three-way trade involving terry and calderon?

[Lucky17]

So we do or don't want the Mavs to take Scola?

That's a good question.

If they miss out on Scola, they'll have more cap space to work with.

On the other hand, perhaps they'd be less interested in picking up Calderon too. I think Calderon was linked to Houston earlier this offseason, as he'd said he'd like to play with Scola (before the Rockets amnestied him), IIRC.

Let's just remain optimistic that whatever happens, Dallas will be interested in some kind of trade.

[KGs Knee]

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I think if Dallas sent out Vince Carter in such a deal, it could work. How ironic would it be to send Carter back to Toronto?

Dallas trades Vince Carter and Jason Terry (S&T), receives Jose Calderon
Boston trades JaJuan Johnson, Sean Williams, E'Twaun Moore, receives Jason Terry
Toronto trades Jose Calderon, receives Vince Carter, JaJuan Johnson, Sean Williams, and E'Twaun Moore.

I suspect Toronto would also get some cash, from Boston and/or Dallas, to cover some salaries. Of the players the Raptors would receive, only Johnson's contract is fully guaranteed; the others could be cut for some payroll savings/cap space.

The only problem with this proposed trade is the most Terry could be paid under this scenario is 4.3m.  The MLE is 5m.  Does Terry really have any interest in taking the pay cut?

[KGs Knee]

It does seem that Terry has, in fact, been renounced.  I still haven't seen any official report on this, but judging by Dallas' cap numbers, in order to make a bid on Scola they would have to have renounced Terry.

Still, Dallas renouncing Terry does not prevent them from sending him out in a S&T.  It's just that now in order to do so, they must still be under the cap after completing the trade.  This likely isn't a problem though, since Dallas didn't really want to take on any additional salary anyway.

We'll still need to find a 3rd team to take on the players we'd be sending out, and still need to come up with approx. 3.3m of salary to send out in order to get to the 5m the MLE is worth.  This likely makes Dooling the only realistic possibility, and I still have no idea whether he is interested in participating.

I'm beginning to think the possibility of any S&T for Terry happening is not likely.

[j804]

Heres some news on the Mavs thinking reported late last night regarding Scola:

As of Saturday night, a Mavericks source said the franchise is leaning strongly toward submitting a bid on Sunday for amnestied former Rockets forward Luis Scola.

The source added, however, that the Mavericks expect other teams’ bids to be higher than the one they would submit.

Unlike Elton Brand, whom the Mavericks claimed Friday with a bid of $2.1 million on his one-year contract, Scola bidders would have to bid at least $3.3 million for the 2012-13 season and at least $10 million spread over three years. That would cover the non-guaranteed portion of Scola’s contract, as required under the amnesty rules.

Houston must pay Scola the $20.6 million he’s guaranteed for 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

The Mavericks are about $4 million under the salary cap, though they could create more room if necessary by waiving a player currently on the roster and spreading the salary cap hit over three years.

The Mavericks, however, are comfortable with their new center-power forward rotation of Chris Kaman at starting center and Dirk Nowitzki and power forward, Elton Brand backing up both positions and Shawn Marion playing power forward minutes in addition to small forward.

Getting Scola not only would be a bonus for next season’s roster, but a valuable asset for potential trades.

The Mavericks and other teams under the salary cap have until 4 p.m. (Central time) Sunday to submit bids for Scola. The winning bid will be known shortly thereafter.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/07/mavericks-plan-to-bid-but-not-optimistic-of-landing-luis-scola.html/

[Josh88]

I doubt the Mavs are very interested in Calderon after acquiring Collison from the Pacers.

[samjones]

Scola to the Suns.

[j804]

Scola to the Suns.

So I wonder what this means for us....anything new to report guys?

[Lucky17]

Mike Fisher continues to bang the drum:

mike fisher ‏@fishsports

Execs r working in the lab at ‪#Mavs‬ HQ. Makes us wonder abt Jet, Calderon, ‪#Celtics‬ ‪#Raptors‬ trade http://bit.ly/MAdVmH

I think he's just bumping his earlier thoughts about this long-rumored 3-team deal.

However, Toronto did make a trade today, sending out James Johnson to Sacramento for a 2nd rounder.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/16/james-johnsons-time-with-toronto-raptors-close-to-end

What's interesting is that Johnson's salary is an almost exact match to that of Dahntay Jones, recently acquired by Dallas. Assuming that the Raptors are over the cap with the signings of Landry Fields and Jonas Valanciunas, this means that the Raptors now have a TE that they could use to take Jones off the Mavs' hands in a Calderon deal.

So, a revised idea:

Dallas trades Dahntay Jones and Jason Terry (S&T), receives Jose Calderon
Boston trades Keyon Dooling (S&T), Sean Williams, E'Twaun Moore, receives Jason Terry
Toronto trades Jose Calderon, receives Keyon Dooling, Dahntay Jones, Sean Williams, and E'Twaun Moore

Some notes:

1. Jones was already traded earlier this offseason, and cannot be combined with other players in a follow-up deal. He could, however, be sent out by himself to Toronto (absorbed by the Raps' TE) in the first part of this deal. I believe this would get the Mavs sufficiently under the cap to absorb Calderon's salary in exchange for a signed-and-traded Terry. If more salary needs to be cleared, Dallas could re-include Vince Carter and his partially guaranteed deal.

2. As KGs Knee points out, the earlier scenario I proposed would require a slight pay cut for Terry. I've subbed a signed-and-traded Keyon Dooling in for JJJ in this new scenario, to allow Terry to get a salary starting at the full MLE level. Dooling would have only one of his three-year deal be fully guaranteed, and he'd be an able veteran backup behind Kyle Lowry.

Cash and possibly some draft picks would also figure in to grease the wheels.

Not 100% on this, but I think it could work.

[Kane3387]

Good post lucky. I also think both Toronto and especially Dallas could have interest in pietrus. A big wing with some athleticism who can shoot and more importantly defend.

By moving jones Dallas has no wing who can defend the more athletic shooting guards with size. Delonte and Marion can some but guys like Kobe, rudy gay, durant, etc. will give them issues.

[celticinorlando]

well this has to get done for the Cs. It would allow boston freedom to get a legit starter at the 2....hoping Lee

[heitingas]

Dallas need to send out more than 4 million additional salary to stay under the cap, Dahntay isn't enough.

And they won't give up both VC and Dahntay.

Beaubois,Jones and Wright has to go as well because Calderon makes more than 11 million.

Boston could take Wright but he is guaranteed now, Jones and Beaubois to Raptors.

[Lucky17]

Dallas need to send out more than 4 million additional salary to stay under the cap, Dahntay isn't enough.

And they won't give up both VC and Dahntay.

Beaubois,Jones and Wright has to go as well because Calderon makes more than 11 million.

Boston could take Wright but he is guaranteed now, Jones and Beaubois to Raptors.

Hmmm. I get a different number. Less Jones' salary, but including Wright's, the Mavs should have roughly $8.5 million in cap room. Unless there is additional unaccounted-for salary on their books? I don't think they've signed any of their rookies yet.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

So by my count, another $2 mil in salary needs to head out of Dallas, along with Terry. Edit: Bump that up to $3 million, to account for Calderon's 10% trade kicker. I believe Carter's salary should make up the difference.

Why wouldn't Dallas trade Vince Carter? His partially guaranteed salary is an attractive trade chip.

[Kane3387]

If teams are under the tax can't they not add five mill in a trade. Thus trade a guy making three million for a guy making 8 mill? If both teams are under the tax I thought this could happen.

[j804]

This needs to get done, it is pretty much our only hope at landing another impact player right? This is the last shoe to fall and our offseason is a wrap. Well have the MLE to fill SG position, use vet min or BAE on a big, and fill remaining roster wth Summer League guys Joseph etc

[JSD]

Please edit this title and add "trade" to it.

Tp. I just spit my drink out