Danny Ainge "I feel like Ray left us to go to Miami"

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Danny is trying to full us around. He tried 2 tyears in a row, to trade Ray. So, Danny was not interested on Ray anymore. And tgis is the true story

It's Danny's job to find out if other teams' interest in his assets can improve the Celtics--and he was merely doing his job.

Part of the deal for basketball players like Ray getting, gulp, over $10M a year is they know that for the good of the business they are vulnerable for trades.

Ultimately, of course, it was Ray, not Danny, who uprooted his family.

[eugen]

Danny is trying to full us around. He tried 2 tyears in a row, to trade Ray. So, Danny was not interested on Ray anymore. And tgis is the true story

It's Danny's job to find out if other teams' interest in his assets can improve the Celtics--and he was merely doing his job.

Part of the deal for basketball players like Ray getting, gulp, over $10M a year is they know that for the good of the business they are vulnerable for trades.

Ultimately, of course, it was Ray, not Danny, who uprooted his family.

No. You did not got my point. If you are trying 2 years in row to trade somebody, there is no way to regret why he(Ray) went to other team. Is logic.

[BballTim]

Danny is trying to full us around. He tried 2 tyears in a row, to trade Ray. So, Danny was not interested on Ray anymore. And tgis is the true story

  I dont't know that I'd agree completely that Danny's not interested in Ray anymore. He'd rather have other players than Ray, but he'd rather have Ray than nothing.

[RJ87]

Danny is trying to full us around. He tried 2 tyears in a row, to trade Ray. So, Danny was not interested on Ray anymore. And tgis is the true story

It's Danny's job to find out if other teams' interest in his assets can improve the Celtics--and he was merely doing his job.

Part of the deal for basketball players like Ray getting, gulp, over $10M a year is they know that for the good of the business they are vulnerable for trades.

Ultimately, of course, it was Ray, not Danny, who uprooted his family.

No. You did not got my point. If you are trying 2 years in row to trade somebody, there is no way to regret why he(Ray) went to other team. Is logic.

Danny tried to tried Rajon in 2009 for Tyreke Evans, and again in 2011 for Chris Paul. There was also a rumor that he tried to tried Paul Pierce to the Nets for a package similar to the one they traded for Gerald Wallace.

Being shopped and traded is part of the business these guys signed up for. Some, apparently, handle it better than others.

[cman88]

Ray ultimately looks like abit of a baby and a diva...just read his interview about how he was upset he didnt get enough "shots" with the celtics, or that KG was put as a priority over him, or that Doc put bradley in the starting lineup over him.

and im tired of the "ray was dangled in trades!" he was, but its part of the business...so was Pierce and Rondo

ainge offered him a no-trade clause and twice as much as Miami...rays leaving goes deeper than that.


either way im ready to move on from Ray allen....I dont think him leaving us hurts us as much as it makes our rival-Miami better.

dare I say it, for what we want to do Jason Terry is better for us than allen...hes ok with taking the 6th man role Ray hated...and letting Bradley start, he can drive to the hoop and also create his own shot(something ray cant do)

for me, being upset with Ray is not soo much THAT he left, its HOW he left.

[indeedproceed]

and im tired of the "ray was dangled in trades!" he was, but its part of the business...so was Pierce and Rondo

ainge offered him a no-trade clause and twice as much as Miami...rays leaving goes deeper than that.

So if its 'just a business', and you're okay with what the Celtics did regarding Ray during the '12 season (I am), how is it different if Ray wasn't okay with being treated that way and wanted to go to a new employer? Isn't that just as much 'just business'?

Seems like a double standard.

[Interceptor]

So if its 'just a business', and you're okay with what the Celtics did regarding Ray during the '12 season (I am), how is it different if Ray wasn't okay with being treated that way and wanted to go to a new employer? Isn't that just as much 'just business'?

Nope. It was personal.

[indeedproceed]

So if its 'just a business', and you're okay with what the Celtics did regarding Ray during the '12 season (I am), how is it different if Ray wasn't okay with being treated that way and wanted to go to a new employer? Isn't that just as much 'just business'?

Nope. It was personal.

Its a double standard.

[BballTim]

So if its 'just a business', and you're okay with what the Celtics did regarding Ray during the '12 season (I am), how is it different if Ray wasn't okay with being treated that way and wanted to go to a new employer? Isn't that just as much 'just business'?

Nope. It was personal.

Its a double standard.

  I'm sure it depends on the definition. Ray took Danny's impersonal treatment personally.

[Interceptor]

Its a double standard.

It's apples and oranges. There's not a whiff of Ainge trying to trade Ray because he didn't like his face (Ray had the most tradeable contract), and Ray's conduct this offseason can't be defended as "just business".

Where is the double standard?

[RJ87]

So if its 'just a business', and you're okay with what the Celtics did regarding Ray during the '12 season (I am), how is it different if Ray wasn't okay with being treated that way and wanted to go to a new employer? Isn't that just as much 'just business'?

Nope. It was personal.

Its a double standard.

  I'm sure it depends on the definition. Ray took Danny's impersonal treatment personally.

Here's how I see the difference: Danny was shopping Ray (and other players) to see if he could better the team. That's his job. He wasn't shopping Ray because he didn't like Ray and wanted Ray gone, almost all of the scenarios we've heard over the past few years involving Ray would've brought back a talented, younger player. These are the type of trades Danny should've been looking for and if he wasn't, the team shouldn't be paying him.

Did Ray go to Miami because it was the best business decision? When you consider that he asked the Celtics for a 3 year contract worth $27m, and we offered him 2 years worth $12 million, and he left to go to Miami for a total of $9m over 3 seasons, he left money on the table. Is he going to start in Miami? Not over Dwyane Wade. So he didn't go to Miami because he would've been given a starting job.

Ray's decision just seems far more personal because he a.) went to the team that eliminated us the past 2 seasons. b.) will still play in a reserve role for them just as he would have in Boston. c.) did so for less money than we were offering him - and literally a third of what he demanded from us.

[Celtics18]

So if its 'just a business', and you're okay with what the Celtics did regarding Ray during the '12 season (I am), how is it different if Ray wasn't okay with being treated that way and wanted to go to a new employer? Isn't that just as much 'just business'?

Nope. It was personal.

Its a double standard.

From my perspective as a fan,  I'm going to admit to having a bit of a double standard on this.  It's Danny Ainge's job to continuously be wheeling and dealing with the players that we come to love on the court.  I think I probably dislike that aspect of the sport more than most around here.  But, unfortunately, I understand that this is Ainge's job, and if he was just sitting still, saying, "I love all these guys. None of them are going anywhere, ever"  that he probably wouldn't have his job for very long.

Ray Allen's job, on the other hand, is to be a basketball player.  It's a very different job.  His job is to put on the jersey and go out and compete and fight with his teammates.  I always hope that these guys develop a relationship on the court that gives them a kind of bond that Danny Ainge, the guy in the suit doing the wheeling and dealing, can't and shouldn't have with the players.

Maybe that's naiive.  I don't know, but I feel like Ray Allen turned his back on his teammates and the coaching staff.  To me, it's not really about his relationship with upper management or even us fans.  

He left the guys.  It's as simple as that for me.  And now he's no longer one of them.

[indeedproceed]

Its a double standard.

It's apples and oranges. There's not a whiff of Ainge trying to trade Ray because he didn't like his face (Ray had the most tradeable contract), and Ray's conduct this offseason can't be defended as "just business".

Where is the double standard?

Why is deciding to leave your old job because you didn't get along with one of your co-workers and didn't like the way your bosses treated you more personal than taking an employee who had put down roots in your town and your community, and invested everything he had in your team, and trading him, then demoting him?

I'm not mad at Danny or the Celtics for the way they handled Ray. I'm also not mad at Ray or taking what he did personally as a fan. He was the most expendable of the Celtics' cornerstones. The Celtics treated him like it, and he went somewhere that made him feel more wanted.

[RJ87]

He was the most expendable of the Celtics' cornerstones. The Celtics treated him like it, and he went somewhere that made him feel more wanted.

Business vs. Personal in a nutshell.

Ray didn't leave because it was a better business decision. Miami wined & dined him, coddled him and he ate it up. He didn't leave Boston for more money or a bigger role.

[cman88]

I think it was more than 'just business" with ray leaving though...johnny damon went to the yankees because he was offered more money..its a no-brainer to see why he left.

ray was offered more money than the heat gave him, and even Wyc said a no-trade clause was on the table...so clearly being traded wasnt a fear Allen couldve had

Ray's leaving was because of his Ego plain and simple..I mean look at these quotes

"I’m looking at Miami and they’re so excited to have me come here and have an opportunity, and I didn’t sense the same excitement coming from that side of the equation.”

and

"ometimes it’s my own fault. Sometimes you have to step out and clear your own path and let it be known a little more. But I acquiesced so much, that at some point they said, ‘Ray will be all right. He’ll get his touches, or he’ll figure it out, we don’t have to worry about him,’ and at some point it was to my own detriment because at some point I didn’t create enough of a wave to let them know you have to speak for yourself"


boo hoo...poor ray allen..he wasnt treated like a superstar..