Would you trade Rondo for Bynum & Nash?

[BballTim]

I cant believe this thread is still going. I am probably one of the biggest Rondo suppoerters on the board and I continually bash and put down bad trade involving Rondo and would keep him for anything.....

With that being said, come on. There is no way that you dont accept this deal. Nash and Bynum for Rondo is a complete no brainer. I mean which lineup is better....

Rondo                           Nash
Bradley                          Bradley
Pierce                            Pierce
Bass                              Garnett
Garnett                          Bynum
6th Terry                       6th Terry
7th Green                      7th Green
8th Wilcox                     8th Bass

Its an absolute no brainer... Yes you give up a point guard of our future... But we still get three years of championship contending ball plus a big man for the future.

  You're about $12M short on your outgoing trade assets.

The thread says nothing about a plausible situation where this would actually happen and get numbers involved... The thread asks a simple question. Would you trade Rondo for Nash and Bynum. The answer has to be yes. Would it or could it happen? Absoilutely not, 1) cap reasons as you suggest and 2) the Lakers wouldnt be dumb enough to pursue it. But thats not the question at hand.

  "Just for kicks and giggles . . .

I've always loved Nash's game and thought he'd be a perfect Celtic.

He's 200 years old but can still play at a high level.

I'd seriously think about moving Rondo and whatever filler is needed for Nash & Bynum. "



  You need "whatever filler is needed".

[BballTim]

I sometimes wonder how we don't win the championship every single season when our point guard is worth more than

1) the best offensive point guard in basketball and
2) the second best center in basketball

combined.

The rest of our roster must be pretty awful.

  Nash was the best offensive point guard in the league about 4-5 years ago. We'd be getting him next year. Bynum's such a superstar that he can barely get a team with Kobe and Gasol out of the first round.

I can only assume you haven't seen Nash play in 4-5 seasons and you are just making guesses based on his age.

If you nitpick all the bad things about Bynum and Nash and cherrypick all the good things about Rondo, of course the trade looks uneven.  And the same works the other way around.  The middle ground, objectivity, heavily favors Nash and Bynum.

  You'd assume wrong. And the middle ground, objectivity, is well aware that Nash is on the decline and playing fewer minutes as well and realizes what that can mean for a 38 or so year old player.

Just curious, who do you rate as the best offensive PG in basketball?

And where does Nash fall to in the rankings?

  I think it's somewhat fluid, but probably Paul at the top, then Deron/Rondo (playoff Rondo...) then Rose/Nash then Westbrook.

[scottwedman]

  "Just for kicks and giggles . . .

I've always loved Nash's game and thought he'd be a perfect Celtic.

He's 200 years old but can still play at a high level.

I'd seriously think about moving Rondo and whatever filler is needed for Nash & Bynum. "



  You need "whatever filler is needed".

I'm not Mr.-CBA-Trade-Machine-Expert, but I see other teams making moves and being creative.

Assuming we bring in Bynum and Nash at $25 million, we have to send out something like $20 million to make the deal.

Rondo makes $11 million.  If said "filler" is Brandon Bass ($7 million) and Steamer or Hollins or Daniels in a sign-and-trade, is that too much?

Nash
Terry
Pierce
KG
Bynum
---------
Bradley
Green
Wilcox

I'D ROLL WITH THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

Miami beat us by going small and we didn't have the size up front to punish them for doing so.  With a KG/Bynum front court, that won't happen.

I know the concerns about Bynum's health/attitude, but it's not like there weren't concerns about Rondo's attitude and Nash's ability as a shooter as well as a play maker means we don't have to keep the other team in the 70s to win.

Also, I'd prefer KG to avoid the taking the pounding at C.

But, it's all for kicks and giggles. 

[celtsfan84]

  "Just for kicks and giggles . . .

I've always loved Nash's game and thought he'd be a perfect Celtic.

He's 200 years old but can still play at a high level.

I'd seriously think about moving Rondo and whatever filler is needed for Nash & Bynum. "



  You need "whatever filler is needed".

I'm not Mr.-CBA-Trade-Machine-Expert, but I see other teams making moves and being creative.

Assuming we bring in Bynum and Nash at $25 million, we have to send out something like $20 million to make the deal.

Rondo makes $11 million.  If said "filler" is Brandon Bass ($7 million) and Steamer or Hollins or Daniels in a sign-and-trade, is that too much?

Nash
Terry
Pierce
KG
Bynum
---------
Bradley
Green
Wilcox

I'D ROLL WITH THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

Miami beat us by going small and we didn't have the size up front to punish them for doing so.  With a KG/Bynum front court, that won't happen.

I know the concerns about Bynum's health/attitude, but it's not like there weren't concerns about Rondo's attitude and Nash's ability as a shooter as well as a play maker means we don't have to keep the other team in the 70s to win.

Also, I'd prefer KG to avoid the taking the pounding at C.

But, it's all for kicks and giggles. 

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Not going into brutal offensive stretches like we had against Atlanta and Philadelphia would be nice.  Let's remember that we barely snuck by a pretty awful 76ers team.

Being able to secure a rebound would also be nice.  The Lakers were the second best rebounding team in the league, the best defensive rebounding team in the league.  Adding a 7'2 elite rebounder might help that as well.

[Galeto]

The Lakers wouldn't do this deal.  Nash is still playing at an extremely high level.  It's debatable whether Rondo is even better than him.  If he is, it's not by the amount of the second best center in the game.

Celtics would be crazy not to do this deal.  The combined on court value of Bynum and Nash dwarfs Rondo's.  It's not even close.

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

Nash and Bynum are not worth giving up Rondo for.. I'm sorry guys.. Rondo for 7-8 years.. or Nash for 2? MAYBE 3.. and 3's really a stretch..

I understand that "oh he's old but, his team is unathletic and they still had a fast pace offense blah blah blah"  This has more to do with the type of offense that they run "which is shoot as early as possible" than it has to do with Nash.. 

He can't stay in front of Derek Fisher.  If you're still in the NBA and you can't stay in front of Derek Fisher.. then I want no parts of you in my team's future.. Sorry, but that is fact.  Nash.. cannot.. guard.. Derek Fisher..

And I have very little to say about Bynum besides the fact he made Javale McGee look like an All Star... I really dont think Bynum even likes playing basketball, he's a waste of size and physical gifts..

So I'll keep the best PG in the NBA (arguably) thanks..

[celtsfan84]

Nash and Bynum are not worth giving up Rondo for.. I'm sorry guys.. Rondo for 7-8 years.. or Nash for 2? MAYBE 3.. and 3's really a stretch..

I understand that "oh he's old but, his team is unathletic and they still had a fast pace offense blah blah blah"  This has more to do with the type of offense that they run "which is shoot as early as possible" than it has to do with Nash..  

He can't stay in front of Derek Fisher.  If you're still in the NBA and you can't stay in front of Derek Fisher.. then I want no parts of you in my team's future.. Sorry, but that is fact.  Nash.. cannot.. guard.. Derek Fisher..

And I have very little to say about Bynum besides the fact he made Javale McGee look like an All Star... I really dont think Bynum even likes playing basketball, he's a waste of size and physical gifts..

So I'll keep the best PG in the NBA (arguably) thanks..

This must be a video game or something that you are talking about.  Look up Derek Fisher's numbers against the Suns.  They are no better than his numbers against anyone else.  When specifically did Steve Nash have trouble guarding Derek Fisher, or are you just making this up?  Do you have any evidence at all to prove this fact?  After all, facts can be proven.

And if you truly think Javale McGee is a better player than Andrew Bynum, you have made my counterpoint for me.  This might be the most "I'm a Celtics fan and therefore every Laker sucks" post I've ever read.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  If you prefer Rondo over Nash and Bynum, fine.  But to make up "facts" about Derek Fisher torching Nash and Javale McGee being better than Bynum nullifies your entire post.

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

Nash and Bynum are not worth giving up Rondo for.. I'm sorry guys.. Rondo for 7-8 years.. or Nash for 2? MAYBE 3.. and 3's really a stretch..

I understand that "oh he's old but, his team is unathletic and they still had a fast pace offense blah blah blah"  This has more to do with the type of offense that they run "which is shoot as early as possible" than it has to do with Nash..  

He can't stay in front of Derek Fisher.  If you're still in the NBA and you can't stay in front of Derek Fisher.. then I want no parts of you in my team's future.. Sorry, but that is fact.  Nash.. cannot.. guard.. Derek Fisher..

And I have very little to say about Bynum besides the fact he made Javale McGee look like an All Star... I really dont think Bynum even likes playing basketball, he's a waste of size and physical gifts..

So I'll keep the best PG in the NBA (arguably) thanks..

This must be a video game or something that you are talking about.  Look up Derek Fisher's numbers against the Suns.  They are no better than his numbers against anyone else.  When specifically did Steve Nash have trouble guarding Derek Fisher, or are you just making this up?  Do you have any evidence at all to prove this fact?  After all, facts can be proven.

And if you truly think Javale McGee is a better player than Andrew Bynum, you have made my counterpoint for me.  This might be the most "I'm a Celtics fan and therefore every Laker sucks" post I've ever read.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  If you prefer Rondo over Nash and Bynum, fine.  But to make up "facts" about Derek Fisher torching Nash and Javale McGee being better than Bynum nullifies your entire post.

Lol.. First of all, sir, you sound like a Lawyer. Second of all, I never said McGee was better than Bynum as he clearly is not.  But if you watched the Lakers vs Nuggets playoff series, McGee came off the bench and played extremely well against Bynum, to everyone's surprise..

To Bynum's credit, he put up really good stats in that series, but too often did his play seem disinterested despite his physical advatange and having better skills then all of Denver's big men.. Towards the end of the series, as McGee's minutes increased, Bynum's production decreased a bit and McGee was able to have some monster games including 16 pts 15 rbds 2 asts 2 stls 3 blks 1 to on 8/12 shooting in game 3 (All-Star like if you will).  And 21 and 14 in game 5.

Again not saying McGee is better than Bynum, but Javale gave him a run for his money..

Now on to Nash and his complete inability to stay with any pg in the NBA, including the fossil of Fishersaurus.  This should be a fact by now.  And it doesnt matter if Fisher didn't "torch" Nash stat wise, but if Derek Fisher is easily getting into the paint against Nash and creating havoc (you can research the video tape evidence for yourself), what happens when Nash has to go up against the likes of Rose, Westbrook, Rondo.  Nash was never known for his defense.  He is older now, and slower, which only strengthens my case, and weakens yours.

Your move celtsfan84.