knicks fans reactions on lin leaving and having an incompetent owner

[D.o.s.]

Is there any doubt Lin will light up Houston? He can do pretty much anything he wants. Doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I don't know if he lead them to the playoffs. But he will put up crazy number.

I don't know about that, but he'll have his shot.

yeah me too... i still have doubts that he can do that on a nightly basis. still think that just a lucky streak of games.

The question is - do what?

What is the expectation for an $8 million a year point guard?  This isn't a max contract or anything.

No, it's not a max contract. But "Linsanity" was lightning in a bottle from a marketing/business media perspective.

At this point I think the expectation is that he does for the rockets what Chris Paul did for the hornets. Unfortunately, I don't think Lin has the ability to be that guy. Being a starting-quality PG won't be enough, especially not in the Western Conference, playing against dudes like Nash, Rubio, Westbrook, and Lawson.

[StartOrien]

Is there any doubt Lin will light up Houston? He can do pretty much anything he wants. Doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I don't know if he lead them to the playoffs. But he will put up crazy number.

I don't know about that, but he'll have his shot.

yeah me too... i still have doubts that he can do that on a nightly basis. still think that just a lucky streak of games.

The question is - do what?

What is the expectation for an $8 million a year point guard?  This isn't a max contract or anything.

Exactly. I don't know why people are so against this contract. Put aside potential, and the business he immediately attracts. If he can competently run an offense, and continue to pass the ball pretty well isn't he close to earning that 8 million in itself? 8 million dollars is average money for a starting point guard.

At this point I think the expectation is that he does for the rockets what Chris Paul did for the hornets.

What are you basing this off of? I've seen absolutely nothing to support this.

[D.o.s.]

The fan/media reactions to Linsanity, his knee injury, and the outcry that followed the very idea that the Knicks wouldn't match the offer.


To my eyes, Linsanity has him poised to be a budget-friendly franchise savior. I'm not sure he can be consistently great enough to fulfill that role. I am sure Houston is going to sell a ton of Lin Jerseys.

[celtsfan84]

Is there any doubt Lin will light up Houston? He can do pretty much anything he wants. Doesn't have to share the ball with anyone. I don't know if he lead them to the playoffs. But he will put up crazy number.

I don't know about that, but he'll have his shot.

yeah me too... i still have doubts that he can do that on a nightly basis. still think that just a lucky streak of games.

The question is - do what?

What is the expectation for an $8 million a year point guard?  This isn't a max contract or anything.

No, it's not a max contract. But "Linsanity" was lightning in a bottle from a marketing/business media perspective.

At this point I think the expectation is that he does for the rockets what Chris Paul did for the hornets. Unfortunately, I don't think Lin has the ability to be that guy. Being a starting-quality PG won't be enough, especially not in the Western Conference, playing against dudes like Nash, Rubio, Westbrook, and Lawson.

That expectation is way off.

Chris Paul made $15 million in his last year as a Hornet.  Jeremy Lin is going to make $8 million a year as a Rocket.

Why does he have to play like a $15 million player to justify an $8 million salary?  Since when does a guy signing an $8 million a year contract mean he has to play like Chris Paul?

[D.o.s.]

I'm not saying he has to play like Chris Paul. He's got to keep the franchise relevant like Chris Paul did for the Hornets.

He's also not "a guy with an 8 million dollar contract." He's "Jeremy Lin, the world's most visible & valuable NBA player of Asian descent."

There's a vast difference between the two.

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

Absolutley hilarious.

Heres my favorite comment:

Pretty classless of you at a time like this
by Jetaime on Jul 17, 2012 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs
 
lol "at a time like this"
it ain’t 9/11 bro
by Knickerbockers on Jul 17, 2012 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

[Esther]

I think Rockets is a better place for Lin than Knicks.  Lin needs to develop his game and get used to playing at NBA level without the egos and dramas surrounding him in NYC.  But it's still a dumb move from Knicks.  We all know money shouldn't be an issue here.  If they had Lin, they will make back the money no question.  They are about to lose their new found fan base to Houston.  

[StartOrien]

I'm not saying he has to play like Chris Paul. He's got to keep the franchise relevant like Chris Paul did for the Hornets.

I'm going to ignore the second part of your point because I really don't want to perpetuate that point by any means.

BUT WHY. Does Goran Dragic have to keep the Suns relevant? Devin Harris? Mike Conley? Raymond Felton?

Take some time and scroll through the salaries of the league. Jeremy Lin is being paid the average amount for a starting point guard in the league. He doesn't have to be a basketball messiah for Houston. They're paying him to be an average point guard in this league. 2 million a year less than Mike Conley, 3 million more than Ramon Sessions. Average

Your expectations of what he needs to be is constructed by either media hype or some feeling that because he's Asian he NEEDS to be great, but they're not based on reality. Houston is paying him to be an average starting point guard in this league.  

[celtsfan84]

I'm not saying he has to play like Chris Paul. He's got to keep the franchise relevant like Chris Paul did for the Hornets.

He's also not "a guy with an 8 million dollar contract." He's "Jeremy Lin, the world's most visible & valuable NBA player of Asian descent."

There's a vast difference between the two.

That makes very little sense.

So are you saying he should be underpaid because he is in the media a lot?

[Moranis]

Best part of the story.  Houston cuts Lin in December and then pays him 25 million dollars in July.  Classic.

How is that classic?  Every GM makes mistakes.  I think working to correct it instead of letting ego get in the way is a good thing, not a bad thing.

How does a guy go from not even being good enough to make your team to that same team paying him 25 million dollars over 3 years?  I understand there are marketing dollars at play and Lin might very well be worth the contract from that end, but this is still the same player that the Rockets cut just before the season.  You don't improve that much in 2 months.  Either they made a terrible mistake (like a few other teams did as well) or Lin was a fluke that can't be sustained.  I'd lean much more heavily to a fluke, which is why I find it funny that Houston signed him. 

[D.o.s.]

I'm not saying he has to play like Chris Paul. He's got to keep the franchise relevant like Chris Paul did for the Hornets.

I'm going to ignore the second part of your point because I really don't want to perpetuate that point by any means.

BUT WHY. Does Goran Dragic have to keep the Suns relevant? Devin Harris? Mike Conley? Raymond Felton?

Take some time and scroll through the salaries of the league. Jeremy Lin is being paid the average amount for a starting point guard in the league. He doesn't have to be a basketball messiah for Houston. They're paying him to be an average point guard in this league. 2 million a year less than Mike Conley, 3 million more than Ramon Sessions. Average

Your expectations of what he needs to be is constructed by either media hype or some feeling that because he's Asian he NEEDS to be great, but they're not based on reality. Houston is paying him to be an average starting point guard in this league.  

I think that the media hype definitely plays into how he is expected to perform in the league.

If you want to keep Jeremy Lin, the media phenomenon, out of the discussion and stay strictly with a performance-to-salary ratio, well, that's your prerogative.

I'd just add that, IMO, more people have paid to see Jeremy Lin (specifically) play basketball than Felton, Dragic, Sessions, or the other PG's who get paid similarly to him.

From a marketing standpoint, Lin's contract is a steal, but because he's in the public eye of the NBA, the expectation for his game is going to be elevated beyond his pay rate. That's my take on the situation.

And, as always, I might be wrong.

Not to mention, I love the fact that he's in the West now. One less bump in the journey to Banner 18.

[Celts Fan 92]

yall should see Lin's facebook page knicks fans lashed out on dude like crazy lol

[LooseCannon]

The Knicks were screwed as a team when they traded for Camelo Anthony.  This is relatively minor.

[wdleehi]

1)  Lin only put up numbers when there was no one else out there.  He wasn't the same player once Melo was back.  Melo is not leaving

2)  The Knicks went the overpayed super bloated payroll route before.  It took them a decade to dig out of it.  

3)  The Knicks made a basketball decision, not a make money decision.  Isn't that what fans want from a team?

Lets be honest, if the Knicks win, they will make the money.

And if they win with Lin, they would make more money.  Which is what makes this decision stupid.

They could trade Carmelo to Sacramento for nothing and still make money.  They are the Knicks.  It wouldn't make that decision smart.

Can you point to when Lin, Melo and Amare worked together? 



I can point to a time when Felton and Amare worked together. 

[StartOrien]

Can you point to when Lin, Melo and Amare worked together? 



I can point to a time when Felton and Amare worked together. 

Amare Stoudemire last year and this year were physically two completely different players.

And what's the sample size on Lin playing alonside Melo?