of course, maybe they would have just used the MLE on Lee if they hadn't used it on Terry so it could be that last point is entirely moot. Just remains to be seen how these issues will play out. I'm excited for it. Picking up Lee is another in a very good series of moves by Danny this offseason.

Given the roll Ray will play, which will be as replacement for Miller, Battier, and Jones minutes, who are all guys who can shoot the three, this just isn't going to make Miami a lot better. It will add depth, and when one of those old guys go down they won't miss the injured party because they will have Ray and Rashard and the gang. That is why it will help Miami, only in case of injury.

[TripleOT]

still gonna get those 6-22 nights from Pierce though

The whole idea of having all this firepower is for Pierce to not have to hoist up 22 shots a night. 

[fairweatherfan06]

still gonna get those 6-22 nights from Pierce though

The whole idea of having all this firepower is for Pierce to not have to hoist up 22 shots a night. 

That's the idea someone will need to tell the Captain that though 

[TripleOT]

Allen is one of the best shooters in league history.  There isn't anyone in the league available to Cs to be as good a shooter as Ray Allen.

Lee is a good shooter.  Stat wise, his career 44/39/83 is in the neighborhood of Allen's 45/40/89.  He's hasn't taken a ton of threes per game like Allen, but in Boston, with Rondo orchestrating, Lee will be able to shoot from his best spots on the  floor